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hiaasenrocks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 09:53 PM
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re: "Democrats overplay hand in Libby indictment"
This was an article linked here earlier today, regarding a DNC statement on the Libby indictment, CIA leak case ("Worse Than Watergate").

Here's the original thread: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x5227164

In the article the writer says:
“Libby was known to have been part of a group of White House officials that included Deputy White House Chief of Staff Karl Rove, Deputy National Security Advisor Stephen Hadley, White House Chief of Staff Andrew Card, and Press Secretary Scott McClellan who were charged with selling the Bush Administration's rationale for the Iraq war to the American people.”

Huh? Rove, Hadley, Card and McClellan have been “charged” with something? How did I miss this?


So I send him an email, explaining what "charged with" means in this case ("assigned to do something") and that it has nothing to do with criminality. I even gave him examples of how this phrase is used.

And I stopped there. That's ALL I said about his article.

He writes back with this!
I can't believe you don't understand that different people have different interpretations of these statements.

1) The entire subject matter of the DNC offering is "legal" indictments of Bush Administration officials. It is more than reasonable to interpret that the statements made in that context regarding the same subject, "legal" proceedings, are used in that context. The word "charged" is a very common "legal" term for someone "legally" accused of a crime.

2) The headline of the piece is "Worse than Watergate". The text of the piece then goes on to describe how Plame-gate is worse than Watergate, in the twisted minds of democrats, who clearly use a multitude of untrue statements intended to mislead the reader into believing their new campaign mantra about some DNC invented "culture of corruption". Surely you are not saying that Dean was suggesting Libby's mis-statements about dates to reporters is an act "worse the Watergate", are you? So why would someone interpret their words in any other context than that which they clearly intended? Dean tried to paint a picture of a "culture of corruption" and used a bunch of outright lies in that effort. No?

3) I didn't put a single word in their mouths and it wasn't just Dean. You have not commented at all about Reid's call for a Rove (who was accused of no wrong doing at all by the two year old investigation team) resignation. Nor did you comment about Dodd's idiot comment about how criminal investigations shouldn't be limited to investigating criminal activity....??? (You were at least smart enough to leave these two alone)

However, you have put several words in their mouths and made several assumptions and liberal interpretations of what you think they "meant to say". So who is doing the distorting here??? Who has a comprehension problem? Which of us is having trouble with the English language?

But let me tell you what I find most entertaining......

Like Dean, Reid and Dodd, and millions of other liberals, you read or heard these following words and "interpreted" that Bush was trying to blame Hussein and Iraq for the events of 9/11.... thereby, lying the American people into war in Iraq...

"Americans have many questions tonight. Americans are asking, "Who attacked our country?" The evidence we have gathered all points to a collection of loosely affiliated terrorist organizations known as al Qaeda. They are some of the murderers indicted for bombing American embassies in Tanzania and Kenya and responsible for bombing the USS Cole. Al Qaeda is to terror what the Mafia is to crime. But its goal is not making money, its goal is remaking the world and imposing its radical beliefs on people everywhere."

These are the actual words of George W. Bush in the joint session of congress on September 20, 2001. Does this sound like a man desperate to connect Iraq to the events of 9/11???

I can go on through every Administration statement, one by one and completely disprove every allegation that the Bush Administration lied us into Iraq. But would that change your "interpretation" of what they said?

You liberals are the ones who believe in "broad liberal interpretations" that suit your agenda. My interpretation of these words in questions were not broad at all really, taken pretty much at face value. Yet you accuse me of misinterpreting those words....

Interesting!


JB Williams
Political Writer
www.JB-Williams.com


:wtf:

I addressed one specific point about his article and look at the talking-points and wandering nonsense he sends back. Obviously this guy has way too much time on his hands. Notice the straw-man ("Surely you aren't saying..."). Brilliant!

This guy needs a good DU schooling. His email address is jbw@jb-williams.com.

Or maybe I gave him more attention in one day than he gets in a whole month, or maybe a year. Just thought some of you might need a good laugh tonight!



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Catch22Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 09:58 PM
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1. I'm not gonna waste my time on a professional hack
It's the people who actually HAVE some shread of hope that are worthwhile.

However, he said he'd go through every * statement? I'd like to see how he handles the SOTU address with the outright LIE that was in there.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 09:58 PM
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2. "Charged with" in this context means accused of, I'm thinking. nt
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Burried News Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 10:03 PM
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3. I got a similar evassion from Senator Burr (NC)
Threw in everything but the kitchen sing as to why he agreed with attack on Iraq.

This is the position they are in - so I enjoy watching them spin:

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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 10:06 PM
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4. We want very much for the nightmare to be over. It is human to hope.
For normalcy, for security, for a government WHO HAS YOUR BACK - who isn't against you.
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unblock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 10:10 PM
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5. following the links from the original article, we get to:
(emphasis mine)

http://www.democrats.org/a/2005/10/timeline_activi.php

According to news reports, special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald is considering bringing criminal conspiracy charges against a group of senior Bush Administration officials involved in the Plame case – once again bringing the White House Iraq Group to the forefront of the investigation. This group, which was formed in August of 2002, was developed in order to sell the Iraq war to Congress and the American people. Members included Karl Rove, Karen Hughes, Mary Matalin, James Wilkinson, Nicholas Calio, Condoleezza Rice, Stephen Hadley, and I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby. However, in addition to actively promoting the President's agenda, the group also worked to discredit anyone who openly disagreed with the President's plan, including Plame's husband, former Ambassador Joseph Wilson. To date, at least six of the eight members of WHIG have been called to testify in front of the grand jury. It is becoming increasingly clear that members of the White House Iraq Group are intimately involved in the Plame leak scandal.

...

august, 2002

card creates white house iraq group (whig)

Card Formed White House Iraq Group To Formulate Strategy To Sell Iraq War to American People. "Systematic coordination began in August, when Chief of Staff Andrew H. Card Jr. formed the White House Iraq Group, or WHIG, to set strategy for each stage of the confrontation with Baghdad. A senior official who participated in its work called it "an internal working group, like many formed for priority issues, to make sure each part of the White House was fulfilling its responsibilities." The group met weekly in the Situation Room. Among the regular participants were Karl Rove, the president's senior political adviser; communications strategists Karen Hughes, Mary Matalin and James R. Wilkinson; legislative liaison Nicholas E. Calio; and policy advisers led by Rice and her deputy, Stephen J. Hadley, along with I. Lewis Libby, Cheney's chief of staff."

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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 10:11 PM
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6. Ask him who HE thinks "Official A" is
Was it Card? Ari? Snotty? Condi?

There is a "cancer on the pResidency" and everyone and his dog know who "Official A" is.

And on his "style"...it seems like conservatives are clearly tortured by whether Al-Qaeda is in league with Saddam's regime. The smart ones aren't, and they're spinning themselves into absurdity.


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melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 10:11 PM
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7. Never try to teach a pig to sing
It wastes your time and annoys the pig.
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jaxx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 10:15 PM
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8. He got a chance to give you the whole spin.
Do you spose he typed with one hand while the other one was......well you get the point. :rofl:
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