Dammit folks -- WE WERE RIGHT. The "smart people" are doing mea culpas

To the "majority" of America -- including the "centrist" Democratic hawks, Republican Chickenhawks, terrorized sheeple, belligerent "patriotic" freepers, smart assed lapdog media presstitutes.

WE -- most DUers, millions of demonstrators and anti-war activists, Dennis Kucinich, Howard Dean, the fearless progressive House Democrats and Democratic senators who stood against the war in 2002-03 -- WERE RIGHT....I should also add the majority of the rest of the world who opposed the war.

And now, the same people who marginalized us and ignored us and tried to pat us on our collective heads and say "Trust us, we're the grown ups" are now beginning to scramble all over thermselves to distance themselves from their own arrogent dismissal of our gut instincts.

Sorry, but the segment of America who saw through this from the beginning have earned the right to say something:

"We told You So."

Now will you at least start to listen on other issues, and recognize that maybe we're not as naive and foolish as you thought?

It will always tell you what is REALLY true.I cannot tell you how many times this has saved me..........

He has lied his entire life. no need to parse his speeches, search for meaning. Its all lies, his lackies lie, his wife lies, his dog don't hunt.

lobbyists, etc... thats the crime of it. Our politicians need to represent the people...as they finally decided to do today! Listen to the constituents! Its nice to see that the Dems still have a sturdy spine!

Nope, some people called it. They called why the war was bad, they called the assertions of WMD weak, they called the correct policy of continuing inspections.

Scott Ritter. Howard Dean.

And they were attacked, sneered at, marginalized.

The country made the mistake of trusting Bush. He was wrong. The country paid for it. And it's time that we stopped following the WRONG guy, stopped letting him LIE to us, stopped letting him marginalize and attack the guys who are right and started doing things RIGHT.

I wonder, what would our nomination process been like if we hadn't fallen for the Repugnik Media's definition of "Electable"?

But "electable" or not, Dean was right. As was Kucinich.

Dont tell the other side. They always think they are right!

a decade to fix it. We'd better start planning a long term strategy.

We told you so, you crow-eating motherfuckers.

When I think back on how frustrating it was to feel like the kid in the fable of the Emperor's New Clothes, grrrrrr.

...when I'm right.

;)

And I got a Barrel-full of "I told you so"s just waiting to get emailed out to my bushbot friends and family.

I'm not above saying 'I told you so' right before I say, "NOW can we start working together?"

It's time to assert ourselves.

We were right.

that sticks in my throat. How COULD THEY HAVE IGNORED US FOR SO LONG...and their OWN FELLOW SENATORS tried to warn them. Byrd (comparing us to the Romans for hours and hours on Senate Floor), Kennedy who warned about all of it "Gulf of Tonkin Resolution" supporting Byrd and debating with War Haw Warner, Feingold who gave impassioned speeches trying to stop us from Invading...urging to let the "Sanctions Work Longer."

Now Reid becomes a DU Darling? Maybe Hillary will join in? Obama? (we can't blame Obama...he wasn't involved in this)

Whatever...I'm so glad REID TOOK A STAND! Tom Daschle for sure NEVER SUPPORTED the "above mentioned Senators."

Good for him...but Credit needs at some point to be given where it's due. :-(

This is good news. Dunno what the future holds, but for now we ought to just kick back and bask in some well-earned self-righteous justification for a few minutes. :)

If you were a good leader (anyone who is saying that), you would have convinced the rest of the US of the same. You didn't, and that is on you. So stop being a weak Dem and start fighting for what you know to be right instead of what you knew what was right when others didn't.

I can't stand the "I told you so" attitude of some Dems. It is a weak position.


Are you going to tell the guys with the nukes "I told you so" after the world is destroyed?

I'm not a good leader. If I was, I'd be a leader.

But as a member of the great unwashed massses who opposed this, and after enduring the arrogent condescention of those who claim to "know more" only to be now vindicated, we deserve to say I told you so.

Immature and petty, perhaps, but so what? This is a message board.

that the hawks refused to take their blinders off and actually look at the evidence presented for the war. Those damn anti-war activists are the ones who got us into this mess alright. x(

Everyone here tried to spread the word untill we were blue in the face. We failed. That does not mean there is *necisarily* anything else we could have done. Saying we are weak for enjoying the moment of the idiots we tried so hard to warn finaly realizing that we were right is silly.
Yes the 'I told you so' position is one of ego gratification... but it can also be a starting point to say, gee, perhapse you should listen to us, we are sometimes right.

in any event, the Senate hawks didn't convice us of the goodness or necessity of Iraqnam, so by those rules they en't our leaders

I had some misgivings, but in the end, before the invasion, I repeated it all again. I made a point of making sure they would remember.

They rarely discuss it now around me because they know I was right all along and it drives them batshit crazy :evilgrin:

They used to marginalize me because they thought I was some damn extreme lefty wacko. Not anymore.

I do have to say this. Almost a year and a half ago I wondered if I was the only one who felt and thought the way I did when it came to bush, his administration and the repukes. I was starting to believe I was truly a minority in this country when it came to issues like abortion, social justice and equal rights, just to name a few. Al Franken's book, 'Lies' brought me to DU...not by his recommendation, but he got me moving my butt to search and I found DU.

I'm not alone in my feelings and beliefs anymore. I don't think I can ever express how much it means to have DU where I can discuss and learn from others here.

Thank You, DU.

I love it when we can drive wingnuts batshit crazy - it always makes like rainbows at the end of a rainy day. ;)

or will it take 2 years for that to sink in. Everything about GWB
is about lies and deception.

...retribution at the ballot box ('cause they have owned them and think they still do) would govern with such arrogance, without any sense of the need for compromise and with such a right-ward tilt that they're at risk of falling over.

If we can get the truth of the stolen election(s) out there and insist on voter-verified paper ballots, mandatory random manual audits and NO wireless capability in our voting machines, we can run these Rethugs back under the rocks from whence they came.

Whoever came up with the idea of allowing private companies to count our votes in secret using software we cannot even examine deserves a seat in the deepest, darkest pit in hell.

R. Doug Lewis -- your pit is waiting. And it's large enough for your fat ass.

I can almost see the winner take all and kick butt attitude that
has pervaded our elected officials, hope they're really proud of
what they wrought in New Orleans.

"I TOLD YA SO" INDEED!!!!!!!!!

I took SO much SHIT for not being a suck ass to this INSANE Iraq War for OIL PROFIT, and I tried and tried to get thru to people, BUT NO! Then finally, they started to see cracks of light. They saw Howard Stern yanked from 6 Crap Channel stations, in a disgusting blatant afront to Free Speech cuz HE came around and stopped supporting this bullshit...they saw Plame and Wilson...they saw Farenheight 9/11 (speling bee damed!)...they read "Lies And Lying Liars", and "Dude Where's My Country"...they tuned into Randi Rhodes (who I'd been listening to for 10 DAMN YEARS ALREADY!) and Air America...they saw 1,000 dead US soliders and countless others (Iraq civilians and other soliders from other nations)...then 1,500, AND NOW 2000+...and they saw Chimpy and his fake damn flightsuit bogus landing...and they saw the fake turkey too!

NOW WE COME TO THE PAY OFF BITCH!!!!!!

Let's hope this is THE straw that broke the camel's back!

Lu

Edit: Spelinng fixx atempt & additional ammo added!!!

Know how you feel ~ having been vilified by rightwingers for so long for refusing to support this war.

Well, it's OUR turn now! And I could feel it in my bones the day these sons of bitches stole the vote in 2000 that some day they'd get theirs, if anything, a pay back for trying to bring down Bubba for a damn BJ! But now, this is just BEYOND MONUMENTAL. 3000 dead from 9/11 and countless other "terra" attacks, most of which COULD have been twarted..., 2000+ dead US soldiers and countless Iraqi civilians & soliders from other countries...and on and on, NOW THIS SHIT IS KNEE DEEP Y'ALL. And it's OVERDUE that the Dems got on the stick here and FINALLY took the gloves off and gave Frist a protology exam he'll NEVER forget! RAM IT IN AND BREAK IT OFF...DEEP!
The memories of the fallen implore it...

Lu Cifer, did we all have a happy Halloween!? I'm sure glad the repukes got a TRICK *AND* A TREAT TODAY!!!!!!!!!!!! HUUUUUUUUUURRRRRRRRR!!!!!!

front and center on that list.

He actually TOLD the HASC - under oath - that there was no need to go into this war.

But, yes - we, the smart people, knew all along. :applause:

> "...arrogent dismissal of our gut instincts." emphisis added
Sorry but I have to dissagree on the gut instincts part. Before the war my gut instinct was that Sadam was likely hiding WMD and presented a threat etc.
So...
I looked into the availible facts. Did a bunch of digging down to primary sorces (full inspctor reports etc.). Working scientificaly (basing my conclusions on availible evidence) I was discovered that he was a threat to nobody and likely had nothing left of his chem+bio weaposn and had definately shelved any nuclear plans indefinately.

That was just poking around on the 'internets' in my spare time. My conclusions were not based on gut-instinct but on real research.

IMO if someone wants to dismiss gut instinct... more power to them. Gut instinct is what tells you the world is flat. But what I can't excuse is willfull ignorance and dismissal of views based on availible evidence.

I do total agree with the 'I told you so' statement.

Frigin morons... WE TOLD YOU SO!

There was so much information and disinformation being thrown around on all sides of the issue that at some point people did have to rely on their gut instinct as to which position was right and which side to trust.

I must admit that occasionally my own gut instinct gave me the counter feeling that maybe those were right who were saying "Trust us. He is dangerous because of things we know but can't tell you." But the more I heard the grasping at straws they were doing to claim they "knew" there were WMDs the more my own instincts said "They're making stuff up.'

But regardless of the path we took, we were right. that's what counts.

I did have a little more research time than most. Probobly 2 hours a day average.
But I have to disagree. In most cases I was able to get actual factual information.

I never said he definately didn't have any. In fact I was mildly suprised when we found exactly nothing. I figured there would be a few more shells laying around etc.

But the info was there. Just hard to locate. The M$M owes us their colective FCC licences over that. They should have been doing the research I was.

I also include the MSM in the list of those who were wrong. It was painful to watch them regurgitate misinformation.

We should NEVER be afraid to say that we were right!

"I told you so" (Gore Vidal once wrote that they were the most important words in the English langauge, or something to that effect). I too, like so many other DUers, did my homework AND trusted my intuition. I (we) were correct. This was a bogus war based on bogus, twisted and cooked intelligence.

number of ME experts amd generals,including Powell before he whored himself,who were against this war of choice.

Not to mention the PNAC reports which was a blueprint of what these asswipe neocons had planned and words from RichardClarke who told us immediately after 9-11,Bush shrugged off Al Qaeda and was looking for reasons to bring Iraq into the picture.

Remember Rummy on 9-11 telling intelligence to spread a wide web,bring it all in related and not.

Many reports,analyses and signs for anybody who really cared to look into the situation. The problem was so many people were still terrorized and rattled by 9-11,that they didn't think and wanted so hard to believe in their leaders includig the belief that they would protect us.Sadly,these people were catalysts for this death trap of a war that we are all fucking stuck with.

We knew, we had studied and made that decision long ago. It made no sense and hey, we can spot a liar from a long ways away.

I would wager that a good many of us here knew when this little sob was selected that we would be here at this point. Of course he was lying and his "team" was lying. Have they ever been honest?

cabinet I asked my husband how soon would we be at war?

:shrug:

by manipulating the media -- which is how they got to here IN THE FIRST PLACE.

They are unteachable.