Has Kerry or Hillary said anything on this?

I'm sure they knew it was coming. I can't see them not knowing.

they continue to straddle the fence about the war, making us look like assholes. The "MSM" has had a wonderful time bringing this up the last 30 minutes.

Wow! Not. He should have done it before the election instead of getting himself cornered by the right.

facts. wtf

but your unconditional love for Kerry is rearing its ugly head. :eyes:

isnt said. then when called to your attention it is said, you dismiss. where is mine an unconditional love to yours an unconditional dismissal and non fact

you tell a story and then blame me when i point out what you say isnt true.

Now is when he thinks we have hit the wall in Iraq, the wall of diminishing returns. Now is when he thinks it's time to pull out. Saying it before the election wouldn't have been honest with where he thought we should be. He had a difference of opinion with you, apparently. Would you have preferred he pandered to your wishes instead of following what he thought was right?

Because bitching about the past when he has already made his transformation makes one sound...petty and looking for a reason to bitch.

You have to at least give a person credit for switching opinions, or there is no point in switching when the facts become clearer. Bush is the one who does that.

He took forever to make his switch, fine, but he has made it and deserves our support for it...so lay off. Kerry is one of the top 10 senators we have...I know, I analyzed his votes.

It pays to do one's homework.

would have voted for an anti-war candidate.Kerry believed he did the right thing back in 2003. Give the guy a break. Wake up an realize that the anti-war feelings last year were remote at best and only a small minority were supporting this viewpoint. Gee, let me guess, your guy didn't make it past the primaries last year and it was all Kerry's fault.

and called for hearings that Kerry has been calling for months now.

too hard...

They are trying to claim there is no Dem plan when there is.

STOP HELPING THEM.

Don't blame your gullibility on Kerry. He had a plan to start bringing troops home this past summer. If you didn't know it's because you got your news from the wrong places.

My only point is that the "MSM" loves to circulate those talking points because Kerry and Clinton still refuse to back off their vote.

He apologized last week for his part in the fubar that is Iraq. He suggested a timetable for pulling out. He got some publicity for it as well.

I'm sorry but the statement you just made is patently false.

Oh sorry. I must have missed the part where you were made the judge of what is right or wrong. Anyway. :eyes:

One is an opinion and you are entitled to yours.

The other relates to facts and you are NOT entitled to your facts. Kerry has said his vote was the wrong vote.

:eyes:

Why ARE you rolling your eyes? You have made an untrue statement. It can be demonstrated that you have made an untrue statement. I didn't say you were right or wrong. You are just mistaken. You said that Kerry, by his position, is making us look like assholes. Knowing the facts might help you to not have that statement boomerang back at you.

Ignoring facts and not admitting when one has made a mistake is a trait I expect out of our glorious leader, not people on my own side.

Just pretend that the speech last week made by Kerry was made by somebody else, somebody you like more maybe, and you might see that it was a good one, and not one supporting the war by ANY means.

I have never denied that. What I was stating was that the "MSM" was blasting him and Hillary for continuing to stand behind their VOTE! I didnt even know that this was even a issue because I have essentially stopped watching the "MSM" since the election. It pissed me off and I posted my comment. It was not a mistake since neither one have come out and apologized for their vote. Now, it is obvious that you and I do not agree and no matter what I say is going to satisfy your view, so I am done with trying to explain my side. Have a good night and a great holiday season.

You are still making false statements.

I can go pull out the quote if you like.

I don't give a fuck what the MSM says. They are not as liberal as they pretend.

The fucking vote was two years ago. At least one of these people has apologized TWICE for his vote. How many more times will he have to do it before SOMEBODY FUCKING NOTICES.

Have a blessed holiday yourself.

See post #37.

If you would.

They're not here, you are. Kerry has tried to bring the focus to Bush and his lies since 2003 when the 16 words first came out. He has always said he wouldn't have gone to war. Sorry you listened to the spin. They wouldn't be able to get away with it if people like you didn't repeat it.

A few Democrats still support the war, Clinton & Lieberman come to mind. Some Republians don't support the war, Buchanan and that Congressman in S Carolina come to mind. It isn't a problem for them that every single person in their party doesn't support the war. Why is differences of opinion a problem for Democrats????

http://www.johnkerry.com/pressroom/speeches/spc_2005_10_26.html

This isnt an apology.

I understand that as much as we might wish it, we can’t rewind the tape of history. There is, as Robert Kennedy once said, ‘enough blame to go around,’ and I accept my share of the responsibility

http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/121003A.shtml

From our esteemed Mr. Pitt.

In this section, he says his vote was a mistake


Here he apologizes:




And then last week, he took responsibility for his part of the beginning of the Iraq War.

We could get him an olive switch if it's not enough yet.

LOL! No need for an olive switch. Sometimes I just get so frustrated with him. I donated over $1000 and countless hours pounding the pavement to get this man elected. I just wish he would have taken responsibility and raised a stink sooner so our brave soldiers dont have to die for this farce. I will apologize for being hard on Kerry, but not Hillary. She is beginning to turn GOP light, and that is frightening in itself.

With all that is going on, what is she focussing on? Video games. Sheesh!

:hug: :D

:hug: :D

"who gives a crap"

I don't know what your major malfunction is, I really don't. The hatred is completely irrational. John Kerry did not start this war. He did not lie to you. In fact, you have lied about him and his plan to get us out of this war which helped Bush get elected. So you can now share in the responsibility for every death, every day, until this war ends. He's admitted his responsibility, will the left ever admit theirs??

I donated over $1000 and a lot of man hours pounding the pavement to get this man elected. I do not have hatred for him, just disappointment. Ignored.

I don't understand why the Kerry haters didn't realize that voters could smell their contempt a mile away. Or that not knowing the truth of what his plans were, mattered. And that the truth of what Democrats are doing right now, every day, still matters.

It takes a special kind of hatred to write "who gives a crap" a full year later. That continued negativity will kill us next year too. If you're walking around with it, save your money at least.

said it was wrong and said he was mislead.

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1. called for Roberts and the Intelligence Committee to complete their investigation, the one they've been dragging their feet on, the one that Reid just also called for them to complete, considering they're about a year late in starting Phase II. I love Reid's touch in saying that he will call for a closed session every day until they do it. I heart the Stormin' Mormon.

2. called for a pullout of the troops to start this Christmas and end by next Christmas, at which time all should be out. In case you missed his speech last week, he also threw in a mea culpa re: his part in voting for the war.

So I think he's learned from his mistakes.

I also think that you are just a wee bit late.

A good chunk this Christmas and the rest by next Christmas. Did you not see his speech last week? It was a good one.

Of course they knew. What do you think the democratic Senate luncheons are for?

I am sure that Reid organized all that, who was going to speak, ...

:eyes:

No they have not spoken. I have no idea what is the agreement between Reid and the other senators, but I am sure that who will speak or not is very precise.

Kerry will speak if he is asked to. If they have decided he should not, he will not.

Thanks.

some get very ancy when these two are brought up!

Sorry if it was not your intention, but some people here are ready to use everything to be divisive on issues where we should be united.

This is the time for us all to be united with the dems. They are doing the job!

that Roberts shot down as unnecessary.

Remember, there were nine other senators who did sign that letter with Kerry and Durbin was one of them.

And Wilson and Kerry are very close, so I imagine they are all involved in the background. They just needed Fitz to make a move so they could make their move. If they had done this before, I can see how the press would have spun it to mess up and taint Fitzgerald's investigation.

And it's nice to see the repubs put on the defensive for a change!

Kerry brought this up back in June,

The American people took the warnings that the administration sounded seriously-warnings that were echoed at the United Nations and here in Congress as we voted to give the president the authority to go to war. For the sake of our democracy and our future national security, the public must know whether such warnings were driven by facts and responsible intelligence, or by political calculation.

These issues need to be addressed with urgency. This remains a dangerous world, with American forces engaged in Iraq and Afghanistan, and other challenges looming in Iran and North Korea. In this environment, the American public should have the highest confidence that policy makers are using intelligence objectively-never manipulating it to justify war, but always to protect the United States. The contents of the Downing Street Memo undermine this faith and only rigorous Congressional oversight can determine the truth.

We urge the committee to complete the second phase of its investigation with the maximum speed and transparency possible, producing, as it did at the end of Phase I, a comprehensive, unclassified report from which the American people can benefit directly.

Sincerely,

John Kerry

Co-signers: Sens. Tim Johnson, Jon Corzine, Jack Reed, Frank Lautenberg, Barbara Boxer, Edward Kennedy, Thomas Harkin, Jeff Bingaman, Richard Durbin



http://downingstreetmemo.com/6-22-05-letter.html

statement.

That's all I've got, he may be in the closed session.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x5232875

Statement by John Kerry on Closed-Door Senate Session and Senate Failures to Investigate Pre-War Intelligence

“For a year and a half, the Republican leadership in Congress has refused again and again to complete Phase II of their investigation into pre-war intelligence failures. All the requests I and other Senators have made of the Intelligence Committee for more information have been pushed aside. The Republican leadership has been complicit in a political cover-up of the decisions that led to war. Nothing could be more serious or more deserving of full public disclosure. The families of our troops deserve the truth, as does every American. Now that one of the chief architects of the war in Iraq has been indicted for related crimes, it is more important than ever to know how intelligence was presented to the Congress.

“The country and the Congress were misled into war. It is deeply troubling that the Republicans in Washington are so afraid to share the truth with the American people. Clearly it will require an independent, outside investigation to get to the bottom of this.”

Not sure why you need to hear from those two specifically.

Why wouldn't two members of the most liberal Senate Dem's (more so then Reid) stand behind him?

and the question as to why Roberts is not doing his job, yes, I would imagine he supports Reid.

SENATOR JOHN KERRY (D-MA): “For a year and a half, the Republican leadership in Congress has refused again and again to complete Phase II of their investigation into pre-war intelligence failures. All the requests I and other Senators have made of the Intelligence Committee for more information have been pushed aside. The Republican leadership has been complicit in a political cover-up of the decisions that led to war. Nothing could be more serious or more deserving of full public disclosure. The families of our troops deserve the truth, as does every American. Now that one of the chief architects of the war in Iraq has been indicted for related crimes, it is more important than ever to know how intelligence was presented to the Congress.

“The country and the Congress were misled into war. It is deeply troubling that the Republicans in Washington are so afraid to share the truth with the American people. Clearly it will require an independent, outside investigation to get to the bottom of this.”

the human race

for Roberts to do just what Reid called for today: a real investigation of prewar intelligence, the completion of Phase II, the phase that was supposed to have been started a year ago.

He sent out that letter because he's a fucking reptile who doesn't give a shit. He also has tried to get LIHEAP funding into two different bills in the last month so that the poor don't freeze this winter, because, of course, he's a fucking reptile who doesn't give a shit. He called for the pullout of the troops and a timeline for doing so last week because he's a damn reptile who doesn't give a shit about humanity.

Right. Sure. I believe you. Makes PERFECT sense.

:sarcasm:

don't care about the human race.

Frozen pizza. Not as good as takeout, but hell, you get what you pay for. :evilgrin:

Georgetown University.