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Seen the light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 07:06 PM
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Could someone show me who sent Wilson on his trip?
Sorry, I feel dumb because I can't find the link that shows that it wasn't Plame. Could someone help me out with a link?
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democrat in Tallahassee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 07:10 PM
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1. Why does it matter who sent him? It's a red herring. They broke
the law and are trying to deflect attention away from themselves. Even if Wilson is the biggest liar in the world they still broke the law.
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Seen the light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 07:15 PM
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7. I'm sick of having to point this out in refuting the GOP talking points
So I needed a link to have handy.

It's amazing how many lies have been spread about this case if you think about it.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 07:11 PM
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2. here-from media matters



http://mediamatters.org/items/200510280009

CNN's Ensor: "Very high intelligence officials" say suggestion "that Valerie Plame suggested her husband be sent to Niger ... just isn't true"


On CNN's October 28 breaking-news coverage of the indictment of vice presidential chief of staff I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby on charges related to the investigation of the leak of the identity of CIA operative Valerie Plame, CNN national security correspondent David Ensor challenged the suggestion that Plame "suggested her husband be sent to Niger" to investigate a possible deal to sell uranium to Iraq. Ensor reported that he had "talked to very high intelligence officials who say that just isn't true." Ensor then reported that the "very high intelligence officials" said that "it was senior officers above her who had the idea of sending Ambassador Wilson" based on his past experience in Niger and as an ambassador elsewhere in Africa. Ensor noted that, according to his sources, Plame subsequently responded positively to the suggestion in an e-mail "to higher-ups at the CIA who suggested that Joe Wilson be sent.

Media Matters for America has documented numerous examples of reporters and commentators claiming that Plame was responsible for Wilson being sent to Niger........
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Seen the light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 07:13 PM
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4. Thank you, that was just what I was looking for
:D

I feel bad sometimes having to ask people these things. I think it's about time I get a star so I won't have to do that anymore. :)
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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 07:20 PM
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11. Go to the library and take out his book.
You'll get all the information you need.
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 07:12 PM
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3. Will this work for you?
Claims That Plame Sent Wilson To Niger Was Untrue According to The CIA. "Over the past months, however, the CIA has maintained that Wilson was chosen for the trip by senior officials in the Directorate of Operations counter proliferation division (CPD) - not by his wife - largely because he had handled a similar agency inquiry in Niger in 1999. On that trip, Plame, who worked in that division, had suggested him because he was planning to go there, according to Wilson and the Senate committee report."

http://www.democrats.org/a/p/day_27_claims_that_plame_sent_wilson_to_niger_was_untrue_according_to_the_cia.html

It's a quote from the WP.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 07:14 PM
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5. And exactly why should we care about who sent her???
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 07:17 PM
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8. Because the right wing is filling the airwaves with lies about who sent
him. It's important to know the exact chain of events to debunk the right wing talking points.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 07:22 PM
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15. I know that, but it's IRRELEVANT, and when we argue the point with
them, we aid them in their claim that it IS relevant.

Why dignify the question with a response?
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 07:29 PM
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17. You have to be kidding me? You are cool with lies being left unchecked?
It's important to rebut articles that are giving out false information! I guess Larry Johnson should just go home and leave all the lies unchecked. Let Ann Coulter say whatever she wants. That would be great for our Country.

:crazy:
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WiseButAngrySara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 07:34 PM
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19. Jeez! Chill out! I had the same question r.e. link because the RW
Edited on Sat Oct-29-05 07:37 PM by WiseButAngrySara
incorrect talking points are abundant. 'Wilson has no credibility, is a liar, claims that he was sent by Cheney, wrote an ambiguous initial report, his wife really sent him,' and on and on. These lies are being repeated as I type! I just heard Andrea Mitchell speak about Wilson's questionable credibility, and Niger report ambiguity, and not one of the panel (Russert, Gregory aand others) refuted what she said...So, to a lot of people that makes her assertions true.

edited to add: I hope you weren't one of the many who accused Kerry of not defending himself promptly enough against the Swift Boat liers for Falsehood! If you did, you should examine your own hypocrisy.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 07:55 PM
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21. What did I say that needs chilling out????
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WiseButAngrySara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 08:11 PM
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22. If you don't know by re-reading your own posts, I'm not going to point it
out to you.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 08:17 PM
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23. Calmly saying we should not dignify the RW's lies by responding to them
needs chilling out???

Somebody needs to get back on their medication PDQ. :crazy: :wtf:
The complete lack of logic by certain posters amazes me....

I just think people are getting WAY too het up over trying to debunk the "Valerie sent Wilson" story.......
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KnaveRupe Donating Member (700 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 08:27 PM
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24. Yeah, that worked well when the swift boats attacked Kerry. n/t
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 07:18 PM
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9. I care that people know the real story.
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clmbohdem Donating Member (296 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 07:27 PM
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16. Because they consider it to be a Boondoggle.
It is written that a wife may not ask her husband to do work. If she does, then the husband must pretend to do the work.
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deadparrot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 07:15 PM
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6. According to Wilson in his book, it was the CIA...
but not Valerie...

"Apart from being the conduit of a message from a colleague in her office asking if I would be willing to have a conversation about Niger's uranium industry, Valerie had nothing to do with the matter. Though she worked on weapons of mass destruction issues, she was not at the meeting I attended where the subject of Niger's uranium was discussed, when the possibility of my actually traveling to the country was broached. She definitely had not proposed that I make the trip."

Joesph Wilson, The Politics of Truth, p. 5
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 07:20 PM
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12. I think most of the Right Wing media needs these quotes.
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Seen the light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 07:22 PM
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14. They won't believe it though
They don't take anything Wilson says seriously, although I have yet to have been shown evidence of one single lie Joseph Wilson has made. Maybe he has, but I haven't seen it.
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Stevepol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 07:18 PM
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10. Don't know about a link but Larry Johnson I believe was responsible OR
Edited on Sat Oct-29-05 07:21 PM by Stevepol
at least he knows the circumstances. I read that he was present when Cheney told him or some other CIA person that he (Cheney) wanted to know if the Niger yellow cake story was for real. The CIA person (who may have been Johnson himself) took Cheney at his word and contacted Wilson about it. So Wilson's claim that the CIA had asked him to go based on a request from Cheney's "office" is accurate.

This lie that keeps being repeated that Wilson said the "Cheney" sent him is baloney. I don't think Wilson ever said that Cheney himself sent him or contacted him. I could be wrong, but if he did happen to say Cheney, he quickly corrected himself. Fitz's indictment also phrases it properly though I don't have it in front of me at the moment to check for exact phraseology.

Try this link: http://www.tpmcafe.com/story/2005/7/13/04720/9340

If that one isn't enough just google some combination of Larry Johnson, yellow cake, Wilson, Niger, etc. and you'll find all you need I think.

I just realized that there are several other posts so this might be a dupe. Sorry if it is. Too careless I guess.
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WiseButAngrySara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 07:44 PM
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20. This was very useful! Thanks Stevepol. ....n/t
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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 07:21 PM
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13. FITZGERALD knows who sent him, and that's all that matters. n/t
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 07:32 PM
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18. I read somewhere that this issue was briefly discussed in the 9/11
Commission Report also.
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