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Touchdown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 02:29 PM
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e-mail exchange with a friend who sends RW spam.
He sends me this. A list of stupid quotes from famous people (like Mariah Carrey talking about skinny kids in Africa, wishing she could be that slim). Thinking it's a nice diversion from a day at work. He really does think this crap is innocent, and he's not political at all.

Right winger's insipid edits included....


"I'm not going to have some reporters pawing through
our papers. We are the president." (we are????)
--Hillary Clinton commenting on the release of subpoenaed documents.
````````````````````````````````````````````````````
"That lowdown scoundrel deserves to be kicked to death

by a jackass, and I'm just the one to do it,"

--A congressional candidate in Texas.
``````````````````````````````````
"It isn't pollution that's harming the environment. It's

the impurities in our air and water that are doing it."

--Al Gore, Vice President (DUH !) and he wanted to be
----------------------------------------------------
President!!!!!!!!!
"If we don't succeed, we run the risk of failure."

(really???????)

--Bill Clinton, President
``````````````````



"We are ready for an unforeseen event that

may or may not occur."

--Al Gore, VP (Gee but he's smart)


And the list goes on...

SO I reply back with this...

See, this is the perfect example of a right wing hack changing facts to fit his purpose. Who ever originated this, and I'm not saying it's XXXX, but he should know too, is a liar. To wit.

The two quotes attributed to Al Gore (with the snarky "and he wanted to be President?" comments added in) were actually said by REPUBLICAN Vice President Dan Quayle.

To take something fun when people misspeak and turn it around and make it a liberal/Democrat bashing piece of spam is the height if idiocy. Do they really think nobody would research this shit they spew? Do me a favor, Call your friend XXXX, and ask who's sending him this shit, and I can tear them a new asshole. You have a Kool-Aid drinker in your e-mail pool. Send me more to debunk!

Republican gaffes conveeeeeeeeeniently missing from this hatchet-job are...

"Republicans understand the importance of bondage between a
mother and child. "
-Former U.S. Vice-President Dan Quayle on Republican family values

"I know how important it is to have food on your family."
-Governor George W. Bush in the 2000 campaign

"Without censorship, things can get terribly confused in the
public mind."
-General William Westmoreland

Things are more like they are now than they ever were before."
-Former U.S. President Dwight D. Eisenhower

"It is necessary for me to establish a winner image. Therefore, I
have to beat somebody."
- Richard M. Nixon

"If you've seen one Redwood tree, you've seen them all"
-Forestry expert Ronald Reagan

"The internet is a great way to get on the net"
-Republican presidential candidate Bob Dole

"It's no exaggeration to say that the undecideds could go one way
or another."
--George H. W. Bush, US President

"I have opinions of my own -strong opinions- but I don't always
agree with them."--George H. W. Bush, US President

"I was under medication when I made the decision to burn the tapes."
--Richard Nixon, US President

"I was provided with additional input that was radically different
from the truth. I assisted in furthering that version."
--Colonel Oliver North, from his Iran-Contra testimony

Wow! I do feel smarter now!


Then he writes back...

I really love sending you this propaganda. You get so bent out of shape and your logic is of course politically correct. You need to not take things so seriously, or I will be coming to Denver because you had a heart attack. You need to lighten up and enjoy the crap that is out there for what it is and not what it appears to be. You have a good day and I will talk to you later.

So I have to explain to him a few things...

You got me wrong. I'm enjoying the hell out of this. The person who sent this to you is stupider than those he quoted, because he thinks he got away with it. An easy tip off is the standard "Send this to everyone you know. If you don't agree, delete it." Why? Because they are looking for more voters and need to astroturf their lies in order to dupe people? Why should I delete it? Because they can't handle the truth? Doesn't fit into their easy little worldview that Repubs are pure, beautiful and white, and all Dems are evil, stupid and corrupt? E-mails with FACTS in them don't need encouragement for agreement like these do. Debunking is a way for me to get satisfaction for outwitting them.

Now, what does piss me off is that they send this shit out there, pretending that it's some "innocent little jab at humor" and not meant to be taken seriously, but the right wing is relentless in sending this shit out. After 500 RW lies disguised as e-mail jokes, it's no longer "just a joke", it's demonization, and we have become Pinochet's Chile. There are e-mail spam shops in Virginia that specialize in this type of propaganda.

It passes through a bunch of un-questioning rubes, gets sent to more and more people, and all of the sudden the lies become the truth, and Al Gore "invented the internet"...which he NEVER said. Then, when these people go to the voting booths, they take all these "innocent little jokes" that have been piling up in their heads for a couple of years, mix it in with a few more Rush Limbaugh lies, whatever Fox News tells them, and they vote for record deficits, wars based on lies, college buddy cronies at the head of FEMA, tax cuts for Paris Hilton, anti-gay marriage initiatives and I get a friend who can't afford to quit his job because of outrageous health insurance costs, all because they think that Hillary is a horse's ass without makeup, and Ted Kennedy is a socialist who wants to take their guns away. And...if you think none of this has to do with the government he have, then Babe...we REALLY need to talk. I'm not politically correct, I just don't put up with lies. Call me "Politically Accurate".

I'm having a ball! ...and you should come to Denver anyway.

PS. Admit it. You didn't think this was false when you read it, did you? See what a friend you have in Jes...Touchdown?


Disclaimer- Touchdown is not my real name.:P



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ms liberty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 02:36 PM
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1. Kicked! n/t
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 02:40 PM
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2. I REPLIED ALL with hundreds of BUSHISMS
FROM JUST THIS YEAR
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flamin lib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 02:41 PM
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3. I too firmly believe that the flood of RW hate emails are generated
by the RNC and promolgated through useful idiots.

It retribution I have a list of about 300 email addresses that I send essays and editorials to. Mine are all researched and true.

My goal in life is to receive one of my own missives from a stranger . . .
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ThoughtCriminal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 02:42 PM
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4. "Reply" is Good, "Reply ALL" is better
:evilgrin:
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Touchdown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 02:49 PM
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8. He only sent it to me, besides I don't wish to embarass him.
He is smart enough to delete all previous recipients...unlike my stepdad!:evilgrin:

He's just not paranoid enough to see RW hate when he sees it. Why should he? EVERYBODY pokes fun at Hillary. Bush can't be made fun of though, because he's our Commander in Chief, right?
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benddem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 02:45 PM
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5. When I get these things
I no longer just delete. I answer back correcting the record (as you did) and also since most of the jerks who send this stuff don't know how to send blind and they also send forwards of forwards of Forwards I send the email to everyone who received it. The amount of the crap they invent is truly amazing.
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flamin lib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 03:00 PM
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11. Yeah! I do that too. Reply to EVERYBODY in the header.
I get some pretty intense replies--Who the hell are you? Where'd you get my address?

Then I explain to them that their friend sent the address to me and to a few thousand others, some of whom collect email addresses for sale to spammers. I suggest that they ask their friend to stop forwarding things with their address in the header.
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Nay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 05:30 PM
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22. Me, too. Everyone gets the debunking, not just the sender.
It's amazing how I dropped off all those bullshit mailing lists...the two major offenders, both disgusting RW coworkers, did not learn anything, of course.
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ninkasi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-05-05 08:40 PM
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30. One long time friend
doesn't communicate anymore, because I started sending her corrections posted at Snopes. The kicker, is that she is one of those people who, I'm ashamed to admit, considers herself a Democrat, but is also racist. She was a union member until she retired, and considers Republicans as cronies of the wealthy, but that spark of racism, that meanness of spirit, sometimes emerges.

She is, sadly to say, of of those people who would rather blame their own problems in life on another race, than on right wing policies. She can't get a decent job, but in her mind, it's because we "give ALL of the good jobs to minorities", without realizing that the problem is corporate greed, and exploiting people's desperation for jobs.

The more right wingers keep us divided, the better it is for them. My friend's attitude about race might be just her, but I guess since I've known her for so long, it seems more shameful to me than it would if she were a stranger. The divide is between the haves and the have-nots, and if conservatives wish to consider that "class warfare", so be it. I didn't fire the first shot.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 02:47 PM
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6. Some of those quotes you sent him
were hilarious. Especially Dole and the internet and Poppy Bush and his opinions. WTF is that about??
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Oeditpus Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 02:48 PM
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7. I have an ex-girlfriend who does the same thing
Catapults the propaganda, and when I debunk it, she's all, "Lighten up, it's just a joke" and "Hey, I just forward 'em."

She doesn't see the damage she does. I guess to her and millions of others, it's all just a big football game and a bunch of bumper stickers.
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Historic NY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 02:55 PM
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9. I have a couple of so-called friends that do the same thing......
Edited on Wed Nov-02-05 02:58 PM by Historic NY
I nuked one so bad he decided to forego sending the crap....I then shut him out of my e-mail list so he got my returned to sender mail. I get sizzled because they spew this crap all over w/o thinking. He like to send hoax crap too, apparently he is brain washed in believing chain letters, etc. even when I debunk through snopes or one of the other site. Sometimes there is no hope for these Freeps.
Hum..I will have to remember sending out blind cc's..... Would my email addy showup with them?
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TlalocW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 02:57 PM
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10. My niece sent something like this out over a year ago
When she was in high school. It was more of a general stupid quotes list. It also listed Mariah Carey saying something stupid which she never did. I corrected the misattributed quotes and replied all so it went to her and everyone she sent it to.

An hour later, I get an email from a fellow student of hers who was not on the original list (he probably got my reply forwarded to him from another student) saying he was going to "kick a mudhole" in my chest for saying Reagan and Quayle said those things. I replied back kindly but sarcastically and told him if he didn't like the stupidity displayed by his team, maybe he shouldn't call attention to it or threaten violence against someone for pointing out the truth.

This started a flame war between us which I enjoyed tremendously because I kept my cool throughout while he constantly lost his temper. Plus, he just wasn't very smart (heavy pot smoker according to my niece), and it was easy to argue him into a corner. He kept physically threatening me and demanded to know where I lived. He did a Google search for my name (not very common) and called some poor guy in Milwaukee then emailed me to brag about how he had totally reamed me over the phone. In the meantime, my niece had gotten his phone number for me (just in case), and she had yelled at him in school to leave her uncle alone, that I didn't live in Milwaukee, and I was 3 times his size so he should quit bothering me.

I kept offering to meet him in the town he lived in since I visit there quite often to see family and offered to buy him a Happy Meal at McDonalds before he kicked said mudhole in my chest, but he never took me up on the offer. :)

The weird thing is that he supposedly cleaned up his act a little and for a very short time dated my niece, claiming that someone else was using his email account, and he didn't know about it. He was scared to death to meet me. Alas, I never got the chance.

TlalocW
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Touchdown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 03:39 PM
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14. I got one from my Sister one time
...about school prayer, attributed to Paul Harvey, which he never wrote ...of course.

I replaced all the words "prayer" with "gay sex talk", and asked if they would have no problem with that. I hit reply all.

I get this attack from some kid in the Coast Guard, who demanded to know who I was, how do I know Christie, and threaten something (I forgot) if I ever e-mailed him again.

So I answered back..."I'm Christie's older brother. Who the FUCK are you?" :evilgrin: ...Never got a reply back. She tells me later, that they dated in HS and it was a bad breakup. I didn't care. She went through boyfriends like pantyhose back then.
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ProudToBeBlueInRhody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 03:10 PM
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12. I love it when they say it's not political.........
....but ALL the quotes are from Democrats. Funny how that happens, huh?
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Touchdown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 03:25 PM
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13. There was one GOP quote. From Dan Quayle.
Big suprise there. They just concede him, even though Chimpy Bush has FAR outstripped Danny-boy in stupid quotes.
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I Have A Dream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-05-05 04:54 PM
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28. Including the Quayle quote was strategic, in my opinion.
I received the same E-mail message, and sarcastically asked if the sender thought that it might have been written by a Republican. He said that it couldnt' be because it included a Quayle quote. Very smart of the person who pulled it together.

(I also explained more things about how there were many misquotes, etc. with examples and how wrong this was, etc.)
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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 03:44 PM
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15. I feel better and that was refreshing!! thank you n/t
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yodermon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 03:54 PM
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16. K&R.
very good!
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Touchdown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 04:09 PM
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17. K&R?
Whatzit?:shrug:
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LisaLynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 04:13 PM
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19. K&R = Kicked and recommended.
Edited on Wed Nov-02-05 04:13 PM by LisaLynne
Which it deserves because that was a brilliant reply. :thumbsup:
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Touchdown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 04:15 PM
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20. Oh' Danke!
:hi:
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 04:13 PM
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18. That explains a lot about conservatives. YOU: Those quotes aren't real
HIM: who cares? It doesn't matter that its a lie! Its cool!


That's exactly why Bush is still even able to poll at 40%
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distantearlywarning Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 04:21 PM
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21. The other thing that explains a lot about conservatives:
You replied with truth and he called it "politically correct logic".

I've noticed this a lot lately - facts = liberal bias in the mind of many conservatives.
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I Have A Dream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-05-05 04:58 PM
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29. That's because we're part of the "reality-based community"...
Edited on Sat Nov-05-05 04:59 PM by I Have A Dream
which the right uses as a epithet.
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The Wielding Truth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 05:41 PM
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23. Beautiful and hurray,T-down! It's lies that Rep's build on and form
their conclusions.Thanks for setting your friend straight.
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EC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 05:56 PM
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24. This one was Bush** not Clinton
If we don't succeed, we run the risk of failure."

(really???????)

--Bill Clinton, President


Just like his "the terrorists never stop trying to think of ways to hurt us, and neither do we" quote (paraphrasing)
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Touchdown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-03-05 09:52 AM
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26. Thanks. I knew he didn't say that.
I just can't remember who did. I should have known just to go with the most likely Repub genius.:eyes:
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-03-05 12:49 AM
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25. This looks to me like the source of that horseshit :
E-mail news: Brain cramps, while the malady lingers on
By JACK BARBER

http://www.cheboygannews.com/articles/2005/10/21/news/opinion/opinion1.txt

The Cheboygan Daily Tribune
308 N. Main Street
Cheboygan, MI 49721
(231) 627-7144 - (888) 627-9009
Fax (231) 627-5331

Editor
Rich Adams
rich.adams@cheboygantribune.com

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Touchdown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-03-05 09:57 AM
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27. Oh' that's worse. He got paid to lie.
They are so blatant! I wonder if he got his ass reamed in the LTE over this. Maybe, but I doubt they printed any. I guess that's the way it goes in Bush Country.:puke:
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