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ncteechur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 04:01 PM
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I wished Fitz had made this point clearer.
He said it or referred to it but I wished he would have made it crystal clear, that the reason the original charge of leaking Plame's identity wasn't the central charge was BECAUSE of the perjury and obstruction of justice. Libby's intentional lying obstruction made it impossible to determine all the facts surrounding the leak and in that regard, Libby compromised national security even more. Fitz should have said that this case will remain open until all the real and accurate facts are know and until all witnesses before the grand jury are known to have told the truth. Until that day, we will continue to investigate and we WILL determine the real truth no matter where that truth takes us.
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Texasgal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 04:02 PM
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1. It's better than nothing!!
Baby steps... baby steps...
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Jersey Devil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 04:03 PM
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2. He was constrained by the law of secrecy for grand juries
He is not permitted to say what a grand jury will investigate or not investigate
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ncteechur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 04:06 PM
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3. I don't think that would have been out of bounds since we
all knew it was the scope of the investigation anyway. I just don't want the corrupt sitholes thinking it is over if it is not.
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Jersey Devil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 04:15 PM
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6. He simply could not answer
nor would he want to tip off where he was going. It's all a big poker game and he wants to keep them guessing.
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 04:13 PM
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4. sand in the umpires eye, or whatever: this is why John Dean
said they'd never have gotten Nixon if the case had stayed in the courts

perjury, obstruction of justice was all they needed to keep the dogs off, if those charged kept their mouths shut

the Senate investigation was what blew the lid off

there will BE no similar investigation unless one of the houses of congress can be taken next year

I know the arguments against this are best characterized in the overturning of North and Poindexter's convictions, but that can be avoided by, I hope, a committee NOT headed up by the likes of Lee Hamilton, who distinguished himself then, and recently by being only too willing to stay away from the relevant avenues of investigation

and don't forget that Cheney (along with the utterly venal and reprehensible Bobdole-"Senator for Sale") was one of the worst obstructors during Iran/Contra, as a Congressman
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Kagemusha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 04:13 PM
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5. He used the baseball analogy...
He said he'd been going over exactly how to explain it quite a lot.
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Jersey Devil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 04:16 PM
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7. Maybe the baseball analogy was a secret message to Bush
that the Hickory trees were turning in clusters.
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 04:26 PM
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8. I thought it was exceedingly clear
It's also clear, I think, to most adults that obstruction and perjury are charges precisely because they can make decisions on the underlying charges difficult, if not impossible. So, for example, if someone is caught shredding all the documentary evidence in a money laundering scheme, they make it impossible to charge on the money laundering, but it's perfectly legitimate (and even necessary) to then charge them with obstruction of justice.

I think perhaps some people think of it as a game: if you're successful in covering up the crime, then you win, and prosecutors lose. But it's not a game; it's the pursuit of justice, and you're no more entitled to cover up the crime than you are entitled to commit it.
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julialnyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 04:34 PM
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9. I think that was an invitation to help clear the sand from his eyes for
a negotiation. With Libby being at the top of the order making the calls he would be the leaker unless he was to disclose who passed the strategy on to him, and at the top of the ladder he will have to answer the "why" he did so. Most reporters tape their conversations, so I think that his amnesia defense will only go so far when they can play his bull shitting back to him.
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goodhue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 04:43 PM
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10. He made it pretty dang clear -- sand in the umpire's face
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