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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-05 12:45 PM
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Guy Fawkes-would be terrorist, religious fanatic, or patriote ?
Edited on Fri Nov-04-05 12:46 PM by underpants
I added the e just for the fun of it.

So what say ye?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guy_Fawkes
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-05 12:46 PM
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1. Or suicide bomber. Didn't he die in the attempt?
Give a penny to the guy...
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mrfrapp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-05 12:52 PM
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3. No
He was caught, tortured and then executed for treason.
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BrotherBuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-05 12:50 PM
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2. Some say Guy Fawkes was the last man to enter Parliament...
with honest intentions. :shrug:
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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-05 12:57 PM
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5. Or just one more government patsy?
http://rigorousintuition.blogspot.com/2005/11/peak-fascism.html#comments
The classic case of strategic terrorism of this type is doubtless the Gunpowder Plot of November 5, 1605, a day that is still marked each year in the English calendar as Guy Fawkes’ Day. In 1605 James I Stuart, a Protestant who united in his person the crowns of Scotland and England for the first time, was considering a policy of accommodation with the Spanish Empire, the leading Catholic power. James was also considering some measures of toleration for Catholics in England, where the majority of the landed gentry in the north of the country was still loyal to Rome.

An influential group in London, backed by Venetian intelligence from abroad, wanted to push James I into a confrontation with the Spanish Empire, from which they hoped among other things to extract great personal profit. They also thought it was politically vital to keep persecuting the Roman Catholics. Chief among the war party was the royal chancellor, roughly the prime minister, who was Lord Robert Cecil, the Earl of Salisbury. Cecil set out to convince James I to adopt his policy, and to accomplish this by means of terrorism.

Acting behind the scenes, Cecil cultivated some prominent Catholics, one of them Lord Thomas Percy from the famous Catholic Percy family, and used them as cut-outs to direct the operations of a group of naïve Catholic fanatics and adventurers, among them a certain gullible gentleman named Guy Fawkes. Thomas Percy was supposedly a Catholic fanatic, but in reality was a bigamist. This group of Catholic fanatics hatched the idea first of tunneling into the basement of the Houses of Parliament from a nearby house, and then simply of renting the basement of the Houses of Parliament, in order to pack that basement with explosives for the purpose of blowing up King, Lords, and Commons when James I came to open the Parliament early that November. But instead Guy Fawkes was caught going into the basement the night before the great crime was scheduled to occur.

Fawkes and the rest of the plotters were tortured and hanged, and several Catholic clergy were also scapegoated. James I put aside his plans for toleration of Catholics, and England set out on a century of wars against the Spanish and Portuguese Empires, from which in turn the British Empire was born. Guy Fawkes Day became the yearly festival of “no popery” and hatred for Spain.

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democrat_patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-05 01:11 PM
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6. Remeber, remember the 5th of November...
Gunpowder, Treason and Plot.....



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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-05 01:22 PM
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7. Mod totally misunderstood my previous post, I guess, so here goes:
Mention of Guy Fawkes always sparks "V for Vendetta" memories for me -- maybe the Mod didn't notice the quote lines, or had never heard of the graphic novel, and thought I wanted a Vendetta -- can't figure it out.

In any case, it's a great piece, written by Alan Moore, art by David Lloyd, about a Fawkes-like character in a neocon/fascist Britain, trying to take down the oligarchy...
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BrotherBuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-05 01:36 PM
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8. It was the 'bandwidth exceeded' image that was offensive...
maybe even obscene - but I'm not the judge here. ;)
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-05 01:40 PM
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10. if that's the case, let me be the first to apologize!
But it seemed like a small picture, and when these mystery deletions don't generate any messages to let you know, so you can figure it out next time...

well, it just leaves a fella wondering...
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BrotherBuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-05 01:52 PM
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11. LOL, small picture with many, many hits!
But hey, a million here a million there, pretty soon it adds up to real money, right?

Who said that?
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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-05 01:39 PM
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9. Terrorist and religious fanatic...
Edited on Fri Nov-04-05 01:40 PM by truebrit71
...Without a doubt...

..it is not unreasonable to say that he felt that he and his co-conspirators were persecuted, in all honesty they were, but the means to remedy these ills was drastic to say the least...
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-05 01:55 PM
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12. Thanks for the reminder.
My husband grew up in the Bahamas when it was a British possession. His fondest holiday memories are of Guy Fawkes Day. The kinda memories a kid has of special treats and getting to hang around a fire.

LOL! I'll have to find a card for him. I'll not get bogged into the politics of it. It's just a touchstone to his childhood.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-05 01:57 PM
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13. November 5 is my birthday!
So I've always had a fondness for the Old Guy (well, my Catholicism helped. Heh.)!

Blowing up the King and Parliament? Um, yeah, sounds like terrorism to me! (Thanks to James, though, we got those Puritans he "harried out of the land". Thanks, Jimbo.)
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Lakenheath Donating Member (4 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-05 02:06 PM
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14. Misunderstood for sure.
Yeah, he got a bad rap, he should have never sent that letter to his cousin or whatever. I got kicked out of my English Culture class when I lived in England for expressing my point of view.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-05 02:18 PM
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15. Welcome to DU Lakenheath
:hi:
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-05 05:29 PM
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16. Hi Lakenheath!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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