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davsand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 11:48 AM
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Fitz literally may have saved lives with yesterday's indictments.
I realized this morning that by actually bringing in an indictment yesterday on Libby, Fitz may well have done the one thing that guarantees that we won't be marching into Syria or Iran or anyplace else any time soon.

While I have little faith in our Congress, it would seem to me that there is not much chance that the current regime could walk into Congress and ask for authorization to invade anybody right now and not face a lot of scrutiny. They can wail and moan all they want to about nukes, WMD's, or even biologicals, but the bottom line is Congress will have to ask a lot of questions...

They can (and probably will) still use covert ops to muck about and try and provoke response from nations they want to target, but they can no longer walk into Congress and get a free pass on another invasion. People (including the obtuse Congressional members along with the media) are now expected to ask the questions they should have been asking all along.

Fitz may well have saved a lot of lives.




Laura
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 11:52 AM
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1. But Condi told Congress that Shrub doesn't need Cong. approval
to invade Syria or Iran. He already has their approval under the "authorization to fight terror!"

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thinkingwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 11:56 AM
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2. I'd almost love
to see them try to fly that balloon.

It won't fly. Not even with Repukes. They can read polls and they're all up for reelection in the House next year.
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Window Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 01:33 PM
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15. I agree 100%.
Although, they are so damned arrogant, ya never know with that group of misfits.



Peace
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 11:57 AM
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3. Unfortunately, I think Condi is technically correct.
But it doesn't mean that outcries of the public wouldn't prevent it.

With his popularity, it would have an effect in the US not unlike that of Nixon's decision to bomb targets in Cambodia. If you remember that led to Kent State an event that completely broke the back of already flagging support for the war in Vietnam.
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 12:19 PM
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6. The outcries against the Iraq war didn't stop it
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 12:24 PM
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9. True because Bush and the idea were popular
Bush and the idea are no longer popular, rather like Vietnam when Nixon in desperation ordered the bombing of Cambodia
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 12:32 PM
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11. Oh, we're one Pearl Harbor away from him becoming popular again
At least, that's the PNAC strategy.
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 12:33 PM
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12. Unfortunately, I think that's true too.
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 12:22 PM
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7. Can we depend on the current public to scream loud enough?
You're right about Vietnam and the Kent State triggr, BUT I believe a very BIG motivator back then was the draft. Young people were especially motivated to fight back because they had vew choices to get out of being sent to Nam. Now, there seems to be such a distance between the fighting soldiers and the general public of all ages, I really question if there would be enough of an outcry to make Congress and the Press really notice.
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 12:27 PM
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10. I think the scream will likely be very broad based.
And just as in the 70's it will be from across the globe.
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riderinthestorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 12:08 PM
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4. We're already in Syria., Iran too I bet
Make no mistake about it, that "war" has already started.
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davsand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 12:43 PM
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13. Just like it has in Venezuela and several other places.
I have no doubts what-so-ever that we have been sending mercs and black ops people into any place where there is oil to be had or vocal opposition to the current US regime. I think most people on here (I hope so, anyhow) realize that's going on. This is no damn different that Viet Nam when the pols kept saying we were not in Cambodia...

Fitz, however, just made sure it will stay limited in scope. That at least means that we aren't gonna be sending any poor, under-trained, ill-equipped Natl Guardsmen from Boo Foo rural America into situations like Iraq. They can't keep those poor kids anyplace for too long and it will save some lives.

Condi may have been saying they can do what they want--that they are "pre-authorized" (like this some kind of credit card offer to them!) but I think it is a form of whistling when you walk past a graveyard. They are just making noise to comfort themselves.



Laura
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 12:15 PM
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5. too little too late...* thinks he can do anything...cheney too..
and yesterday..they got more arrogant!!

condi already spit in cogresses eyes by saying * can go into any damn war he wants!

remember this congress spit on the constitution ( and in essence all of us) and signed away their rights...with the "terra " resolution!

yes condi pit in all our faces when she maginalized the congress a week ago!

fly

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enid602 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 12:23 PM
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8. agenda
We've lately seen Bush show uncharacteristic malleability with re: to his failure to veto appropriations bill despite rider banning torture, Brownie's reassignment, changing direction with re: to Bacon-Davis act as it applies to Katrina re-build, the whole Miers thing, etc. He hasn't been mentioning Social Security much, either. It appears that his once written-in-concrete agenda is beginning to melt.
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davsand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 01:33 PM
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14. He's been made a lame duck, no doubt.
He's going to have to retreat on some of his more aggressive agenda items. These indictments against Libby will have, effectively, limited the ability to nominate for the SCOTUS as well.

Maybe I should have said Fitz neutered the regime...


Laura
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