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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-05 06:42 PM
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Bush losing faith in Cheney, top aides: Time
Edited on Sun Oct-30-05 06:43 PM by NNN0LHI
http://www.khaleejtimes.com/DisplayArticle.asp?xfile=data/theworld/2005/October/theworld_October788.xml§ion=theworld

WASHINGTON - President George W. Bush’s confidence in his top team of advisors, including all-important vice president Dick Cheney, has fallen sharply in the wake of the CIA leak scandal, Time magazine reported on Sunday.

In the wake of Friday’s indictment of Cheney’s top advisor for lying to a grand jury over the case, Bush’s faith in his own top aides Karl Rove and Andrew Card, as well as Cheney, has dropped, Time reported.

“He’s lost some of his confidence in the three people he listens to the most,” Time quoted an unnamed White House adviser as saying.

“The problem is that the President doesn’t want to make changes,” the source said.

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deadparrot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-05 06:44 PM
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1. LOL. Only because they got caught. nt
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 07:54 AM
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62. BINGO
This administration BACKS DOWN or ADMITS MISTAKES ONLY WHEN FORCED TO.
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Inland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 09:08 AM
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64. Bush will do the right thing
when forced and no other options available.
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nini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-05 06:45 PM
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2. LOL this implies he's actually in charge which is a hoot
guess W will need to go on vacation again to get him out of the way of the big boys.
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Individualist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-05 07:35 PM
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27. The fool probably believes he is in charge
:eyes:
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CountAllVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-05 06:45 PM
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3. no the problem is .........
Edited on Sun Oct-30-05 06:46 PM by CountAllVotes
Every single one of these crooks needs to be tried, indicted and jailed for life!

Lock up these crooks! ALL OF THEM!!!!

NO ONE IS EXEMPT!!!

U.S. OUT OF IRAQ NOW!

BRING OUR TROOPS HOME NOW!!!!!!!



:dem: :kick: :kick: :kick:

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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-05 06:50 PM
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9. Exactly
Including Bush himself. This story was probably put out there to show Bush wasn't involved. So flip it and you got the truth more than likely. I personally don't buy this whole act that Bush is ignorant and dumb. I think he's very much involved in the planning and in on the meetings when it concerns him.
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CountAllVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-05 08:01 PM
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32. Yes including * himself is right!
The whole damn load of these crooks MUST GO NOW! They are all criminals; not one is exempt!

:kick:

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thinkingwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-05 06:45 PM
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4. Gee that's funny
I don't remember Card's name coming up in the indictment anywhere...so why is Bush losing faith in Andy Card?

Meanwhile, this is all going along right on schedule...Libby indicted, Rove still under investigation, Cheney not Bush's favorite VP anymore...


:popcorn:

I am getting fat.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-05 06:54 PM
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14. Really
:shrug: Very strange. And yes I think by the time this case is over a lot of us will have more weight on us by eating all this popcorn. ;)
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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-05 06:55 PM
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17. They say Card was behind Katrina response & Miers nomination
Which have not made George the life of the party lately.
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thinkingwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-05 08:03 PM
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33. Aha
those were pieces of the puzzle I did not have.

Thanks for enlightening me! :hi:
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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-05 08:57 PM
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44. thanks information cited is here
A Time to Regroup
Bloodied by scandal, setbacks and casualties, Bush is looking for fresh troops and a new battle plan
Bush senior adviser Karl Rove, who while not indicted has still emerged as a player in the scandal; and chief of staff Andrew Card, who gets some of the blame for bungling the response to Hurricane Katrina and even more for the botched Supreme Court nomination of Harriet Miers. "All relationships with the President, except for his relationship with Laura, have been damaged recently," the White House adviser says. The closest aide who is undamaged is Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice--who is off minding the rest of the world--and, of course, Bush himself.

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1124305,00.html
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 12:21 AM
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55. "Rice is off minding the rest of the world--and of course, Bush himself."
Edited on Mon Oct-31-05 12:22 AM by Leopolds Ghost
:rofl: Freudian slip, anyone?

Two possibe meanings:

1) Bush is undamaged.

2) Condoleez Rice is "minding Bush" while off minding the rest of the world on the President's behalf.

How insulting -- for good or ill -- either way.
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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 05:11 PM
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65. It's amazing how Bush is never in the loop
He is our leader.
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-05 08:49 PM
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40. Damn! I am too.
Eating chocolate with my popcorn, I'm afraid...

SHIT.

But I'm SO delighted to see this take center stage!!! GAWD - it's unavoidable! Taking on a life of its own...
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thinkingwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-05 09:19 PM
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48. My life has been full of adversity
for decades now, and I have made my peace with it by learning an important lesson:

when you have done all you can do, sit back and enjoy the show.

:popcorn:
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-05 10:57 PM
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52. LOL, eating chocolate with my champagne here .............
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-05 11:02 PM
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53. Andy would probably be THRILLED
He is in a job that usually burns a guy out in two to three years. He wants to GO. He just does not have the balls to say so...IMO.
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-05 11:08 PM
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54. Maybe he was Novak's other source. If it wasn't Libby.
There is a third administration official I don't think we have figured out who it is yet. Of course it could be Hadley. Just thinking out loud.
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thinkingwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 07:24 AM
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58. That's an interesting thought, actually. nt.
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expatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-05 06:45 PM
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5. um.... so who's running the country?
If Bush is just figuring out now how the "people he listens to most" operate it should be a red flag that he is not really in control.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-05 06:55 PM
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18. Seems like Andy is eh?
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-05 06:46 PM
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6. Gee. The Adults are at each other's throats.
:rofl:
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tulsakatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-05 07:01 PM
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20. this should be fun..........
This entire administration is just going to implode on itself! People within the inner circle will be attacking each other...kind of like the Miers nomination, the Democrats didn't have to do anything, just sit back and watch the right fight amongst themselves!

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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-05 06:47 PM
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7. Making it sound like he wasn't aware of the WMD fraud.
As if he actually believed all that shit.
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-05 06:49 PM
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8. In other news * thinks that rearranging the deck chairs on ....
.... the Titanic would have helped.

I sense Cheney is about to have "health reasons" and he will split to his
multi million dollar home on the Chesapeake and run things from there.

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knowbody0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-05 06:52 PM
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13. i really hate that he bought his mansion
with profits from halliburton.

grrr
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GCP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-05 06:51 PM
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10. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA
If he had the brains, he'd lose faith in Cheney.
He hasn't got the brains to know when he's truly and absolutely fucked IMHO.
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-05 06:52 PM
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Oh, really?
Who could have guessed? :rofl:
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senseandsensibility Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-05 06:52 PM
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11. This whole thing is a joke
He hasn't lost confidence in them. The last line says it all. He still doesn't want to make changes. The truth is, he is incapable of understanding what is going on, and doesn't care. It is the not caring that is criminal. He is as culpable as the rest of the scumbags, but for a different reason. This article is covering for chimp, as does most articles in the corporate media.
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Ksec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-05 06:52 PM
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12. and America is losing faith in YOU mr b* .
You can fire everyone in your administration but it still boils down to you and your incompetence and your lack of ethics.
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gumby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-05 06:54 PM
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15. That must really be upsetting
to a Faith-Based administration... :rofl:
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-05 06:54 PM
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16. Too funny...the only reason stupid Republicans voted for Bush was
because the more mature, moral Cheney would be in charge...what a bunch of idiots!
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serryjw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-05 06:56 PM
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19. That's why Chaney bought a new house in MD
He is leaving!
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WA98296 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-05 07:02 PM
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21. Cheney-advisor? BS, Cheney is the one running everything.
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AlinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-05 07:05 PM
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22. He can't change anything himself. Others will do it for him.
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-05 07:15 PM
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23. He can't possibly be in charge
I don't see how it's even remotely possible that a man so stupid, who doesn't even know the meanings of simple words, confuses elementary concepts, people, places and things, and can't figure out the most basic ideas, could be in charge of anything. A fryer at Mickey D's would be too complex for him to work.
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-05 07:26 PM
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24. ...
“The problem is that the President doesn’t want to make changes,” the source said.

And the REASON he doesn't want to make changes?

Because he has NO freaking clue how to do this job. Hell, even WITH them advising him he's an incompetent boob. Imagine him without them. Just a barely toilet-trained ass not even qualified to be city dogcatcher. That's true now, but the others keep as many people from seeing that.

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ncteechur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-05 07:30 PM
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25. Like he could make a freakin' decision on his own anyhow.
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-05 07:32 PM
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26. I guess that explains why he was watching the news!
Heard he watched the first 20 minutes of Fitz's press conference all by himself with no help from Andy Card.
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-05 07:35 PM
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28. “The problem is that the President doesn’t want to make changes,”
That's the problem with having a coward and an AWOL for president.

Bush was never a real leader, but a follower. Afraid to trust his own judgment. Probably because the important times in his life that he did try doing things his way, he blew it. Karl created the image we see as G W Bush, he produced and directed him. Bush is just an actor that is of such poor quality, he can't even remember his lines.
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Vogon_Glory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-05 07:50 PM
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29. I Don't Trust Buckaroo Bush, And I Don't Trust
I don't trust Buckaroo Bush and I don't trust the Bushwah allegedly originating from the White House. I feel that we American citizen-voters have been lied to so long and so often by this crew that their say-so (And I used the phrase say-so on purpose, instead of saying their word) can't be taken at face value.
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Little Star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-05 07:54 PM
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30. Shrub sure is slow on the uptake ain't he?
With friends like he's got who needs enemies. But they can all swagger. :nopity:
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-05 08:29 PM
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38. Poor bush, everyone around
him is Rotten except, of course, him. he NEVER does anything wrong..he just hides under the bed or sits in the corner and DROOLS.
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-05 08:52 PM
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41. Welcome to DU!
Help us

Visualize IMPEACHMENT!!!!!!!!!

And then go DO something about it.

As DUer Class Warrior would say - NGU - Never Give Up!

Especially when the assholes are on the ropes.
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C_U_L8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-05 07:55 PM
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31. No One Left To Blame
except himself
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ignatius 2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-05 08:23 PM
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34. Oh well,he can always listen to that voice in his head. You know the
one with a tail,red eyes and horns. Whose your real daddy,Georgie?
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-05 08:28 PM
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35. And when did these
three top aids come to the conclusion that bush couldn't carry his own water? Or hunt for his bananas?
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carolinalady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-05 08:29 PM
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36. What a crock of shit. Did this JUST happen? He's known for
2 years what was going down. I guess that comment is for the uneducated kool-aid drinkers that don't watch the news.
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NNadir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-05 08:29 PM
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37. He'd better watch it, or they'll slap him around and tell him to shut up.
This wimp isn't allowed to "have confidence." He's nothing without his handlers. He is and always has been a coward and a fraud.
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-05 08:35 PM
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39. The must not be talking about the Chimp

He doesn't even know what planet he is on.

They are just trying to keep him afloat.

Sad.
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two gun sid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-05 08:55 PM
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42. Thousands of US and Iraqi dead and maimed and he's...
just starting to lose confidence in his team of advisors? What a complete and utter failure we have as President.
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TNMOM Donating Member (735 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-05 08:57 PM
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43. Distancing himself from the crime... won't work this time
Sounds like thuglican spin to me.
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-05 09:03 PM
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45. OMG!!!!....Lost confidence my ass!!!...He's actually quite cocky.
After all praise Libby as a great American is a joke.

I like Chris Rocks description the most....

Bush is like a GANGSTER!!!
(In reference to Katrina he said, my god, he(*)instead of ditching
us he could have blown us all up)
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Neil Lisst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-05 09:07 PM
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46. Ha!! As predicted HERE ten days ago ...


That was my comic representation of Cheney getting wind of Bush's thoughts of letting Cheney take the fall.

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SlavesandBulldozers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-05 09:14 PM
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47. Puppy losing faith in Master.. . .
. . . tugs on leash emphatically. . . .Developing.
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Inland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-05 09:35 PM
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49. "I'm shocked, shocked to discover......" nt
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springhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-05 10:42 PM
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50. Okay...........
Who on earth believes this shit? They just want everyone to think he had no knowledge of the leak, but he is in it up to his eyeballs.
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-05 10:49 PM
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51. I think Rove needs to go
whether he's indicted or not. Shrub really should clean house. By doing this, I think it would make Shrub seem like he's taking this matter seriously.
I don't this is going to happen though.
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 12:25 AM
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56. Another one of *'s faith based initiatives goes down the drain n/t
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 12:31 AM
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57. bogus, bogus, bogus!
Disinformation designed to make Bush look like the victim of his staffers.

Complete bogusness.
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 07:46 AM
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60. That's exactly...
... what I was thinking. Bush** feels the heat, he needs to distance himself from these evil-doers.
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Enraged_Ape Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 07:46 AM
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59. Isn't that like Henrietta Pussycat losing faith in Mister Rogers?
How can a puppet lose faith in its puppeteer?

What a crock of shit.
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Julius Civitatus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 07:47 AM
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61. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
:rofl:
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CJCRANE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 08:34 AM
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63. Veteran DUers
know that it takes a long time for the (blatantly obvious) truth to play out in the media, and for political and legal wheels to turn.

A lot of it depends on when Rove is indicted. In terms of stability it's better to get the Libby indictment out of the way, let Cheney take the fallout and be replaced by a competent VP. Then when Rove is indicted later on and confidence in * plummets there will be some-one to take over the POTUS when *'s inevitable fall comes (and prevent a power vacuum/constitutional crisis).


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