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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 11:13 AM
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Mort Zuckerman on MSNBC just now said that Joseph Wilson
said Saddam probably was seeking uranium for Niger after returning from his trip, but then contradicted himself.

Does anyone know where Zuckerman got that from?
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acmejack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 11:14 AM
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1. His ass.
Where do all these creeps get their material? They invent it.
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 11:15 AM
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2. Out of his ass?
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 11:15 AM
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3. i third the above comments.
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Zen Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 11:38 AM
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14. That was my immediate reaction as well --
perhaps the same ass that Woodward is spouting from.
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Kagemusha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 11:16 AM
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4. Probably from the senator re: the whitewash intel report
that mirrored the Brits' Butler Report and had a section that the Democrats participating in that report wouldn't sign off because it was unproven propaganda and slant.
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 11:20 AM
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7. It's too bad he's willing to buy into a report which the Democrats
studying the intelligence before the Iraq War thought was unproven.
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stopbush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 12:04 PM
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17. If we had any doubt at all, it's now abundantly clear that
Edited on Sat Oct-29-05 12:05 PM by stopbush
the whole reason the Rs on that committee put their shameful addenda onto that report AFTER THE DEMS HAD SIGNED OFF ON IT for one reason: so the RWNM could cite that lying section of the report to continue to discredit Joe Wilson.

Listen to any RW gasbag citing that report and they will go on and on over the bullshit the Rs threw in AFTER THE DEMS SIGNED OFF ON IT.

It's so shameful and disgusting that it boggles the mind.
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 11:16 AM
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5. Survey Says: "His Ass." nt
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 11:18 AM
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6. from a bugger in his nose?
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OldLeftieLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 11:20 AM
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8. I'd have to go with
"out of his ass".
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Chiyo-chichi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 11:23 AM
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9. from Scooter?
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newspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 11:31 AM
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10. Snow from FUX news was spinning on Bill Maher's show last night
Said it's all in the Senate Intelligence report--that Valerie Plame sent Joe Wilson to Nigeria and that he did find something. He kept saying "it's all in the Senate intelligence report." Bill Maher said, "I don't know about that, but you don't out a CIA agent." Then Snow stated that Valerie Plame was inactive for almost five years. I was yelling-bullshit at the TV. Then Snow said about Iraq, girls our now going to school, unlike when Saddam was there--and I was yelling, LIAR, LIAR, LIAR!!!! I swear, one of these days, I'm going to put my foot through the TV!!!!! So, now we know the FUX news spin, and man are they spinning. Some people I talk to know nothing about the Middle East, so what they hear on TV, they think is fact. I have informed some that women in Iraq under Saddam wore western style clothes, wore make-up, were educated and professionals, were allowed to vote, allowed to drive; unlike Saudi Arabia.
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bahrbearian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 11:35 AM
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13. Tony Snow was my answer to the question posted.
I had the same outrage, I couldn't believe they let him get away with it. They needed a Howard Dean or someone to counter the panel,(someone who can think and respond to those Liars) they let Snow get away with that shit.
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 11:38 AM
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15. "Then Snow said about Iraq, girls our now going to school"
Snow correctly assumes his listeners are morons with this business about girls finally getting to go to school. Girls have gone to school, college, and are doctors, professors, etc in Iraq. They don't get it that one reason Osama Bin Laden didn't like Saddam was that he was secular and women had mroe rights than in Saudi Arabia. I am sick of their sexist bullshit.
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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 12:38 PM
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20. Saddam's secularism was upsetting the Saudis who think that
since their forefather was rescued from exile in Kuwait and installed as the "King of the Arabs" in the 1930s that they should dominate the region.
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Chiyo-chichi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 12:10 PM
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18. That was horrendous.
It turned into the Tony Snow Show. Why can't Bill Maher read DU... or SOMETHING... so he can refute a talking point like "Plame sent Wilson to Niger."
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 11:32 AM
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11. Here is the report:
Edited on Sat Oct-29-05 11:33 AM by FLDem5
http://intelligence.senate.gov/iraqreport2.pdf

page 42

"the former Ambassador told Committee Staff that he met with the former Nigerian Prime Minister, the former Minister of Mines and Energy and other business contacts. At the end of his visit, he debriefed Ambassador Owens-Kirkpatrick (blacked out) Chad. He told Committee staff that he had told both U.S. Officials that he thought there was "nothing to the story." Ambassador Owens-Kirkpatrick told Committee staff that she recalled the former Ambassador saying, "he had reached the same conclusions that the Embassy had reached, that is was highly unlikely anything was going on."

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Oilwellian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 12:14 PM
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19. Actually, they refer to an addendum starting on page 451
The only ones who signed it were Bond, Hatch and Roberts...yet all of the talking heads speak as though the entire Senate Intel Cmte signed off on it. That is where the blatant lie comes into play. Also note, not all republicans on the Committee agreed with Bond, Hatch and Roberts.
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tularetom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 11:34 AM
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12. I've never heard that before
but nothing Mort Suckupman says can ever be taken seriously. Even McLaughlin and Buchanan laugh at him on the McLaughlin report and that fat wash times prick doesn't take him seriously either.
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Algorem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 12:00 PM
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16. I like to thinnk Zuckerman was the inspiration for the "Just Shoot Me" guy
played by George Segal,the aging jerky too-rich clown of a magazine owner.
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 12:44 PM
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21. it stems from his willful 'misreading' of the Senate Intel Committee, and
particularly, the addendum mentioned in a post within this thread

I started a thread on this

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x5215940

from the Larry Johnson link:

Are all rightwingers this stupid or is this guy just uniquely ignorant. You don't have to take my word for it, just read The Senate Intelligence Committee Report on the U.S. Intelligence Community's PreWar Intelligence Assessments on Iraq (July 2004), pages 43-47. However, you'll have to read carefully because the Republican staff who wrote this report tried their best to obfuscate and confuse the matter. These are the clear facts:

1. Prior to Joe Wilson's trip to Niger, most of the U.S. intelligence community (the CIA and State Department's INR) did not believe Iraq was trying to buy uraniusm from Niger. The intelligence community had received two intelligence reports from the same source (the Italian intelligence service)in the previous six months and did not find them credible.

2. Joe Wilson and the U.S. Ambassador to Niger both told the Senate investigators that they each concluded separately that there was nothing to the story that Iraq was trying to buy uranium, or could even do so, because of the local controls in place. (See p. 42 of the Senate report).

3. Joe Wilson returned from his Niger trip in March of 2002 and was debriefed by CIA officers on March 5. They in turn produced an intelligence report based on Ambassador Wilson's trip. He was not provided a chance to review or approve the report. The CIA's Directorate of Operations gave the report based on the Ambassador's debriefing a grade of good.

4. According to the Senate report, the results of Joe Wilson's trip to Niger were not shared with the Vice President because it did not provide any new information to clarify the issue.

In other words, the intelligence community discounted the notion that Iraq was trying to buy uranium from Niger. They continued to hold this position even in the now discredited October 2002 National Intelligence Estimate. Moreover, even though the British Government provided a "white paper" that seemed to bolster the claim that Iraq was trying to buy uranium in Africa, the intelligence analysts also dismissed the British paper as not credible. Senior CIA officials repeatedly briefed U.S. policymakers and legislators that there was no substance to the reports claiming that Iraq was up to no good in Africa.

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DearAbby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 12:51 PM
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22. Image of Ace Ventura talking out of his ass.....
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aint_no_life_nowhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 01:39 PM
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23. From a passing witch on a broom?
who bore a strange resemblance to Kate O'Beirne?
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