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prolesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-05 08:13 PM
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Since when was torture an American value?
Stephen Hadley, President Bush’s national security adviser, said this week that he would not discuss intelligence operations, but he added that even though the government would do “what is necessary” to defend the United States against terrorism. “We’re going to do that in a way that is consistent with our values.”


Where do you think the majority of Americans stand on torturing people in overseas prisons?
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-05 08:16 PM
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1. who cares, if if you know how to do it right....see below
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Fenris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-05 08:20 PM
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2. I would imagine if they thought about it they would be against it.
If you drain the nauseating moral aspect of torture, there are two simple practical reasons why torture is bad policy for the United States:

A) A prisoner with electrodes attached to their genitals is liable to tell you anything (especially what you want to hear) in order to make you turn off the electricity.

B) It sets a very, very dangerous precedent - if we engage in barbarous acts against prisoners of war (or "enemy combatants"), what stops the enemy (or future enemies) from reciprocating?
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MazeRat7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-05 08:24 PM
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3. I figure it started around 1492.....
I am thinking about things like The Salem Witch Trials, The Cherokee Trail of Tears, and the KKK during the Civil Rights Movement are the first ones that come to mind.

I am sure with a bit of research, we will find the seed for this has been inherent in our consciousness since we came to this great land.

MZr7
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90-percent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-05 08:34 PM
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5. more proof
Practicing torture is a really good way to "support our troops" considering THEY'RE going to be the poor bastards getting tortured out of retaliation for official US torture.

More proof that our leadership cares not for our soldiers in the least.

-85%
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-05 08:33 PM
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4. They don't want a U.S. courtroom with judges and juries.
Edited on Fri Nov-04-05 08:33 PM by higher class
It is essential to them to keep it out of court. So if you can keep it out of the courts, why not keep it out of the media? And if you can keep it out of the media, why not play with their eyes, hands feet, mind, mental health. Why not dismiss the concept that it might boomerang back to us - with the deaths and torture of our soldiers, our citizens as they travel around the world, within our country, or to the citizens of coalition partners.

So-called christians love the old eye for an eye, but don't really believe in it - because they love that Moslems are being tortured by us.

(I don't capitalize Christian when referring to people who are for killing.)

Blunt and with anger over the ultra-hypocritical lies and inhuman directives of our leaders. Secret sadism.
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caduceus111 Donating Member (85 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-05 08:37 PM
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6. I think you're on to something...

"Torture is not an American value."

Remember when the MSM was spouting about how "family values" won the re-election?

This phrase should spread far and wide.

=caduceus=

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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-05-05 03:55 AM
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7. I find it amazing -- and disgusting -- that the leaders of our nation . .
are actually arguing in public for the right to torture human beings . . . haven't they ever heard of the Constitution, and the ban on cruel and unusual punishment? . . .
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