After watching the Sunday shows

on three different channels, there can be no debate out it anymore (at least with me).

We have a complacent press that is shamelessly deferential to this Administration. The press is lazy, and possibly intimidated by the RW talking points (i.e. "Questioning a president in a time of war"..."You're with us or against us"..."It's a liberal media"...etc).

This is just as harmful to the country as the Bush Administration. The press is letting it happen.

We CANNOT give up.

edit: For the record, I'm not saying I JUST realized or suspected this. It's just that to see this during a criminal investigation of the White House...well, it's confirmed now, beyond any doubt.

And they're scared to death of this administration or else they're in bed with them (corporate-owned media). It's how we got into this mess to begin with. Quite frankly--I'm not surprised. I would have been more surprised had they been nailing them to the wall for it. I honestly don't know what we're going to have to do to take back our media and take back our country.

I agree. I can't imagine why today's journalists would pass on a career story.
Someone has to get to the bottom of this.

called Plamegate "gossip" and not criminal!!

That's why he has to "protect" Watergate's place in history, when in effect all he's doing is securing his own place.

I'm not all that impressed with him anymore.

Did anyone read his latest book--the one on Felt? A totally uninteresting, scatter-brained recollection. Awful reporting.

and Tenet, much of which is to be debunked sooner or later, IMHO. A good historian he is not. I used to think that he was a good reporter, but one has to be a good historian to be a good reporter, in that one must be unbiased and objective in reporting the facts. Woodward has failed on all scores, and Watergate might have just been placed in his lap. What 'glory' does that deserve?

IranContra, BCCI and Plame at their core were all major crimes against the Constitution as well as against mankind.

Monicagate was less than a sneeze!

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:rofl:

I want to check it out.

I have seen MTP and Chris Matthews.

I think they are excited over the story but I am inclined to agree the press is holding back. BUT considering the way the current WH has gone after anyone who speaks out against them or the war in Iraq, I can understand. It is going to take an unusually brave reporter to get to the bottom of this.

I think. If they get caught for being "in bed" with the administration they could lose raitings. That's all this is about.

Seemed to me that the Bu$h Administration was getting raked pretty good.
I have never seen this much criticism from the MSM.
Maybe the press is just getting it's courage?
I know...wishful thinking.

The difference is important. The press isn't lazy...they are guilty.

They are not avoiding the issues...they are advancing them.

I think the press is operating out of a dangerous combination of laziness and fear. That's the only thing I know for sure. I don't know that they desire to be carrying the Administration's water, but they sure are doing it.

Brit Hume, Robert Novak, Sulzberger and the NYT editors, William Kristol, The Ownership and probably half the staff of the Washington Times (check with David Brock here), etc....

These are not Fearful or Lazy people. They are people who are highly paid to work full time to advance a very specific agenda.

in the press are doing what you say. I'm talking about the press (almost) as a whole.

Who is paying the NYT editors to advance a very specific agenda?

they can't or they will be cut off..first by their corporate whoremongering owners..and the owners will be cut off by the white house...

i felt like i was watching a * & cheney blow job today!

and the media whore s packed the house with neo con willing monicas!

I am dismayed over the constant mantra about how Libby is innocent until proven guilty and glossing over the failure of Bush and Cheney to explain and demand accountability all this time. Reporters and pundits (even ones like David Gregory) are still saying that Wilson lied, when nothing in the Grand Jury indictments indicates that Wilson lied and everything points the finger at Libby and White House as the liars.

Media coverage has totally failed to point out that Fitzgerald specifically said that the nature of the indictments with Libby not being indicted on more serious charges should not be seen as a vindication because a serious breach of the national trust occurred and damage was caused to us all. He was trying to send a strong message that is being ignored.

I am not disappointed in Fitzgerald, but I am very disappointed with our media that is failing us once again.

I think that's pretty much word for word what Saffire himself said. When Billy Surefire spouts stuff like that, you know the ball is over.

was doing the best * propaganda money could buy!!..thats what i saw...i was screaming at the filthy propagandist!!

economy good ..poor judy..poor bush ..not real crime...what did you see??

fly

It was an exact quote "this Presidency is over".

He did the BS on the Fitzgerald crap, but what do you expect from a media whore? Even Bush's apologists have to admit the party is over.

He is waiting for the triumphant return of the king.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=5225948&mesg_id=5225948

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2194782

Maybe we should start calling it the:

Corporate
Owned
News


CON



edit: oops...forgot the link. ;)

It just started and Russert has shown clips of Bush and Cheney promising honor, integrity and decency in their WH during election 2000. The obvious message is that they either failed or lied.

Not a good start for BushCo on Meet the Press today.

It turns into a spin job, and Russert lets it happen. That's how it seemed to me.

"No, it's all about how he can rebound, how he can improve his personal approval ratings. But there's absolutely no reason the media should ask the former question and not the latter. There's no law that says they have to assist Bush in recovering his fabricated image. It would be a completely valid question in light of such a high-profile indictment to ask if it's time for Bush to step down. After all, his presidency has been so disastrous that it'll take decades to restore America's good name."

"*Russert's intro on Meet the Press (10/30): "How can Bush repair his second term?"

bush CAN'T REPAIR HIS SECOND TERM, IT'S JUST GOING TO GET WORSE AND THIS REFLECTS ON AMERICA!

Do you have a brain in that big head overstuffed with LIES, russert?

I had to leave after the first 20 minutes, but even as I was posting my original message I got that ol' sinking feeling as the fathead's scrambled to chat-up president Knucklehead and pals. (I'm a slow typist.)

So, there's still plenty of work to do in whipping our lazy, sometimes lying, and fairly pitiful press into shape even as we continue to share the real news (mostly) with each other in much the same way Soviet Russia once had to do.

My thanks to Al Gore for promoting the internet(s)!

We`ll get nowhere fast until we do something about the media...a serious something.

Chris Matthews is still frothing over Bush`s new "nobility", a word I`ve heard him use three separate times this week. Nobility? Well alrighty then. Let`s order up an ermine robe.

Really. Until we take some serious action against the sorry excuses who call themselves journalists, it`s going to be more of the same.

... when asked by Bill Mahr what she thought of the current state of the press, "Well, I think they're finally coming out of their coma."

The TV media, unfortunately, is never as interested in the news, or any bias thereof, as they are in MONEY. I've noticed that the MSM has, very slowly, been ratcheting up their criticism of this administration -- I don't think it's because they've suddenly seen the light. It's a matter of corporate sponsors who wanted news viewers to see their commercials and buy their products.

As Bush's poll numbers drop and more and more viewers become anti-Admin rather than pro-Admin, it means the majority of your viewers want to see criticism rather than praise -- otherwise, they go elsewhere for their news, and take their consumer dollars with them.

I, myself, am a recovering CNN-aholic. I used to put it on the minute I got up, and again the minute I got home from work. Now I go to the internet for my news. The fact is that CNN could have me (and my ready-to-spend disposable income) back in a flash, if they just started reporting the NEWS again, without the BS and the fluff.

Viewership (and listenership) for extreme right-wing TV and radio shows are now steadily in decline, while shows like 'The Daily Show', 'The Colbert Report', and 'Real Time' are on the rise. Money talks, and the larger your viewership, the higher the price you can charge for air-time commercials.

It is unfortunate that our news, which should be sacred and apart from such financial concerns, is continually held for ransom by corporate greed.

But every once in a while, what is very wrong results in the right thing eventually being done.

I must have been the only one watching the Fitzgerald press conference on Friday because all I heard from the right wing spin machine today was that Bush dodged a bullet. I thought I heard Fitzgerald say that Libby threw dirt in his eyes and therefore he could not come to a conclusion on the underlying charge, but you wouldn't know from the Sunday morning spin. Really it was almost a Bush victory lap. Is the investigation not still going on? Fitzgerald did not pack up and go home. This is far from over, no matter the spin.

Let's remember the last time we heard the "dodged a bullet" cliche was during the Katrina debacle, and we see how that turned out for the administration.

mainly of 35+'ers, white males, earning at least $75K a year. They, overwhelmingly, are REPUBLICANS.

They're more interested in their audience than democracy.

And when they refused to report Bush's wire in the debate.

And when, after Kerry swept all 3 debates decisively, they claimed that debates weren't very important anymore.

And when.........

N/T

with the sports guy taking over...he is a rabid * supporter!!

fly

Especially fox. I think people clearly know now that Fox is very rightwing. Bill Maher showed us that on his show the Friday before last. Anyone who still claims the press is liberal I just laugh hysterically in their faces.