Why I tend to believe Mark Crispin Miller:

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/connelly/214744_joel07.html?source=rss

COUNTING THE VOTES: Heinz Kerry is openly skeptical about results from November's election, particularly in sections of the country where optical scanners were used to record votes.

"Two brothers own 80 percent of the machines used in the United States," Heinz Kerry said. She identified both as "hard-right" Republicans. She argued that it is "very easy to hack into the mother machines."

"We in the United States are not a banana republic," added Heinz Kerry. She argued that Democrats should insist on "accountability and transparency" in how votes are tabulated.

"I fear for '06," she said. "I don't trust it the way it is right now."


I KNOW Kerry is between a rock and a hard place. I don't know what the easy answer is, but I know we are sad, mad, and tired of being lied to. And this story is not going away. IF there is a more essential topic than this for a political forum, making the votes count-I don't know what it is.

Kerry is afraid to speak the truth. Shame on him. He allowed the election to be stolen and he continues to hamper our efforts.

That said, it would probably be more effective to have other people carry the message.

and I fear John might have gotten a call from Mr Corlione if you get my drift....

Now if there was a gentleman's agreement not to talk about this, well FUCK KERRY... he took an oath, to protect and defend the Constitution and stealing an election qualifies as enemies both foreign and domestic

But it speaks of the diseased democracy we live in, where the people who should be speaking the loudest have been marginalized by a corporate media... and worst.

Oh and such a man who refuses to meet in battle when it is clear one is needed, cannot be trusted with the fate of the nation.

I bet his phone is ringing off the hook

I should think it came up once or twice during dinner. "Hi, pass the salt, by the way, the election had problems." "I know, please pass the steak sauce. I think there was massive fraud."

Kerry might not believe it was stolen, he might believe there was fraud. One is provable , the other is not really. (How do you prove the negative for all the people who didn't vote? There were people turned away or who left because of the long lines. Kerry has spoken about this on numerous occasions.)

the court date for August 2006?

then evolved today to what it concluded with really has me questioning the reporter. i think i will sit back and listen a bet, see what else comes out. things arent feeling right about all this and i know from experience, it isnt often if at all that things are presented in a favorable light for kerry, sometimes to the point of total misrepresentation

We campaigned for him. We cheered him on in the debates. We voted for him to replace Nero.

We gave our all for him. Now he owes us.

All we want is for the Democratic Party to be united on the things that matter most in securing victory in 2006 and 2008. And if it seems that I'm hard on Kerry sometimes, it's because I don't want the victory to be short-circuited by the people who have the respect of the party as a whole.

Perhaps that was not something Kerry wanted him to go blabbing all over town.

Or perhaps Kerry was speaking at least half in jest, and Miller took him seriously and ran with it.

I mean, think about it. Would you want "Hey everybody, I'm investigating behind the scenes! Come and see!" floating around out there?

2006 is coming up really fast. There's not much time left before it's too late. If he's trying to save face so he can run again in 2008 what's to stop it being stolen again if nothing is done

People mostly don't think, as Walt Starr is saying today, that he is the last person who should be out front. They go immediately for "he's saving face for another run."

Maybe he's NOT saving face for another run. And he's STILL not the person who should be out in front of all this.

the thread stays up. question this reporters integrity and the thread disappears

wow. havent seen this on this board before

mostly because I don't read him.

But I do question how he interpreted what he heard. I think he filtered it through what he wanted to hear, and then ran with it. That's my take.

but the whole set up didnt feel right.

i looked really. was surprised it would be pulled, i said so. guess what. wasnt pulled. came back from picking up kids and there it was. sorry for the drama drama

who believes everything happens for a reason. Maybe something happened with this to get the issue out there. Now is the perfect time as well I think. More people are open to listening to Kerry instead of just writing him off or something. Maybe they're retracting it because they wanted it hush-hush until they could come out with a bang. Remember the republicans control everything now. This is the same reason why Reid only told two other democrats about rule twenty-one.

And it's just going to continue to haunt Kerry as it haunts you and I. That's why I don't know what the answer is, I can see both sides-bring it all out or work behind the scenes- but unless it's addressed-many are never going to vote for him anyway(or any Dem for president,I think of all the first time voters, all the miniorties that voting was a trial for-and then this feeling of betrayal)even if the voting issue wasn't a problem-becaue they feel cheated from 2004.

So in a sense, it'a a win-win for Kerry to address it himself and the other scenario is a loss becaue there is not going to be a Democratic chance unless the voting process is fixed. I believe that and I know that he very well may not believe it..but I think he's a fool not to and we KNOW Mrs. Kerry is no fool.

That's why I think this says so much coming from her. And we know she certainly hasn't kept it from him.

and I like him. However, he needs to face the fact that even I (who really like him) do not want him to run again. He doesn't have the backbone of his wife. She would be a stronger candidate. In fact she would be great! He should have fought the good fight instead of conceding and maybe then we would respect him. He is not strong enough to carry this country on his shoulders. He should have listened to all of us and his running mate and fought! You could play poker with John is is so predictable. And I like him. Imagine if I didn't.

:-(

Kerry may have spoken too freely at the time.

Yes, I think he feels this way, yes I think at the right point he'll come out guns blazing..

but RIGHT NOW, we don't want the 'sour grapes' chant to drive the SCOTUS, Secret Gulags, Treasongate, et.al. off the front pages.

It's going to take more to totally and completely turn the people against the Cabal, there are still those 30'ish percent that think Chimpy is god's chosen.

Let the dirty tricks of WHIG/Cheney get blasted more..
Let the dirty tricks of DeLay get proven in court
Let the Ohio scum get exposed and SHOW where the MONEY WENT..

THEN... open the door on the voting fraud.. somewhere around March I think...