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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 02:15 PM
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Clearly, this case has more angles than a buckyball! (Dialup warning)
Friends,

I am posting this to enlist your assistance in helping to map the administration's scandal. To create a, a program, or a bill of players, if you will, that we may refer to following this case.

Think for a moment of this case as a carbon node on a buckyball. What's a Buckyball? Here's one:



Humanity is acquiring all the right technology for all the wrong reasons.
--R. Buckminster Fuller


The other nodes are players in this and other scandals. What we, to include Fitz., don't yet have are where they align together to form the ball.

Other scandals to connect are:

1. The Turk connection as discussed by Sibel Edmunds.

2. Abhramoff.

3. Feith based initiatives.

4. PNAC Members.

Now, think of the threaded nature of DU commentary. I will start reply threads that correspond to an outline of people and events that I have have collected.

The top level topics are:

  1. Oval Office

  2. VP Office

  3. State Dept.

  4. DoD

  5. Justice Dept.

  6. CIA

  7. INC Iraqi National Congress

  8. New York Times

  9. PNAC

  10. JINSA

  11. AEI American Enterprise Institute

  12. SIMSI

  13. AIPAC

  14. Pakistan

  15. NSC National Security Council

  16. Other Players

  17. Thread Discussion.


So, as a technique to organize our documentation, I will create those threads under this post. I invite you to please help fill in blank spots with other players and events in a cooperatve research oriented thread.

Kind regards,
-Hoot
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 02:16 PM
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1. 1. Oval Office
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 02:25 PM
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19. 1.1 Bush
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 02:26 PM
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20. 1.1.1 Rove
Plame leak source? - doubtful, more likely second or confirmed Plame.
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 02:28 PM
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21. 1.1.2 Rice
national Security Advisor, sorry don't have dates.
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 02:30 PM
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23. 1.2 WHIG White house Iraq Group
Edited on Sat Oct-29-05 02:30 PM by hootinholler
There ya go lovuian ;)

Systematic coordination began in August, when Chief of Staff
Andrew H. Card Jr. formed the White House Iraq Group, or WHIG, to
set strategy for each stage of the confrontation with Baghdad. A
senior official who participated in its work called it "an
internal working group, like many formed for priority issues, to
make sure each part of the White House was fulfilling its
responsibilities."
link

The group met weekly in the Situation Room. Among the regular
participants were Karl Rove, the president's senior political adviser;
communications strategists Karen Hughes, Mary Matalin and James
R. Wilkinson; legislative liaison Nicholas E. Calio; and policy
advisers led by Rice and her deputy, Stephen J. Hadley, along with
I. Lewis Libby, Cheney's chief of staff.
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 02:31 PM
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24. 1.2.2 Participants
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 02:32 PM
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25. 1.2.2.1 Rove (1.1.1)
Edited on Sat Oct-29-05 02:34 PM by hootinholler
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 02:32 PM
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26. 1.2.2.2 Karen Hughes
Edited on Sat Oct-29-05 02:34 PM by hootinholler
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 02:34 PM
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27. 1.2.2.3 Mary Matalin - James Carville's wife
Edited on Sat Oct-29-05 02:34 PM by hootinholler
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 02:35 PM
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28. 1.2.2.4 James R. Wilkinson
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 02:35 PM
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29. 1.2.2.5: Nicholas E. Calio - legislative liaison
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 02:36 PM
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30. 1.2.2.6: Condoleeza Rice - National Security Advisor
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 02:36 PM
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31. 1.2.2.7: Stephen J. Hadley, - Rice's deputy
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 02:38 PM
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33. 1.2.2.8: I. Lewis Libby - Cheney's chief of staff.
link:www.usdoj.gov/usao/iln/osc/documents/libby_indictment_28102005.pdf|Indicted] :P (pdf warning)
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 02:39 PM
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35. 1.2.2.9: Andrew H. Card Jr.- WH Chief of staff
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 02:40 PM
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36. 1.3.1: Press Secretary
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 02:40 PM
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37. 1.3.1.1: Ari Fliescher
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 02:41 PM
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38. 1.3.1.2: Scott McClellan
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 02:41 PM
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39. 1.4: Defense Counsel
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 02:41 PM
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40. 1.4.1: Jim Sharp
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 02:17 PM
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2. 2. VP Office
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 02:43 PM
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42. 2.1: Cheney
Edited on Sat Oct-29-05 02:46 PM by hootinholler
Ol "Crash Cart" hizelf

Cheney raised the alarm about Iraq's nuclear menace three times
in August. He was far ahead of the president's public line. Only Bush
and Cheney know, one senior policy official said, "whether Cheney was
trying to push the president or they had decided to play good cop, bad
cop."
link
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 02:44 PM
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43. 2.1.1: Libby - Chief of Staff
see also 1.2.2.8
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 09:37 PM
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120. Asked State about Wilson's trip
Edited on Sat Oct-29-05 09:40 PM by hootinholler
From Libby's indictment:

On or about May 29, 2003, in the White House, LIBBY asked an Under Secretary
of State (“Under Secretary”) for information concerning the unnamed ambassador’s travel to Niger
to investigate claims about Iraqi efforts to acquire uranium yellowcake. The Under Secretary
thereafter directed the State Department’s Bureau of Intelligence and Research to prepare a report
concerning the ambassador and his trip. The Under Secretary provided LIBBY with interim oral
reports in late May and early June 2003, and advised LIBBY that Wilson was the former ambassador
who took the trip.

----

Ok, "An undersecretary of State directed the INR to report on Wilson" Wonder who that might be, Bolton? Or maybe, Armitage, who ordered the report to be delivered to Powell for the AF-1 trip.
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 09:44 PM
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122. Filled in Wilson's name on Faxes
On or about June 9, 2003, a number of classified documents from the CIA were faxed
to the Office of the Vice President to the personal attention of LIBBY and another person in the
Office of the Vice President. The faxed documents, which were marked as classified, discussed,
among other things, Wilson and his trip to Niger, but did not mention Wilson by name. After
receiving these documents, LIBBY and one or more other persons in the Office of the Vice President
handwrote the names “Wilson” and “Joe Wilson” on the documents.

From Indictment.
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 09:53 PM
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124. Told Principle Deputy not to use Wilson's trip
Shortly after publication of the article in The New Republic, LIBBY spoke by
telephone with his then Principal Deputy and discussed the article. That official asked LIBBY
whether information about Wilson’s trip could be shared with the press to rebut the allegations that
the Vice President had sent Wilson. LIBBY responded that there would be complications at the CIA
in disclosing that information publicly, and that he could not discuss the matter on a non-secure
telephone line.
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 09:55 PM
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125. Told Miller Plame might work at CIA
Edited on Sat Oct-29-05 09:59 PM by hootinholler
On or about June 23, 2003, LIBBY met with New York Times reporter Judith Miller.
During this meeting LIBBY was critical of the CIA, and disparaged what he termed “selective
leaking” by the CIA concerning intelligence matters. In discussing the CIA’s handling of Wilson’s
trip to Niger, LIBBY informed her that Wilson’s wife might work at a bureau of the CIA.
----
reiterated on:
17. On or about the morning of July 8, 2003, LIBBY met with New York Times reporter
Judith Miller. When the conversation turned to the subject of Joseph Wilson, LIBBY asked that the
information LIBBY provided on the topic of Wilson be attributed to a “former Hill staffer” rather
than to a “senior administration official,” as had been the understanding with respect to other
information that LIBBY provided to Miller during this meeting. LIBBY thereafter discussed with
Miller Wilson’s trip and criticized the CIA reporting concerning Wilson’s trip. During this
discussion, LIBBY advised Miller of his belief that Wilson’s wife worked for the CIA
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 09:57 PM
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126. Told Ari about Plame
On or about July 7, 2003, LIBBY had lunch with the then White House Press
Secretary and advised the Press Secretary that Wilson’s wife worked at the CIA and noted that such
information was not widely known.
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 02:44 PM
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44. 2.1.2: JINSA (11.5)
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 02:45 PM
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45. 2.1.3: David Wurmser
David Wurmser replaced Eric Edelman as Principal Deputy Assistant to
the Vice President for National Security Affairs in the Office of Vice
President Dick Cheney in early September 2003
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 09:49 PM
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123. Told Libby about Plame
On or about June 12, 2003, LIBBY was advised by the Vice President of the United
States that Wilson’s wife worked at the Central Intelligence Agency in the Counterproliferation
Division. LIBBY understood that the Vice President had learned this information from the CIA.
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 02:47 PM
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46. 2.2: Defense Counsel
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 02:47 PM
Response to Reply #46
47. 2.2.1: Terrence O'Donnell
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 02:17 PM
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3. 3. State Department
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 02:49 PM
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51. 3.1: Powell
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 02:49 PM
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52. 3.1.1: Yellcake memo on African trip
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 02:50 PM
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53. 3.1.2: Richard Armitage
When Mr. Wilson's Op-Ed article appeared on July 6, 2003, a Sunday,
Richard L. Armitage, then deputy secretary of state, called Carl
W. Ford Jr., the assistant secretary for intelligence and research, at
home, a former State Department official said. Mr. Armitage asked
Mr. Ford to send a copy of the memorandum to Mr. Powell, who was
preparing to leave for Africa with Mr. Bush, the former official
said. Mr. Ford sent it to the White House for transmission to
Mr. Powell. It is not clear who asked for the memorandum,.
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 02:52 PM
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55. 3.1.3: Bolton - Undersecretary of state for Arms Control
3.1.3.1: During the vote count of the 2000 election in Florida a man burst
through the door and yelled that the count had to stop. That man was
John Bolton.
Later it was said that Cheney told him he could 'have anything he
wanted' for what he did in Florida.
Well, he wanted Condi's job as National Security Advisor, but was told
that the job was already Hadley's and he said he wanted Hadley's old
job and Hadley said no.
Think about this. Can you just imagine Bush, Cheney, Condi and Hadley
in a room and dying laughing about appointing him US ambassador and
sending this asshole up there, especially in light of how they all
hate the UN?

3.1.3.2: By then, Wurmser had moved on to a post as senior adviser to
Undersecretary of State John Bolton
link
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 02:53 PM
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57. 3.1.4: Bureau of Intelligence and Research (INR)
Edited on Sat Oct-29-05 02:55 PM by hootinholler
still-classified document to conservative news outlets
suggesting Plame had a role in arranging her husband's trip to
Africa for the CIA. The document, written by a State
Department official who works for its Bureau of Intelligence
and Research (INR), describes a meeting at the CIA where the
Niger trip by Wilson was discussed, said a senior
administration official who has seen it.

CIA officials have challenged the accuracy of the INR document, the
official said, because the agency officer identified as talking about
Plame's alleged role in arranging Wilson's trip could not have
attended the meeting.
-Wash Post

3.1.4.3: October 9-16, 2002
After the documents arrive in Washington, they are reviewed by the
State Department's Bureau of Intelligence and Research (INR) and
within days its analysts conclude that the papers might be fakes. On
October 16, the INR distributes the documents to the CIA and several
other US intelligence agencies with the caveat that the documents are
of dubious authenticity. . . .
. . . the CIA quickly saw that the documents were not authentic. A
senior Central Intelligence Agency official will tell Knut Royce of
Newsday that the CIA had serious questions about from day one.
The agency had accounts of them and that was close enough. We
didn't take it that seriously to begin with. ... We didn't put a lot
of stock in these reports from Niger. We didn't rush around to get the
actual documents. Likewise, a US intelligence official will tell
the New York Times that CIA officials were always suspicious of the
Niger documents. And Hersh's anonymous CIA source also says the papers
were quickly assessed as fakes. Everybody knew at every step of
the way that they were false until they got to the Pentagon, where
they were believed.
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 02:54 PM
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60. 3.1.4.1:Carl W. Ford jr. - assistant secretary for intelligence and resear
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 02:56 PM
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61. 3.2: Rice
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 02:56 PM
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62. 3.3: Micheal Ledeen - Consultant???
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 02:17 PM
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4. WHIG Whitehouse Iraq Group!!!
there ya go!!!
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 02:18 PM
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5. 4. DoD
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 03:01 PM
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64. 4.1: Rumsfeld
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 03:03 PM
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65. 4.1.1: Wolfowitz
Ol Comb-licker

While the CIA and other intelligence agencies concentrated on Osama
bin Laden's Al Qaeda as the culprit in the 9/11 attacks, Wolfowitz and
Feith obsessively focused on Iraq.
link
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 03:04 PM
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66. 4.1.2: Richard Perle
4.1.2.1: International lawyers and anti-war campaigners reacted with
astonishment yesterday after the influential Pentagon hawk Richard
Perle conceded that the invasion of Iraq had been illegal.

In a startling break with the official White House and Downing Street
lines, Mr Perle told an audience in London: "I think in this case
international law stood in the way of doing the right thing."

But Mr Perle, a key member of the defence policy board, which advises
the US defence secretary, Donald Rumsfeld, said that
"international law ... would have required us to leave Saddam
Hussein alone", and this would have been morally
unacceptable.
link

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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 03:04 PM
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67. 4.1.3: Deputy Undersecretary of Defense William Luti
Together, she says, Luti and Shulsky (4.2.6) turned cherry-picked pieces of
uncorroborated, anti-Iraq intelligence into talking points, on
issues like Iraq's WMD and its links to Al Qaeda. Shulsky
constantly updated these papers, drawing on the intelligence unit,
and circulated them to Pentagon officials, including Rumsfeld, and
to Vice President Cheney. "Of course, we never thought they'd go
directly to the White House," she adds.
link
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 03:06 PM
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68. 4.2: OSP - Office of Special Plans
Indeed, the Bush team at the Pentagon hadn't even been formally
installed before Paul Wolfowitz, the deputy secretary of Defense, and
Douglas J. Feith, undersecretary of Defense for policy, began putting
together what would become the vanguard for regime change in Iraq.
link
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 03:07 PM
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70. 4.2.1: Douglas Feith -
A former aide to Richard Perle at the Pentagon in the 1980s Heads OSP
The unofficial, off-site recruitment office for Feith and Rhode was the American Enterprise Institute
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 03:08 PM
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71. 4.2.2: Lt. Colonel Karen Kwiatkowski (USAFR)
observed how the Pentagon's Iraq war-planning unit manufactured scare
stories about Iraq's weapons and ties to terrorists. "It wasn't
intelligence-it was propaganda," she says. "They'd take a little bit
of intelligence, cherry-pick it, make it sound much more exciting,
usually by taking it out of context, often by juxtaposition of two
pieces of information that don't belong together." It was by turning
such bogus intelligence into talking points for
U.S. officials-including ominous lines in speeches by President Bush
and Vice President Cheney, along with Secretary of State Colin
Powell's testimony at the U.N. Security Council last February-that the
administration pushed American public opinion into supporting an
unnecessary war.
link
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 03:08 PM
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72. 4.2.3: Harold Rhode - (4.5)
did he work for Perle?
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 03:09 PM
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73. 4.2.4: Michael Rubin
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 03:10 PM
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74. 4.2.5: David Wurmser
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 03:10 PM
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75. 4.2.5.1: Micheal Maloof -
4.2.5.1.1: Clearance revoked Dec 01 (over security leak to press
allegations). worked for Wurmser
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 03:10 PM
Response to Reply #68
76. 4.2.6: Abram N. Shulsky - director when unit formed
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 03:11 PM
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77. 4.2.7: Colonel Bruner -Chalabi's 'handler'
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 03:11 PM
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78. 4.2.8: Larry Franklin - patsy?
AIPAC Indictment
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 03:12 PM
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80. 4.3: OSI - Office of Strategic Influence
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 03:12 PM
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81. 4.4: U.S. Army
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 03:13 PM
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82. 4.4.1: 75th Exploitation Task Force in Iraq
4.4.1.1: Mobile Exploitation Team Alpha (META), which was charged with
examining potential Iraqi weapon sites after the war.
4.4.1.1.1: Allegedly tasked by Miller (8.1)
http://www.mediainfo.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1984429
4.4.1.2: Richard McPhee, commander
4.4.1.2.1: Eugene Pomeroy - public-affairs officer
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 03:15 PM
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83. 4.5: Office of Net Assessment
Rhode, seen by many veteran staffers as an ideological gadfly, was
officially assigned to the Pentagon's Office of Net Assessment, an
in-house Pentagon think tank headed by fellow neocon Andrew Marshall
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 03:15 PM
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84. 4.5.1: Andrew Marshall
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 03:16 PM
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85. 4.5.1.1: Harold Rhode
Rhode refused to be interviewed for this story, saying cryptically,
"Those who speak, pay."
link
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 02:18 PM
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6. 5. Justice Dept
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 03:17 PM
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86. 5.1: Ashcroft
5.1.1: Actions
5.1.1.1: Obstructs/Punishes Sibel Edmonds
5.1.1.2: Recuses self from Plame investigation
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 03:18 PM
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87. 5.1.2: James Comey - Deputy AG
5.1.2.1: Appoints Fitzgerald Special Prosecutor in Plame case
5.1.2.2: FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE WASHINGTON, D.C. - Deputy Attorney
General James B. Comey announced
today that he intends to resign his position at the Department of
Justice and return to the private sector this fall. Comey has
served as the Deputy Attorney General since December 2003,
following his nomination by President George W. Bush and his
confirmation by a unanimous Senate. As Deputy Attorney General,
Comey led the Justice Department's enormously successful Corporate
Fraud Task Force, created Violent Crime Impact Teams in cities
around the nation to rid the streets of violent criminals, and
oversaw the day to day operation of the Department of Justice, and
its more than 104,000 men and women, under two Attorneys General.
link
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 10:06 PM
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127. Dec 2003 Recusal from Plame investigation
Attorney General John D. Ashcroft did not comment publicly about his decision in the case of the leak.
link

Attorney General John D. Ashcroft recused himself yesterday from a politically charged investigation into the leak of an undercover CIA officer's identity, and his deputy announced the appointment of a special prosecutor in the case.

Ashcroft's decision came abruptly after months of complaints from Democrats that the former Missouri senator's close ties to senior White House aides should disqualify him from overseeing the investigation, which has included FBI interviews of presidential adviser Karl Rove and other senior White House aides.

Several outside legal experts said the decision signals that investigators may be narrowing their focus to one or more likely suspects, and that some of those people may have ties to Ashcroft. Officials said the recusal order applies to Ashcroft and his entire personal staff, which includes a number of longtime political aides from his days as a Republican senator.

"It is a reasonable surmise that they may be honing in on someone who is in a position connected with the administration itself, rather than a career civil servant," said Floyd Abrams, a New York media lawyer who has represented journalists in leak cases. "A political appointee, rather than a career civil servant, would be more likely to lead to consideration of a recusal."
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 03:18 PM
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88. 5.2: Gonzales
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 03:19 PM
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89. 5.3: FBI
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 03:19 PM
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90. 5.3.1: Sibel Edmonds
5.3.1.1: FBI translator Sibel Edmonds, gagged
by Attorney General John Ashcroft, said in her
testimony to the 9/11 Commission that if what she
knows is revealed, it could lead to charges of
TREASON being leveled against elected officials at
top levels of the U.S. government, Certain elected
officials will stand trial and go to prison.
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 03:19 PM
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91. 5.4: Patrick Fitzgerald - Special Prosecutor Plame case
our Hero
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 02:19 PM
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7. 6. CIA
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 03:25 PM
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93. 6.1: George Tenet
6.1.1: September 24, 2002
George Tenet briefs the Senate Intelligence Committee on the 2002
National Intelligence Estimate (NIE) on Iraq (see October 1, 2002). In
his summary of the document, he includes the allegation that Iraq
attempted to obtain uranium from Niger. He mentions that there are
some doubts about the reliability of the evidence, but he does not say
that the CIA had sent former diplomat Joseph C. Wilson as an envoy to
Niger in February (see Late February 2002) and that the former
ambassador's conclusion had been that the claims were bogus.
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 03:26 PM
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94. 6.2.: Plame
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 03:32 PM
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96. 6.2.1.1: Brewster Jennings - Cover company
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 03:32 PM
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97. 6.3: Alan Foley, CIA expert on weapons of mass destruction
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 02:19 PM
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8. 7. INC Iraqi National Congress
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 03:33 PM
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98. 7.1: Ahmad Chalabi
At the start, Chalabi had been a functionary in this group, arranging
logistics for Iraqi politicians visiting officials in Washington. But
with his charming persona, he quickly became the group’s public
face an ascent that alienated many of the groups he claimed to
represent.

7.1.1: As a banker in Amman, he had been a source of gossip about
intrigue in King Hussein’s palace. Reporters including Judy Miller
turned to him for dirt.
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 02:20 PM
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9. 8. New York Times
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 03:33 PM
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99. 8.1: Miller
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 03:36 PM
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100. 8.1.1: WMD Articals:
http://www.mediainfo.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1984429

Jun, 2004:
http://newyorkmetro.com/nymetro/news/media/features/9226/index.html -:
During the winter of 2001 and throughout 2002, Miller produced a
series of stunning stories about Saddam Hussein’s ambition and
capacity to produce weapons of mass destruction, based largely on
information provided by Chalabi and his allies almost all of which
have turned out to be stunningly inaccurate.

-also-

Her Iraq coverage didn’t just depend on Chalabi. It also relied
heavily on his patrons in the Pentagon. Some of these sources, like
Richard Perle and Paul Wolfowitz, would occasionally talk to her on
the record. She relied especially heavily on the Office of Special
Plans, an intelligence unit established beneath Undersecretary of
Defense Douglas Feith. The office was charged with uncovering evidence
of Al Qaeda links to Saddam Hussein that the CIA might have missed. In
particular, Miller is said to have depended on a controversial neocon
in Feith’s office named Michael Maloof. At one point, in December
2001, Maloof’s security clearance was revoked. In April, Risen
reported in the Times, Several intelligence professionals say he
came under scrutiny because of suspicions that he had leaked
classified information in the past to the news media, a charge that
Mr. Maloof denies. While Miller might not have intended to march
in lockstep with these hawks, she was caught up in an almost
irresistible cycle. Because she kept printing the neocon party line,
the neocons kept coming to her with huge stories and great quotes,
constantly expanding her access.

8.1.1.1: On Dec. 3, 2002, Miller aired in the Times the allegations
of an "unnamed informant" who said that a deceased Russian scientist
("Madam Smallpox") might have given Iraq a virulent strain of
smallpox. Nine months later, Dafna Linzer of the Associated Press
authoritatively reported: "U.S. Weapons Hunters Find No Evidence Iraq
Had Smallpox" (Sept. 18).

8.1.1.2: April 21 "baseball cap" story - unidentified source wearing
cap discloses WMD processing locations - pegged bogon detector.

8.1.1.3: And, most memorably, she co-wrote a piece in which
administration officials suggested that Iraq had attempted to
import aluminum tubes for nuclear weapons. Vice-President Dick
Cheney trumpeted the story on Meet the Press, closing the
circle.
http://newyorkmetro.com/nymetro/news/media/features/9226/index.html -:

8.1.1.4: One incident that still rankles happened last April, when
Miller co-bylined a story with Douglas Jehl on the WMD search
that included a quote from Amy Smithson, an analyst formerly at
the Henry L. Stimson Center. A day after it appeared, the Times
learned that the quote was deeply problematic. To begin with, it
had been supplied to Miller in an e-mail that began, Briefly
and on background a condition that Miller had flatly
broken by naming her source. Miller committed a further offense
by paraphrasing the quote and distorting Smithson’s
analysis. One person who viewed the e-mail says that it
attributed views to Smithson that she clearly didn’t hold. An
embarrassing correction ensued. And while the offense had been
entirely Miller’s, there was nothing in the correction
indicating Jehl’s innocence.
http://newyorkmetro.com/nymetro/news/media/features/9226/index.html -:
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 03:37 PM
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101. 8.1.2: (4.4.1.1) Mobile Exploitation Team Alpha (META)
8.1.2.1: "General Judith Miller" -- as Shafer has dubbed her -- was
accused by a half dozen officers of intimidating soldiers
searching for WMD. An Army officer told Kurtz: "Judith was always
issuing threats of either going to The New York Times or to the
Secretary of Defense." Another charged: "She ended up almost
hijacking the mission" of the Mobile Exploitation Team Alpha
(META), which was charged with examining potential Iraqi weapon
sites after the war.
Her journalistic coup lay, rather, in talking her way into getting
clearance from the Pentagon and being allowed to embed with the
75th. As Drogin told Layton, "she was in a great position to get
the initial confirmation in the field" when WMD were found. But
they were not found, despite her best efforts to make readers
think that they were or were about to be.

8.1.2.2: Eugene Pomeroy, public-affairs officer for MET Alpha
According to Pomeroy, as well as an editor at the Times,
Miller had helped negotiate her own embedding agreement with the
Pentagon an agreement so sensitive that, according to one Times
editor, Rumsfeld himself signed off on it.
http://newyorkmetro.com/nymetro/news/media/features/9226/index.html -:
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 03:38 PM
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102. 8.1.3 Pals:
8.1.3: Pals with Chalabi (7.1)
http://newyorkmetro.com/nymetro/news/media/features/9226/index.html -:

8.1.4: Pals with King Hussein
http://newyorkmetro.com/nymetro/news/media/features/9226/index.html -:
As a correspondent for The Progressive and National Public Radio, she
turned her academic interest into a professional one, traveling to the
region and cultivating a network of highly placed sources. Nina
Totenberg, a colleague from NPR, recalls a party in the mid-seventies
at which Jordan’s King Hussein caught a glimpse of Miller across the
room and howled, Juuuuddddy!

Kiiiinnnggg, she responded.

8.1.5: Pals with:
http://newyorkmetro.com/nymetro/news/media/features/9226/index.html -:
Miller had ready access to many Mideast potentates. As she shuttled
between meetings with Hussein, Egyptian president Hosni Mubarak, and
Palestinian Liberation Organization chief Yasser Arafat in 1984, her
colleagues joked about the Miller Plan for peace.
and
From her first day at the Times, Miller’s life and work have been hard
to separate, which for a reporter is both a strength and a
weakness. She’s a passionate person she gets caught up in her
sources passionately, one of her Times colleagues told me. Friends
from her earliest days in Washington noted that she didn’t surround
herself with people her own age. She sought out the best and brightest
at the city’s highest levels, dating Larry Sterne, the Washington
Post’s foreign editor, and hanging out with the defense gurus Richard
Perle and Walter Slocum. These people were powerful. But they were
also interesting, and Judy liked talking to them. She is curious and
enthusiastic, says one friend from this period.
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 03:38 PM
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103. 8.1.4 Jeffery Goldberg
Remember, everyone was obsessed with the White House sex story, says
New Yorker writer Jeffrey Goldberg, who was invited by the paper to
join Miller in an investigation unit to examine Al Qaeda. Goldberg
found her an impossibly difficult colleague. But he also realized her
value. She happened to be prescient about the rise of the global
jihad. And it was her unpleasant hyper-aggressiveness that enabled her
to help force a very important story the possibility of a marriage
between WMD proliferators and global jihadists closer to the top of
the agenda.
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 09:42 PM
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121. 8.2 Nicholas Kristof
On May 6, 2003, the New York Times published a column by Nicholas Kristof which
disputed the accuracy of the “sixteen words” in the State of the Union address. The column reported
that, following a request from the Vice President’s office for an investigation of allegations that Iraq
sought to buy uranium from Niger, an unnamed former ambassador was sent on a trip to Niger in
2002 to investigate the allegations. According to the column, the ambassador reported back to the
CIA and State Department in early 2002 that the allegations were unequivocally wrong and based
on forged documents.
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 02:20 PM
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10. 9. PNAC
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 02:48 PM
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48. 9.1 William Kristol - chairman
Edited on Sat Oct-29-05 02:50 PM by DoYouEverWonder
Established in the spring of 1997, the Project for the New American Century is a nonprofit, educational organization whose goal is to promote American global leadership. The Project is an initiative of the New Citizenship Project.


http://www.newamericancentury.org/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf

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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 02:48 PM
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49. 9.2 Robert Kagan - director
Edited on Sat Oct-29-05 02:50 PM by DoYouEverWonder
n/t
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 02:49 PM
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50. 9.3 Devon Gaffney Cross - director
Edited on Sat Oct-29-05 03:00 PM by DoYouEverWonder
n/t
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 02:51 PM
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54. 9.4 Bruce P. Jackson - Director
n/t
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 02:53 PM
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56. 9.5 John R. Bolton - Director
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 02:54 PM
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59. 9.6 Gary Schmitt - executive director
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 03:00 PM
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63. 9.7 Project Participants
PROJECT PARTICIPANTS
Roger Barnett - U.S. Naval War College
Alvin Bernstein - National Defense University
Stephen Cambone - National Defense University
Eliot Cohen - Nitze School of Advanced International Studies, Johns Hopkins University
Devon Gaffney - Cross Donors' Forum for International Affairs
Thomas Donnelly - Project for the New American Century
David Epstein - Office of Secretary of Defense, Net Assessment
David Fautua - Lt. Col., U.S. Army
Dan Goure - Center for Strategic and International Studies
Donald Kagan - Yale University
Fred Kagan - U. S. Military Academy at West Point
Robert Kagan - Carnegie Endowment for International Peace
Robert Killebrew - Col., USA (Ret.)
William Kristol - The Weekly Standard
Mark Lagon - Senate Foreign Relations Committee
James Lasswell - GAMA Corporation
I. Lewis Libby - Dechert Price & Rhoads
Robert Martinage - Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessment
Phil Meilinger - U.S. Naval War College
Mackubin Owens - U.S. Naval War College
Steve Rosen - Harvard University
Gary Schmitt - Project for the New American Century
Abram Shulsky - The RAND Corporation
Michael Vickers - Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessment
Barry Watts - Northrop Grumman Corporation
Paul Wolfowitz - Nitze School of Advanced International Studies, Johns Hopkins University
Dov Zakheim - System Planning Corporation


The above list of individuals participated in at least one project meeting or contributed a paper for discussion. The report is a product solely of the Project for the New American Century and does not necessarily represent the views of the project participants or their affiliated institutions.
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 02:20 PM
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11. 10 JINSA
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 03:42 PM
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104. 11.1: Dr. Stephen Bryen
JINSA was founded by three of Israeli intelligence's leading
agents in America: Dr. Stephen Bryen, who was investigated for passing
classified information to the Israelis from the Senate in 1978;
Richard Perle; and Michael Ledeen. All three JINSA big-wigs were named
as members of the circle known as the "X Committee" behind the
espionage of the convicted spy for Israel, Jonathan Jay Pollard."
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 03:43 PM
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105. 11.3: Richard Perle
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 03:43 PM
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106. 11.4: Michael Ledeen
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 03:44 PM
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107. 11.5: Cheney !
- "After he left the position of Secretary of Defense in
the Bush "41" Administration, Cheney again hooked up with the
Libby/Wolfowitz circle, joining the International Advisory Board of JINSA.
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 02:21 PM
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12. 11. AEI American Enterprise Institute
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 03:44 PM
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108. 11.1: Michael Ledeen
Edited on Sat Oct-29-05 03:46 PM by hootinholler
12.1.1: And that's where Michael Ledeen is mentioned. "In an interview
published April 7, 2005, Cannistaro (the former head of
counterterrorism operations at the CIA and the intelligence director
at the National Security Council under Ronald Reagan) was asked by Ian
Masters what he would say if it was asserted that the source of the
forgery was former National Security Council and State Department
consultant Michael Ledeen. (Ledeen had also allegedly been a
liaison between the American Intelligence Community and SISMI (Italian
military intelligence agency) two decades earlier.) Cannistraro
answered by saying: "you'd be very close."
www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Yellowcake-forgery
12.1.2: Ledeen has a colorful track record, which has produced
substantial grist for the conspiracy mill: He was allegedly tied to
the Italian P2 Masonic Lodge, a violent right wing group that was
involved in a number of terrorists attacks in Italy in the 1970s the
1980s; in the late 1970s, while P2 was doing its dirty work, Ledeen
was working as a consultant to Italian intelligence on terrorism
issues; as a consultant to the National Security Council in the 1980s,
Ledeen acted as a go-between for Oliver North in the early stages of
the Iran-Contra affair, working with the Israeli spy David Kimche to
gain the release of U.S. hostages in Beirut through an Iranian arms
dealer, Manucher Ghorbanifar; he helped promote the "Bulgarian
Connection" theory that the KGB was behind the assassination attempt
on the pope in 1981; and, more recently, the Sydney Morning Herald
reported (August 8, 2003) that Ledeen worked with Pentagon staffers to
redevelop the channel to arms dealer Ghorbanifar in support of
resistance efforts in Iran. Reported the Herald: " Rhode recently
acted as a liaison between Feith's office, which drafted much of the
Administration's post-Iraq planning, and Ahmed Chalabi, a former Iraqi
exile groomed for leadership by the Pentagon. Mr. Rhode is a protege
of Michael Ledeen, who was a National Security Council consultant in
the mid 1980s when he introduced Mr. Ghorbanifar to Oliver North, a
NSC aide, and others in the opening stages of the Iran-Contra
affair. It is understood Mr. Ledeen reopened the Ghorbanifar channel
with Mr. Feith's staff." (9, 10)
http://rightweb.irc-online.org/ind/ledeen/ledeen.php
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 02:21 PM
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13. 12 SIMSI
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 03:45 PM
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109. 12.1: Fall 2001
Edited on Sat Oct-29-05 03:47 PM by hootinholler
The Italian intelligence agency, SISMI, provides the CIA with a report
on a 1999 trip to Niger made by Wissam al-Zahawie (see February 1999),
Iraq's former ambassador to the Vatican. The report suggests that the
trip's mission was to discuss the future purchase of uranium oxide,
known as yellowcake. According to sources later interviewed by
New Yorker's Seymour Hersh, the report is dismissed as amateurish
and unsubstantiated by US intelligence.
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 03:45 PM
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110. 12.2: Ledeen - liason?
Edited on Sat Oct-29-05 03:47 PM by hootinholler
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 02:22 PM
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14. 13 AIPAC
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 03:48 PM
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111. 13.1 Larry Franklin - passes intel (arrested march 05)
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 02:22 PM
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15. 14 Pakistan
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 03:49 PM
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112. 14.1: Abdul Qadeer Khan
16.2.1: That is particularly odd in light of the recent revelations of
the region's pivotal role in the spread of weapons of mass
destruction. A Dubai-based computer firm arranged for Malaysian- and
European-made gas centrifuge components, used to enrich uranium, to be
sent on to Libya. The firm was part of a vast network devised by Abdul
Qadeer Khan, Pakistan's own Edward Teller.
http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2004/0412/086_print.html
16.3: Evidence discovered in a probe of Iran's secret nuclear program
points overwhelmingly to Pakistan as the source of crucial technology
that put Iran on a fast track toward becoming a nuclear weapons power,
according to U.S. and European officials familiar with the
investigation.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&contentId=A18170-2003Dec20¬Found=true
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 02:23 PM
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16. 15 NSC National Security Council
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 03:57 PM
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116. 15.1: Robert G. Joseph, director for nonproliferation
"Robert G. Joseph, director for nonproliferation at the
National Security Council (NSC), telephones senior CIA official Alan
Foley and argues that the Africa-uranium claim should be included in
Bush's upcoming State of the Union address. When Foley warns that the
allegation has little evidence to support it, Mr. Joseph instead
requests that the speech include a remark saying that the British had
learned that Iraq was seeking uranium in Africa, leaving out the bit
about Niger and the exact quantity of uranium that was allegedly
sought."
link
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 02:23 PM
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17. 16 Other Players
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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 03:31 PM
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95. Does Tony Blair fit into this anywhere? If yes also what about other
Brits like David Kelly the microbiologist. Should the Brits or their own line?
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 03:51 PM
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113. Good idea!
Add it to the main thread. I don't have anything on the Brits yet.

-Hoot
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 02:24 PM
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18. 17 Thread Discussion.
So is this a stupid idea?

-Hoot
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MelissaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 02:29 PM
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22. No, I think it's just a slow day.
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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 03:11 PM
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79. I think it is good idea, but I am not sure where to reply? For instance
under the NYT wouldn't you have Judy Miller and other staff and players maybe even people who wrote Op-Ed articles like Wilson. Is this the kind of info you want or more detailed?

Should we reply under those topics up above or is there a preferred method.

I think it is a great idea and when you have everyone contributing this thing will start to interlock together. I remember reading about Buckyballs for a long time they are amazingly strong structures and they look like soccer balls.
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 03:24 PM
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92. Yes, that's the idea!
Similar to what DoYouEverWonder did. I'm working through posting what I have. Feel free to add nodes. The numbers are from my original outline. If you prefer, you can wiat unitl I get it all in and then reply or just reply.

-Hoot
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 04:06 PM
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118. No. But DEMOPEDIA is a far more appropriate venue.
That's what Demopedia (aka Wikipedia) accommodates very well and a threaded discussion is very bad at.

I STRONGLY advise that you construct the (F)UckyBall in Demopedia. It can then make sense to have discussion threads on more containable elements of the overall map/construct.
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tuvor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 02:37 PM
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32. Never heard the term "buckyball" until today--twice.
Nobel winner who discovered 'buckyballs' dead at 62

HOUSTON (Reuters) - Rice University professor Richard Smalley, who shared a 1996 Nobel Prize in chemistry for the discovery of "buckyballs," has died of cancer at the age of 62, the university said on Friday.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20051029/us_nm/buckyballs_dc
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 02:38 PM
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34. Buckyball: HUGH threat to human life....."beware the grey goo"
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OxQQme Donating Member (694 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 02:54 PM
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58. Buckyball indeed
Edited on Sat Oct-29-05 02:58 PM by OxQQme




Furthest out 'moon' orbitting Saturn in totally different pattern than others marching in formation. Some speak of it as manufactured.

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OxQQme Donating Member (694 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 03:06 PM
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69. Lest we space out connecting points
1A to 2B we can't leave out the ramifications of the soon to be a major figure that's to be 'appointed' to be the 'head' the Federal Reserve.
This could also be listed under the 'crony' heading it seems.
Or maybe it's the other way around and the financiers are calling all the shots and this administration are the puppets.
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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 03:52 PM
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114. Buckyballs need not be replicating assemblers...
...or are you suggesting that we would have to create replicating assemblers to create buckyballs?
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 03:56 PM
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115. uhhhhh, I was just joking sorta, but reading a little on this I came up
with the idea that those in the know re: nanotech are wary of the idea that we're getting into very uncharted waters here, and that there's lots of evidence of negative unforseen consequences just over the horizon

guess I'm one of those who's afraid that just about whatever can go wrong eventually WILL go wrong
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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 04:44 PM
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119. ...and we need people with that mentality to keep the brakes on.
Otherwise, the last human word spoken in the universe may be "oops." On the other hand, I don't think we should fear science and technology, just keep an eye on the overzealous.
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 02:42 PM
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41. Scanning your dustbunnies onto your computer? IT MUST BE SAT!!
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 04:02 PM
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117. Ok, that's what I have.
Now, to start picking apart the indictment and see what can be added from there.

-Hoot
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