I am really distressed to wake up this morning, log onto DU and discover that John Kerry is disavowing the remarks of Mark Crispin Miller on Democracy Now, to the effect that Kerry admitted that he believed the 2004 election was stolen. I remember when Kerry conceded the day after election day, and the very first post on DU's election board was "Fu*ck You John Kerry" by some DUer engraged that, after sending John Edwards out to say every vote would be counted, Kerry had conceded. That's how I feel this morning: Fu*k you, John Kerry.

A number of DUers have theorized why Kerry disavowed Miller's statement, ranging from the notion that Kerry's record on BCCI shows that he is a careful investigator who must be still trying to gather evidence before making public accusations, to tin foil hat theories that his daughters have been threatened by the BFEE. Admittedly we can't know right now, but if we are free to post theories, let me post the most likely one: That John Kerry is a deeply flawed man and hopeless as a leader of our party; that he is displaying exactly the kind of poll-tested, excessive caution that cased him to run a lousy, unfocused, content-empty campaign; that Kerry still thinks that the issue is his political future -- ie whether he is perceived to be a sour grapes kind of guy, which might hurt him on some future election day -- rather than our political future as a democratic republic with free elections; that despite however brave he was in Vietnam and however much he was an outspoken truth-teller as a Vietnam Vet activist, he is not that brave and truthful young man any more.

John Kerry -- the real Bullworth of our time.

It was Democrats poll-testing their votes that caused so many of them (including the mysteriously beloved by some Hillary Clinton) to vote in favor of the Iraq war and continue to support it. Surely, as George Galloway asked in his debate with Christopher Hitchens, no sentient being continues to believe that the Iraq war was a good idea? Yet because some politicians believe that they can't "get out ahead" of the brain dead portion of their constituencies, they refuse to state the obvious. Why do we call them "leaders" if they need to hang back with the most ignorant and regressive potential voters? That kind of "leadership" gets tens of thousands Iraqis and two thousand Americans killed, and it will get our democracy killed just as handily.

If Kerry was uncomfortable with Miller's ultimate conclusions, all he had to do was make a statement that clarified (or even spun) what he told Miller. Kerry might have said, that while he doesn't go quite as far as Miller, he has serious concerns about the integrity of our election system. And, BTW, I don't fault Miller for revealing what he thought Kerry said; a politician is not "off the record" unless he looks you in the eye and says, "this is off the record."

We don't need proof of rigged electronic voting or discarded ballots for our Democratic leaders to take up this issue. I disagree vehemently with anyone who thinks that election misconduct is a theory. Everyone can see that whatever else went on behind the scenes, Florida in 2000 and Ohio in 2004 engaged in actions that are blatantly and obviously violations of the Voting Rights Act, in targeting African American communities for voter suppression.

That Georgia republicans are trying to disenfranchise any person too poor to own a car, and virtually all of metropolitican Atlanta, isn't a conspiracy theory; it's a matter of public record, noted in the Georgia state legislatures laws and proceedings.

Let me repeat, whether or not the election was stolen, it is quite obvious that the Voting Rights Act is now being routinely violated, and John Kerry, and the rest of the Democratic leadership, refuse to say anything about it.

Kerry's denial of Miller's comments and his refusal even to clarify his position and simply endorse real election reform and enforcement of the Voting Rights Act is not just cowardly -- it's an act of public vandalism in the market place of ideas. It's an outright lie, because every sentient being in Washington knows that, at minimum, Ohio tried to supress the Democratic vote.

I don't even have to elaborate what his statement does to the reputation and credibility of Mark Crispin Miller and his new book. John Kerry has now publicly branded Miller, whose book could have shifted the public debate, a liar.

Moreover, Kerry does this just days after the GAO gave cover and credibility to any major figure who wants to bring electoral reform to the forefront.

And this controvery comes just days after a real Democratic leader, former President Jimmy Carter, publicly stated that Gore won the 2000 presidential election.

Last night I watched the Bill Maher show for the first time and was astounded. Mary Robinson, the former president of Ireland and Joe Scarborough had something of a debate, and it was amazing to see President Robinson just speak plain truth and cut through all the bullshit and rhetorical games of an American so called pundit.

There are a few Democratic leaders who still speak in non-poll tested tones, like Mary Robinson. Liberated by his defeat in 2000, Al Gore has found his voice. And Jimmy Carter has thrown off the enforced false piety imposed on former presidents that is supposed to prevent them from criticizing their successors. And miraculously, despite being dominated by "professional election losers" the Democratic party machinery has installed plain spoken Howard Dean as chairman.

As for John Kerry, I think it is high time that you all "get over" him. After all, he has gotten over you or at least your right to vote.

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I got jumped for calling him a flip flopper. But when talking to people that think Ohio was stolen, he says one thing, but when talking to others he says it wasn't.

I think Kerry just needs to stop running for 2008 and be a good senator.

damn that kerry. why does he need to help bushinc at all? even if prof miller overstated it, why kerry? why not just shush.....bush is obviously criminal and kerry?

Kerry should have stayed home and attended to his wife and her holdings.

His "flip-flops" always invite ridicule and make you REALLY wonder.

We would be in the White House now. We only have ourselves to blame for that mistake.

Will we learn? Or repeat it again in '08?

Died before it even started.

That and the war vote make him the most trustworthy ever!

candidate?

it might mean to his 'future viability'. He cared more about the country than himself.

The fact that Edwards tried to get Kerry to fight for every vote has been reported in a few articles, including the one below, from today.

Edwards also wanted to fight the Swift Boat liars and Kerry refused to heed his advice.

The fact is, it was the KERRY campaign, not the Edwards campaign and Kerry and his people made all of the final calls/decisions.

http://www.consortiumnews.com/2005/110505.html

snips

On “Democracy Now,” Miller said Kerry bent to the will of his campaign advisers to concede, even though his vice presidential running mate, John Edwards, favored holding out until more information was in.

Based on reporting for Fooled Again, Miller said Kerry told Edwards in a phone call that Shrum and other advisers insisted that a concession was the best course. “They say that if I don’t pull out, they (Kerry’s political opponents) are going to call us sore losers,” Miller said, recounting the substance of Kerry’s phone call to Edwards.

Miller said Edwards responded, “So what if they call us sore losers?” But Kerry pressed ahead with his decision to concede.

“Kerry’s caving in like that gave an enormous gift to the right wing,” Miller said. “They (the conservatives) could now claim, ‘well, even their (the Democrats’) candidate doesn’t think it was stolen. And they (Kerry and his advisers) left … the American people hanging out to dry there.”


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http://articles.news.aol.com/news/article.adp?id=20051030173009990005

There is a simmering rivalry between the two, ignited by Edwards' postelection remarks in which he said he had unsuccessfully urged Kerry to fight back after the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth in the summer of 2004 challenged Kerry's Vietnam record.

someone who watched ONLY the corporate coverage of the campaign and not the actual daily campaign that was waged.


For those who watched the real campaign Kerry spoke of detailed plans for healthcare, jobs, environmental solutions that were steeped in concerns that oil was driving a great part of our national security problems, and the safeguarding of our infrastructure.

The media editted out most of these important issues in their need to change the subject to protect BushInc.

Further, I don't believe Miller is lying, but he is likely dramatizing his encounter to make for a more compelling story. Most human beings do so.

Kerry's spokesperson is likely underplaying the encounter because it would most certainly gum up any efforts that are being taken to get at the machines before 2008.

This need of some to turn everything into a black and white case where there is only one bad guy who gets all blame is absurdly immature and devoid of thoughtful consideration.

Kerry WON his one on one matchups with Bush and did so DECISIVELY. He did not run a worse campaign than Bush, but Bush had 90% of the broadcast media using Rove's daily talking points.

The LEFTLEANING and objective media got their ASSES handed to them on a daily basis by the RW message machine, but none of them will admit it and instead put all blame on Kerry. Media matters is full of instances of this happening. Left leaning and objective media couldn't express the TRUTH as well as the RW machine could express their lies.

And STILL Kerry won because of his strengths in his own matchups with Bush that could break through the media walls.

Everyone wants to BLAME, but don't change the TRUTH to do so.

In one post, you accuse me of lying -- the same as spreading media lies -- and tell me what I did and didn't see during the 2004 campaign. According you your all knowing post, I only read the MSM and no alternative media or Kerry campaign literature.

According to you Miller is maybe not outright lying, but is over-"dramatizing" this elaborate story.

Despite specifying several Democrats I respect and disrespect, and mentioning how Kerry could have finessed his views, you state that I have turned this into a black white issue with one bad guy.

And you accuse me of "changing the truth" -- ie lacking credibility?

Your post on its face tells us everything we all need to know about who lacks credibility!

And your willingness to believe every word of Miller's without taking into account the NATURAL TENDENCY of normal human beings to retell stories with added drama and flair, shows that you are putting it all into black and white.

The truth you changed was about Kerry's campaign. You said it had no content. Those who followed the campaign knew that was untrue and I dare say that Media Matters would back me up on that.

In fact, we here at DU posted about the media's spinning for the Bush campaign EVERY DAY.

I notice you avoided the FACT that the Left-leaning and objective media got their asses kicked EVERY DAY by the RW machine. Why? Could it be the same reason that Bush is still in power?

in your OP when you clearly have no idea what the fuck you are talking about. Did Kerry look you right in the eye and tell you in person that there was no fraud, and that Miller was a liar?

I though not.

Where did you get that info from? Heresy? Because you still have not produced a link from a credible source despite many people asking you to. Maybe you ought to produce proof that your inflammatory statements are true, admit you have no proof, or GET THE FUCK OUT OF THE WAY, YOURSELF.


The only true thing you said was that the last "post on its face tells us everything we all need to know about who lacks credibility!"

THAT WOULD BE YOU.

We've talked about his duplicity many times, yet not once has he ever been responsible for his words or actions. Not once. It's always the media, BFEE or the GOP. Sure they're a big part of the problem - but not the only part.

And I believe Kerry won by as many as 5 million votes. Sometimes criticism is just. But I know, I know, it just CAN'T be! Loss of credibility looms.

until the machines are exposed PROPERLY it is just TOO convenient to put all blame on one person.

I have problems with some of the campaign decisions and made them public many times. But, even those problems stemmed from the enormous muscle of the RW media machine.

They wouldn't have BEEN problems if there was any honest coverage from the broadcast media.

There will never be a progressive media. Never. How did Kerry vote on the TelCom Act?

Hoist by his own petard, possibly?

that needed to be excised when it proved bad for the consumers.

That's the way a normal democracy would work.

(We may be nearing a breakthrough in the intervention!) :D

I would guess that he believes it even much more strongly today.

about what he said about Election Theft 04...

Miller never gave an exact quote. He just gave a 'recounting'.

And Rawstory had a headline that LIED.

Kerry has NOT retracted any statement.

And Kerry had NOT MADE any statement.

Miller didn't even indicate if he had Kerry on record... or if he was actually taking notes.

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are on an antiKerry threads.

talking to someone in an abusive relationship. He didn't really mean what he said! No matter what he actually did, he really cares! I can explain!

You are so right, it's like they need an intervention.

"You're so cute, you've got so much going for you and there are so many other more eligible partners, like Al Gore, that nice young Dr. Dean, Barbara Boxer, John Conyers -- why do you stick with that guy"!

than John Kerry has? Name them.

They are good, sincere people who are doing great work.


But to ignore Kerry's work as if it bears no significance is to ignore the greatest part of our recent history which most of our problems today are deeply rooted. And who does that ignorance of history benefit in the long run? BushInc.

And you want ME to buy into the same media-driven perceptions that others easily succumb to. I will not. The truth doesn't change, only the spin it is given by the media.

BTW...will Conyers, Waxman's and Boxer's accomplishments today be diminished and mocked so cavalierly ten years from now by the left because they didn't receive their due from the media?

Conyers, Waxman and Boxer are continually being mocked and diminished by the rightwingers in the press. But they don't let that stop them from doing the right thing.

who wouldn't left a finger to help and many who sided with Reagan and Bush policy over Kerry's work to expose it's criminal underpinnings. He was virtually alone in his work, yet he persevered so they would not drop.

So, each has a place in their hardfought efforts and none should be derided and dismissed so cavalierly.

And everything happening today that we claim to be concerned about happen to have their roots in IranContra and BCCI.

Ignote that fact and it unwiitingly benefits BushInc who prefers to keep it hidden.

And 30 years from now Waxman, Conyers and Boxer will never be treated like inconsequential trash for their services by anyone like me. They will be remembered as facing incredible odds against a media that spun their efforts as meaningless and directed only for the base they wanted to play to. Because, we all know that is exactly HOW this media operates against them.

on this thread. I appreciate what Senator Kerry did in the past. I wish he would find some of that long-lost courage, throw off his lousy handlers and speak up loudly enough so that the media would have to pay attention. Every time you mention Iran-Contra and BCCI it just shows how long ago and far away that spirit is.

20 years? Okay, better? And BTW, if BushInc prefers to keep it hidden, where was that information when Kerry was campaigning? I'd think that was more important to us now than his VietNam experience, which was pushed and pushed and pushed.

And then Kerry took what he learned and wrote a book about the growing problem of global terrorism and its international financing.

But, then, did you read it or dismiss it because it was of no concern to YOUR priorities? Too many did. And thus we are stuck with 9-11 and a horrendous foreign policy.

Or are you disagreeing with my point that what is happening today has everything to do with IranContra and BCCI? If so, you never expressed it on any of Octafish's BFEE threads that connect all the players from then and now.

We know what we want to know about a person. And believe what validates our own biases. That is why strict adherence to recorded facts are essential, imo.

And it was the corporate media who chose to amplify Vietnam because it suited Rove's purpose for his swiftboat attack. Kerry used Vietnam to stress that leaders make mistakes when they don't remember history and that war should only be used as a LAST RESORT. The media chose to ignore that emphasis while highlighting the swiftliars revisionism on Vietnam.

The corporate media amplified VietNam because it was the CENTERPIECE of his damned campaign. Remember "Reporting for Duty?" Remember that little boat ride through Boston Harbor?

Anyway, I gotta go. I have a friend here who's waiting for me to go to Brooklyn and set up her computer system.

written matter-of-factly? People want SHOWMANSHIP not real facts that could prevent tragedy and wars.

Big whooopteedoo to those who were too busy to pay attention. here's 2 bucks and a subway ride. I'd prefer 9-11 never happened.

Kerry was the Senator who wrote the letter asking for the Intelligence Report part 2 and found only 9 Senators brave enough to sign it.

Kerry mentioned this information and disavowed his IWR vote in his Iraq speech - before the Libby indictment.

Kerry has proposed the most detailed Iraq withdrawal plan (over 12-15 months). Senator Feingold said that in addition to himself the ones leading on this issue are Kerry, Kennedy, Byrd and Levin. Dean and Boxer mentioned Kerry's plan favorably on 2 Hardball shows. Reid has mentioned it and in VT yesterday, Leahy and Kerry talked of the plan (Leahy supports it.)

He is also working on the Count Every Vote legislation (Hillary is the sponsor) with Hillary, Boxer and Lautenberg. He has mention election problems and fraud, most recently in Boston at a march with John Lewis.

So, sorry he really isn't sticking his neck out. Name someone doing more on these issues.

Kerry's career can be split in two.

BFEE-"exposing" Kerry. Pre- 1990.

And TelCom, IWR, Patriot Act Kerry. Post 1990.

Anyone who can't see the dichotomy is blind.

You didn't need to hear it and neither did anyone else. Who the hell does Kerry think he is telling us to look for it as a growing problem and watch out for the instiutions who accomodate their funding.

Anyone who didn't pay attention to Kerry's work in the 90s is also responsible for what has happened in 2000 and beyond.

Right before he called for "regime change" in Iraq.

... but the fact is they are doing the things Kerry should be doing but isn't, BECAUSE HE IS NOT A LEADER.

I dont' give a rat's ass what ANYONE did 15-20 years ago.

To me, Kerry is like a guy who is fixated on a girl (the presidency). He wants her (it) so damn bad that he is overly self-conscious and in near desparation to do what APPEARs right he forgets what IS right.

And he never gets the girl, you never get the girl if you are desparate, ironic isn't it?

deep down. Ugh! I just gave myself an icky, nasty flashback.

he is a good man. It's his neo-liberal political transformation that leaves a sour taste.

includes being unafraid to speak his convictions and being at least as concerned with telling the truth and doing the right thing as he is with self-preservation. I don't see Kerry doing that. Words and actions, baby. It really is that simple.

I'm just not willing to make excuses for someone I don't know personally, whose actions consistently belie a deeper concern for his own position than the welfare of the country. Not saying you are. I just don't much care if he does this good thing or that good thing or what he did before 1990.

I don't even feel that strongly about the thing with Mark Crispin Miller, except that it was incredibly stupid of Kerry to say, "I know," in response to Miller's statement that he was robbed and then to engage in what someone else called prototypical behavior.

I see that behavior, and it tells me all I need to know. No need to rationalize or empathize or try to get inside his head and figure out what's going on there.

Try to picture it. This is Miller's obsession, he says to Kerry, you were robbed. Kerry says I know with gestures that are preceived as frustration by Miller. Miller hearing comformation of his belief and knowing that Kerry has NEVER been pushed to say the election was stolen although he has talked frequently about fraud, irregularities and voter suppresion and the need for reform would have known that this was major. So what would he likely do:
Some possibilities:
a) Miller says nothing and the conversation turns to voting reform
b) Miller says "Really" and trys to establish why, what he indends to do and when he first thought this
c) Miller says, "Senator, let me get this right - you are saying you think the election was stolen.

Now, I was a math/econ major years ago in college. He's been a movie critic (as well as an NYU professor.) But I think a) seems very odd as dialogue. Some variation of b or c would be more likely. Unless, Miller KNEW or SUSPECTED that Kerry wasn't really going to say the election was stolen but felt that putting out that Kerry thought this was good for getting the issue visibility.

and yes, Miller took Kerry's comments and used them in a way that might have been unethical. It was still stupid of Kerry to make them, and while I might defend him for pointing out that he didn't say the election was stolen, it fits a larger pattern of behavior that I'm not willing to defend.

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to admit that Kerry was a sh*tty candidate. I felt completely Punk'D for supporting his sorry, excuse making ass. The whole campaign he went on and on about making sure every vote was counted and that we wouldn't let those snakes in the grass steal another election. He packed it in so fast my head spun. Every time I hear someone say he should be the 2008 candidate, I want to puke.

I am unable to stop debating this issue. I am afraid that somehow we'll get stuck with him again in '08. I don't think it could really happen, but I just want to nip any such thoughts in the bud. Burn such thoughts to the ground and salt the earth.

That John Kerry is a deeply flawed man and hopeless as a leader of our party; that he is displaying exactly the kind of poll-tested, excessive caution that cased him to run a lousy, unfocused, content-empty campaign; that Kerry still thinks that the issue is his political future -- ie whether he is perceived to be a sour grapes kind of guy, which might hurt him on some future election day -- rather than our political future as a democratic republic with free elections; that despite however brave he was in Vietnam and however much he was an outspoken truth-teller as a Vietnam Vet activist, he is not that brave and truthful young man any more.

I never had the opportunity to hear Kerry in person, although I have a good friend that saw him several times in her part of the country, and according to her, during those rallies he did touch on substantiative issues. The problem is Why didn't he do that in any one of his commercials? Why when interviewed by the press didn't he show fire in his belly and take control of what was to debated or not, nationally. Even during the debates, and he won them all by a mile, he lacked so much emotion that it appeared that he really didn't want the job. He also shot himself in the foot many times. Even up to the last minute, the duck hunting attire was so disingenuine that I physically felt ill. I had flashbacks of Dukakis in the tank. It was if he was blowing it deliberately.

While even on MSM (which is not mainstream in the least) they showed irregularities in Ohio. They showed massive lines, and confusion with the precincts. It was reported that one of the counting places was closed to open counting because of a nefarious terror threat. Even John Edwards knew it and told everyone their vote would be counted, and then just hours later, Kerry conceded. It was inconceivable to me that he would do that considering all of the widespread reports of disenfranchisement, and to this day I don't get why he so highly regarded here on DU.

BTW... I never wanted Kerry as the nominee being a Dean supporter and an anti-war advocate. I voted for Kerry because he was ABB.

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I will admit that Kerry had substantive positions on things like health care and the environment.

But I was always screaming at the TV something like this: These fascists have taken us into an illegal war with lies; they have legalized torture; they have floated the idea of cancelling the election; they have bankrupted the federal government; they have established the principle of detaining people without trial; and shrub was a deserter to top it off.

In other words, Kerry had Clintonesque policy positions (ie triangulation type issues) whereas the election was one of those rare elections about meta issues: Are we going to be a democracy or an empire? Will the government go bankrupt?

Kerry it was widely reported did not want to go negative -- even as his reputation was shredded by lies.

In sum he ran a bizarre, tepid campaign against Attilla the Hun.

That is why few spokespeople on the Dem side served Kerry's campaign as effectively as they could. Not to mention the trouncing the left leaning and objective media received on a daily basis by a RW machine that kicked their ass in controlling the message on a daily basis.

But, is it even the left medias fault when most broadcast media is owned by and controlled by BushInc loyalists?'

the DNC to stay positive, that people would vote for hope.

It would have been good advice, too, had we an even halfway honest media.

Kerry wasn't running every show. The DNC had a program and Kerry was welcome to add to it.

Did you notice Bush handling all the dirty work or was it the RNC helped by their control over most of the media?

.... to jump off a cliff and you do, who's fault is it?

I don't care WHO advised who, someone had to make the final DISASTROUS decision to have a happy-happy convention, and just who do you think made that final decision?

bush, better not bash bush. dems better not they better not. and they didnt. but bush bashed dems on their convention unmercifully and digustingly and in lie...... tweety, how strategic and what balls, yada yada yada

kerry wasnt even bashing, but talking about bush fail policy and media would say, kerry bashing again

previous post, he allowed Attilla to define the debate. I expect anyone who runs for President to display strong leadership qualities, and he fell short in my book.

I also yelled at the tv too many times to count on my fingers and toes, as I still scream at the tv. I felt at the time that he was our last chance at saving our Democracy and he never touched the surface. ie, never addressing the fact that the Intel was created to make a case for war and bring PNAC into the debate. Never addressing the Sociopaths newspeak...Clear Skies, No Child, New Freedom etc. He never addressed Halliburton and other Administration cronies robbing our treasury blind. He had no ability whatsoever to come out and say that the war was dead wrong. That would have taken bravery on his part and everytime he was given the opportunity to show courage, he waffled.

Personally, being a tinfoil hatter, I will give my honest opinion. I believe that Kerry being a Skull and Bones brother of the Shrub took the fall. No one that smart could have shot himself so many times in the foot as Kerry did everytime his opinion polls looked promising. I think that there was never going to be any contesting on his part of the election results. I think waiting to all of next morning (even though there was lots of probable cause that the election was stolen)to concede was in the play book. I will even take it futher back. I think that the New Hampshire primary was fixed so Dean would lose. It so happened to be the same districts that Nader was questioning in a recount.

Peace.

at every turn and with every speech. Too bad the media refused to notice it.

BTW....You would think that IranContra and BCCI investigations would have laid to rest all the S&B stuff. Kerry went to court many times to expose more and more documents. He even helped expose the CIA drugrunning. And that was when many Dems were trying to shut him up, along with most of DC powerstructure.

It would have been much better for BushInc to have kept IranContra and BCCI out of the congressional record. They already had most Dems behind them on their policy and against Kerry's work.

Did he ever catch on to the Shrub's insider trading?

Geez, if Conyers thought like you then why bother doing any investigations at all?

Methinks you should check the National Security Archives and read up on BCCI if you really think it's such an insignificant episode.

that nothing really came of it. All of the same characters are back in action.

work. And if it wasn't for him most of us would be in the dark about the greater BFEE and its agenda.

it up from time to time, wouldn't it? These players are Killing our country, and political niceties have to be put aside for the greater good, while Kerry does the soft shoe.

who prefer his voice was silenced permanently.

wants to help our country, he has to speak out, period. He has been picking important topics, yes, but unless he speaks out, and more importantly acts against the evil empire, he is just trying to apply a band aid to a gaping wound.

cartoon caricature you drew. See how far it helps get the truth out.

You join Nixon, Reagan and Bush1 and 2 in their 35 year vendetta against Kerry where they planted stories against him to deflect from the truth he was speaking about their government corruption. I also see that you have no criticism of the many Dems who supported Reagan and Bush's policy OVER Kerry's work to expose the corruption in those policies.

We wouldn't be battling for democracy today if Kerry even had ONE established senator side with him then or even offer to help.

thugs. I won't bite.

Kerry has been neutered, somehow, someway... I wish it weren't so because I did kind of hope that my vote counted for something. You and I do not see eye to eye at all on Kerry and I sincerely hope that for our country, Kerry is as you see him. That one day, like a knight in shining armor he will save us all.......

Peace.

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an oath swearing allegience to the Society that supercedes everything else. Look who comes out of Skull and Bones. Politicians and CIA. Check out Bush appointments to fellow Bonesemen.

BTW....I said this was my belief. Period. I also am of a minority and if it bothers you so much, tough.

Meanwhile, I don't think you have any proof that Kerry is going to help fix the fine mess we're in.

Have a lovely night. I'm done.

Thanks for a great post.

I doubt that there are many senators more safe in their seat than John Kerry. He could be a real leader in the senate. He can get away with some audacious stuff--what we need is some good old fashioned well placed well thought out positive progressive audacity--and the people of MA would send him back.

Even a broken clock like the repugs can be right twice a day, and I now shamefully admit that Kerry is an instinctive (Oh God, it's hard to even say it) flip flopper.

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He allowed the pukes to chew him up and spit him out. He has been fully defined, however wrongly and deceitfully, but the pukes. He is a liability now at the presidential level. OK, so he is no Dukakis or Mondale...he can still serve his state...but he might as well put his presidential hopes to bed.

HOWEVER...he is a respected senator, and he does well in the senate. He has his niche. It is an honor to be a senator. And as far as I can tell, he has served fairly well there. Unfortunately, he has Iraq on his record. But he is not the senate sell out that many of his colleagues are.

He won the damn election and now he's trying to lose it again.

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Its like he wants to question the election, but only to further deflate all us dems who spent so much of ourselves on him. He seemed almost gleefully to concede. Very disappointing.

Remember the "three-word-prayer" he uttered at the end of his concession speech? "God bless America".

That's when I knew.

Worse still, he spoke of the importance of America "succeeding in Iraq", which sounded for all the world like a justification of sorts for the invasion.

Today, of course, he's calling for Americans to demand that Bush come up with a clear plan of action for Iraq...as if The War President doesn't have detailed plans on his desk for Syria and Iran already!

Being upset at what the spokesperson said about Miller's comments is one thing.

But to say he isn't speaking out about voting is to just not be paying attention. Just like those who had no idea of what he said at his speech at Georgetown and still wouldn't if Kerry people weren't here to correct their misperceptions because they don't pay attention.

Then get mad because we're here.

Who said Bush misled the country into war? Jimmy Carter? NO, John Kerry. TWO YEARS AGO.

Nobody heard. Ear plugs or blinders, I don't know which it is.

is now irrelevant, blown out of the water, because this story has legs: Kerry denies 2004 election was stolen; Mark Crispin Miller officially labelled a liar.

that Teresa was very interested in election fraud at least from the day after the election.

And yes, it must really hurt if you believed in him or if you worked on the campaign.

In fact just last Sunday he spoke publicly about election fraud at an event in Boston commemorating a civil rights march.

So...who is "lying" here, I wonder? Hmmm....

who is "lying" - when they say Kerry isn't involved in voting rights, when he is? Somebody is lying. If the shoe fits...

and I take no pleasure in pissing off DUers. I'm done.

Because Teresa has long been interested in election fraud, Kerry is now a liar because he denies that he made a bombshell claim during a casual conversation with Mr. Miller at a fundraiser? Excuse me?

The point is, Kerry says he didn't say all the things Miller said he did. What Teresa is interested in has no bearing on what happened in the conversation between Kerry and Miller. If Teresa were avidly reading books on gardening, would that prove that Kerry had a detailed discussion with Miller about growing tomatoes?

possibility of election fraud which is somewhat closer to Kerry's area, doncha think, than gardening? Do you honestly believe Kerry doesn't know he was robbed? He'd be about the last one, then.

The trouble is, TERESA should have been the candidate because she's smart enough not to say something to the media that she will then have to deny -- a pattern we have seen with Mr. Kerry and one with we have not seen with Mark Crispin Miller.

When has Kerry said inflammatory things and had to take them back? I'm not aware of this pattern.

People tell me I said things that I never remotely said. All the time.

It's stunning to me that Jimmy Carter saying Bush misled us into war is top headline excitement at DU, but the fact that John Kerry has said it for two years is less than nothing, it's a bad thing. Exact same words, two different responses. People decided they meant two different things.

So I don't know what he said to Miller, but I do know he has differentiated between election fraud and a conspiracy to steal the election. I know that he has spoken of election fraud in terms of disenfranchisement in minority neighborhoods. What the conversation consisted of, I don't know. Whether Kerry was being nice, funny, or whatever, Miller should have had the good sense to know that if Kerry wanted to say the election was stolen, he would have done it on the floor of the Senate.

or maybe he needs to say it more often since OBVIOUSLY it ain't gett'n through the M$M matrix.

peace

I concur! Thanks for the post.

'leaders'

i could not believe how fast he conceded after all his promises, it really hurt (and got me tombstoned from my only safe haven from the madness) me and our struggle.

how long do our leaders think they can ignore the truth and embrace the M$M world-view (cartoon-view) :shrug:



peace

:applause::yourock:

It is not useful to bash John Kerry. But it is useful to sort the consequences of his choices from our wishes about his leadership.

Very well said.

I worked my ass off for his campaign last year, even though he wasn't my first choice. I met him several times on the campaign trail. After his quick concession speech last year, I was so disheartened, and depressed I couldn't put a Springsteen CD in the player. (Kerry's theme song was "No retreat, No Surrender").

After watching "Democracy Now" with my morning coffee, I was elated. On my way over to our congressional campaign office, I had Springsteen blaring again. Bush is unraveling. Kerry is growing balls. It's finally going to happen.

I get back home later that day, and watch Kerry covering his ass again. Concede 2008 now John. If this is your idea of leadership, forget it. I would almost vote for Dick Cheney (ALMOST) before I'd waste my time working for another one of your campaigns again. Either fuck off or bring back that guy who testified before congress during the war. He had some courage.

even more. I can't believe that after yesterday, any progressive Democrat gives Kerry any support.

Support John Kerry. If he said that the election was stolen what good would it do? The msm would make mince meat out of him. Sour grapes and bush would still be president. Let the GAO speak for itself and everyone get the word out. Do you think that everyone is ignorant of the facts and the event? No they are not. I will support him and work again in the next election cycle for him.

then he should have said Miller misunderstood him. Many, including now President Carter, believe bush stole at least one election.

Kerry's comments don't just distance him from those who believe the election was stolen but actually discredits that idea. If he doesn't want to lead on this issue, he should just shut up and not discredit those who do.

If it's the truth does it have to benefit us in some way before we discuss it? If discussing it gets the fraud out of future elections wouldn't that be good?

It has to do with the very foundation of Democracy. Even a flawed one like ours where we have the the (now in this era) fully patronizing nonsense of the Electoral College that makes us the joke of the free world.

Kerry didn't seem to give one hot dump for my vote once he got it from me, and he's still in the same position after almost a year. I'm not one for getting off on being abused, and it's difficult to avoid in this world, but the fact is we can do better.

Miller overreached, read way too much into what he thought Kerry said, then felt free to broadcast a private chat as if it were an on-the-record interview -- even though he had no tape or notes, just his memory.

I'm not at all sorry to see Kerry clarify what he really said. And I'm not surprised to hear that he didn't make a bombshell claim during a casual chat with a guy at a fundraiser. It's not in character for Kerry to casually say incredibly inflammatory things like that.

.... Mr. Miller. Does he have a record of these sorts of issues? Have other interviewees complained of being misquoted?

Because if you can't give me at least a couple of examples, I'm going to believe him over John Kerry, this sounds exactly like the kind of think Kerry would do IMHO.

of Kerry shooting his mouth off with things he shouldn't have said and then denying it. Seriously, I'm very curious. I've been following Kerry's career very closely and haven't seen that side of him. I'm very skeptical.

including the Voting Rights Act especially. His failure to address the voter fraud issue is, judging from his style of calculatedness in everything he does, an attempt to not appear hypocritical should he win a prez election by a hair-I guess. First, the right won't care about such misplaced, academic rectitude and they would attack any way they could should such a thing happen (which it won't, since he is dead meat politically) to reverse the outcome. Thus, he fantasizes he has a chance, and so in his painfully timid manner, won't risk even that miniscule chance by fighting this issue and would engage in the same strategy as last time: hazy hedging on everything, pursuing a mythical middle ground of voters that would theoretically buy into fuzzy, overcautious, moderate-sounding positions on everything else, while talking tough while being equally hazy on the substance of security and war policy.

And I must admit too, though I have avoided using the term in exchanges with Kerry fanatics here: he is a flip-flopper.

"rectitude". :eyes:

As in, what kind of enema could cure that kind of rectitude.

:hide:

My despair and anger has overcome me, I must confess and swamped any perception of comity from anyone, even here. So I took a couple of days off, but after the Biden quote I need to take another few days off.

No harm / foul. Be well.

just last weekend, and referred to the republicans trying to eviscerate the bill so that they can continue suppressing people's rights. He even called it fraud.

Press conference in the Capitol bldg? Op-ed in the NYT or elsewhere? Face it, its not high on his list as other Civil Rights issues are apparently not.

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cost him an election and now is threatening to cost us THIS MOST IMPORTANT ISSUE of our time.

Thank God! We need more folks like you to point out the very worst flaw in JK and other so called democratic leaders. His lack of action on this issue proves once again how out of touch and far removed he is from the very people he claims to represent.

:applause:

sometime in the past. Kerry can rise again -- Gore has. Al Gore now is *not* the stiff, over-cautious presidential candidate of 2000, Al can and has lit some very bright fires. Kerry can do this too - he just has to DO IT. Say it aloud --> Stolen Election.

Kerry is safely in his Senate seat - take a risk! In an important way, the people around Kerry are stuck until he stands up for himself.

Hillel has this situation covered:

If I am not for myself, Who will be for me?
If I am only for myself, What am I?
If not now, When?

If Kerry won't stand for himself, Who will stand for him?
If he is only for himself (protecting reputation), What is he?
If not now, When? HOW MANY MORE LIVES HAVE TO BE DESTROYED?!?!?

For God's sakes, could truth telling please become popular again in this country?

Could these 'appointed by God' to 'help the people'; 'gentleman's agreement' types PLEASE go intern with Congressman Conyers?

End :rant:

i don't deny he did it, I just need some linkage.

<http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x399843>

<http://rawstory.com/news/2005/Senator_Kerry_rebuffs_claim_he_said_1104.html>

<http://markcrispinmiller.blogspot.com/>

From your RawStory link:

"I know Mr. Miller is trying to sell his book and he feels passionately about his thesis but his recent statements about his conversation with Senator Kerry are simply not true," spokesperson Jenny Backus said. "The only thing true about his recollection of the conversation is that he gave Senator Kerry a copy of his book."

Where in that is there any discussion of what Kerry thinks about the election? The spokesperson merely says Miller mischaracterized the conversation. Perhaps if Miller had verified his understanding with Kerry before going public, he'd have saved everyone a lot of grief.

First of all, Miller is just trying to sell books -- a code for lying. Nothing Miller recalled is true, except the giving of the book -- meaning, that it is not true that Kerry agrees the election was stolen.

Miller's statement was, Kerry agrees the election was stolen. If that statement was "not true" that Kerry disagrees and believes the election was not stolen.

I don't get what else this can mean. I mean, I know Kerry can believe opposite things are true at the same time -- like the war is bad and the war needs to go on -- but I can't.

Kerry did not say what Miller claims he says.

Saying "I did not say the election was stolen when I spoke with Miller" is not the same as saying "No, the election was not stolen."

I think the bigger issue is with the comments about other Democrats. No way would Kerry say that on the record, and Miller should have known it. I do find it hard to believe that Kerry would have said it to Miller at all, but, once again "I find it hard to believe..." is not the same as accusing Miller of "lying". I am saying that I don't know, and I have no reason to take Miller's interpretation of the converstaion over Kerry's.

maybe I'm just not smart enough to parse John Kerry's incredibly carefully chosen words delivered through spokespersons.

I don't see where it takes a whole lot of brainpower to read the spokesperson's response exactly as written.

It takes A LOT more effort to twist those words into "Kerry doesn't support voting rights. Kerry doesn't believe there is election fraud." - especially when he was speaking out on those very topics just last weekend.

"Senator Kerry fears that election fraud undermined American democracy in 2000 and 2004?" Maybe because that's not what he believes? Or maybe because that would be politically risky, like voting against an immoral and illegal war would have been risky. The days of Kerry the anti-war firebrand are over, IMO. Now he's just another corporate lobbyist's b*tch and politcal prostitute.

:eyes:

His one example of something Kerry supposedly said was when he told Kerry, "You were robbed!" and the senator said, "I know!", which could've had a million meanings. Also, Miller's report was based on his recollection, not on tape or notes. I suspect both men are telling the truth as they remember it, but of the two, I trust Kerry to have a more accurate memory of whether he did or did not make a claim that was guaranteed to be an absolute bombshell during a casual conversation at a fundraiser.

.... does Miller have a record of "misquoting" interviewees? Other examples?

And IMHO the Kerry spokesperson said/meant "Crispin Miller is lying" -- 'simply not true' = 'lying.' The spokesperson could have said "Miller seems to have misunderstood" or "Perhaps Senator Kerry's meaning was not clear" -- this differs significantly from 'not true'.

Based on some of the comments here, I felt that people needed to see the actual words. I attached it to your comment because I thought that was the best place for it.

I didn't mean to imply anything negative about your only posting links.

As for the rest, it seems to me the spokesperson's response, as quoted by RawStory, was inartfully worded. Of course we may not have the full context there either, but it seems they could have worded it more softly. So, we agree at least a little. ;-)

It could have been worded more softly -- or -- maybe? someday? Someone could bravely do what few have ever done: Tell the naked truth. Tell the truth though you know you will be flamed. Stop playing the 'gentleman's game --> let's all agree not to discuss it.' Let's discuss it - let's discuss all of it... Iraq, WHIG, Rover, Dickey, JFK's death, MLK's death, empire, assassinations,... Let's cough up one big MF'ing load of bile and release ourselves from this absurd, insane, self-imposed, self-absorbed illusion about who we are, what has happened in our past, what we are doing in the world.

:mad:

and to add insult to injury:

spokesperson Jenny Backus said. "The only thing true about his recollection of the conversation is that he gave Senator Kerry a copy of his book."


so now Miller's just whoring his book? Did Kerry write the GOP talking points memo this week, or is he just trying to beat the pundits to the punch?

'Perhaps Mr. Miller understood. Perhaps Senator Kerry didn't say what he thought as clearly as he wish he had.'

Plausible deniability minus the kick in the crotch.

:kick:

I wish she had said that myself, but she didn't. I don't understand why you can't put it on the spokesperson, for the time being. And yes, he is responsible for who he hires as a spokesperson, but they make mistakes.

It seems he has a problem in this area. He is laying behind a log on this as he has done during the campaign, letting someone else explain him.

ugly and Republican-like.

Imagine that.

I'm still hoping for a Democratic candidate who will stand up against the Bushites and fight the bullshit.

is the electoral equivalent of the IWR. "If I knew then what I knew now about John Kerry, I would NEVER have voted for him in the primaries." And I sincerely mean it. He was weak weak weak in refuting the liars and Swift Boaters, he let bush** get away with soooooooooo many lies and so much bullshit, and then in the end when the results suddenly changed and under such suspicious circumstances he just rolled over and did an Al Gore, I was sick for weeks.

Lead or follow or get out of the way? Those are the choices. Well this time my vote whole heartedly goes for the last one.

He did the second, its time for the third.

Gore unconceded the 2000 election in an hour and a half and fought tooth and nail for SIX WEEKS without the backing of his running mate (who consistently told him it was over) and the party (who as a voice, told him to "give it up"). He fought like a tiger, not caring what anyone thought about him. It was unabashed, naked COURAGE.

Kerry did NOT do "an Al Gore". If he had, he might be in the WH right now.

in the electoral districts of Fla, the state supreme court and SCOTUS.

With Gore it was very clear that there were votes that could have been counted but were not. With Kerry that is a lot of circumstantial evidence of lost votes and lots of evidence of vote suppression. But nobody has been able to put forth a scenario in which Kerry could have won on the basis of votes that were not cast. They may not have been cast because of vote suppression or because of fraud, but in the end the votes were not there for counting. That's evidence that we need voting reform and verifiable voting. But in this race, without the votes, with an Ohio state government and a judiciary stacked against him there was simply no way and no legal case to be made for Kerry to be awarded the state's electors instead of Bush.

Had Kerry been in Gore's situation, there is no doubt in my mind he would have fought the election. And given that he took 12 hours to concede when all elections BUT Gore's were conceded within an hour shows that he and his advisors were not too hasty. By all accounts close to him, the campaign had extensive plans to fight had they been in Gore's situation. In the situation they were there simply was no case that could have been accepted in a court of law that would have resulted in the election being overturned.

I am still just amazed that he won the nomination.

Once he did, of course, I supported him totally.

...or so some will say.

If it wasn't obvious yet, Kerry and most of the other DNC powerplayers are still not making the cut.

The Democratic "leadership" is part of the problem, not the solution. They are as much depending on the status quo as their Republican counterparts.

Either we find an uncorrupted soul who is willing and able to do the right thing, or a third party is going to take away so many votes that we can only HOPE that the GOP does a better job at pissing of their constituents than we do.

I'm not some ideological purist; I want this party to be a big tent, with a wide range of ideas, but I'm damned tired of the outright cowardice on the part of our so-called leaders. I like Kerry, and Hillary, but I'll be damned if I'll vote for them if they continue their cowardly course.

the DU. So quick to down someone. I wonder how many freepers put their two cents in. Go fuck yourselves.

who let us down. Every chance he had it seems.

debating which of our leaders are truthful and really concerned about voting rights and which aren't?

I wasn't aware that the Democratic Party was like the papacy -- ie our leaders are infallible and not to be criticized.

I complained that Kerry gave up so quickly.

So, how long do we wait for Kerry? Another 12 months? When is it appropriate to demand that your representative actually represent you?

And no, I won't go fuck myself, thanks.

/typin'

Do you live in Massachusetts?

Maybe his constituents have some concerns that he needs to represent, before he tries to represent people out of state.

Just sayin'.

voted for him.

I appreciate that you voted for him. I hope that in every election, you vote for the best of the possible candidates, een if they are *gasp* Democrats that don't hold every position you like 100%.

Kerry *was* a national candidate. Regardless what his intentions are for 2008 (and I am not convinced he is running for president anyway) his job now is Senator of Massachusetts. Had he been inaugurated as President, then yes, he would be your "representative" - as well as the rep of all Americans, even those who were too stupid to vote at all, or voted for Bush.

I've been following his actions and I'd say he's working very hard and getting a lot done for Massachusetts, his current role. Also, he is doing a lot to support other candidates, such as Kaine and Corzine. I know he'll be working hard to beat Santorum, too. And I for one appreciate that.

lol!

Sorry for my rudeness. But all of this debating is academic unless we get our elections straightened out. So, of all things to deny for whatever reason, this was exactly the denial most likely to drive me to chair kicking and rude posts.

peace.

Vote for a green if he or she is a better candidate than the dem? Somehow I doubt it. If so, I salute you-- if not, that's how I spell hypocrisy.

Just put people who put useless and/or counterproductive things up here and waste our time on ignore. I am nearing 600 people on the list.

it is so very frustrating to log onto DU, and find once again "all Kerry-bashing all the time." With everything that's going on in the BAD party right now, it's even more frustrating. I wasn't even going to post again - I ran into so many of these threads yesterday that my feeling was just "ARGHHHHHHH", but I wanted to let you know I agree with you.

I think I'll take a break from DU until we go back to concentrating on the bad guys.....

The Senate of the United States is a millionaire's club roughly equally divided into two camps:

1.) Camp one thinks the property rights of the wealthy should be protected at all costs, trampling the rights of the common people if necessary.

2.) Camp two thinks the property rights of the wealthy should be protected, but the rights of the common people should be trampled only if absolutely necessary.

There are rules about what a Senator can say and not say. They're called "The Comity of the Senate". Any hint that the rights of common people are not first and foremost in the mind of the Senate is one of them. Postulating that the voting rights of people are routinely trampled definitely violates this rule.

Kerry is leading. What are you doing?

Kerry has spoken about voting rights issues, referred publicly to election fraud being perpetrated by the Republicans, and sponsored / cosponsored legislation to resolve voting rights issues.

As to your claim, "John Kerry has now publicly branded Miller, whose book could have shifted the public debate, a liar.": Miller brought this on himself. Whatever was said between them, it was a private conversation, and Miller should have gotten permission before going public (I was told this by another journalist, I'm not just making it up). The part specifically about Dodd makes no sense for Kerry to say on the record - he's too much of a politician (that's his job - sorry if anyone has a problem with that). So, that only leaves that Kerry didn't say it, or he believed the conversation was off the record. Maybe he respected Miller before this incident. I am sure he will not give Miller the time of day again.

Whatever else Kerry has done, i[]he has now gone on record as saying the 2004 election was not stolen -- so he has undercut his own efforts. If he disagrees with Miller, if the election was hunky-dory, then what is the point of election reform.

And politicians do not have private conversations. They are always on the record, unless they say the conversation is off the record.

Are you kidding -- comments to a well known author at a fund raising event are supposed to be off the record?

"I know Mr. Miller is trying to sell his book and he feels passionately about his thesis but his recent statements about his conversation with Senator Kerry are simply not true," spokesperson Jenny Backus said. "The only thing true about his recollection of the conversation is that he gave Senator Kerry a copy of his book."

http://rawstory.com/news/2005/Senator_Kerry_rebuffs_claim_he_said_1104.html

Where in that is Kerry denying that the election was stolen? The spokesperson said only that Miller did not report the conversation accurately. NOTHING about what Kerry actually thinks of whether the election was stolen.

As for the off-the-record bit, a journalist who is trying to work with someone rather than against him, and is competent, would have verified before going to print. (Again this is from another journalist, not from my own brain, but it sure makes sense). So, are you implying that Miller was purposely trying to trap Kerry into a statement he would have to deny? Either way, we only have Miller's word for what was said. I have no reason to trust him, especially if his supporters can't posit a better explanation for his behavior than you just did.

Mark, not undercutting him.

Period.

Kerry lied because he believed no one would notice or care.

And, after this latest, many of us will not give Kerry the time of day again.

I'm sorry. You must be so exhausted.

Trust me. It's isn't worth it.

And it certainly isn't worth doing.

Here, I'll save you the trouble:

"I know Mr. Miller is trying to sell his book and he feels passionately about his thesis but his recent statements about his conversation with Senator Kerry are simply not true," spokesperson Jenny Backus said. "The only thing true about his recollection of the conversation is that he gave Senator Kerry a copy of his book."

Despite the op's assertion, Kerry has not by this statement of his spokesperson, asserted or denied anything about the election. All that was stated was that Miller got the conversation wrong, and Kerry did not say to Miller what Miller claims. That is a far fucking cry from what you all are going on about on this thread.

is undermining the most important political project of our time.

I feel that they were just attempting to, you know, actually represent something resembling reality, and it's sad that I have to feel grateful about that, but I do.

That's so inside-the-beltway speak! A apokesman provides a non denial denial, that can actually be taken as a denial. Afterall, she says "the only thing true about his recollection..." But, she could have said. "We deny this categorically." She was being cute and coy.

They do there thing, we do ours. Let's get it on. Let's get READY TO RUMBLE!!! as the prophete of the desert, Michael Buffer, likes to say.

Rather than just continue to 'lurk', wanted to let you know that I appreciate your argument in defense of Kerry.

IMHO, this whole episode has been blown completely out of proportion. Kerry's spokeperson said the conversation didn't happen as Miller indicated. eom.

Peace.

If this is leading I'd hate to see what equivocating navel gazing looks like.

So sick of this bitching that other people aren't doing things by people sitting on the Internet when there's plenty of work to be done with the 2006 primaries and elections.

The GOP is wrecking the country.

It does not appear John Kerry is the person to ever be President. He needs to take a page out of Bush's book and forget the polls. The John Kerry who spoke his mind years ago on Vietnam is no more. Forget about 2008 even if your Skull and Bones brothers promised you support. I thought I would never have to say that.

:thumbsdown:

I am mystified that he actually thinks he can run again and win the nomination. Mystified, I say.

I was never Kerry's biggest fan. I adore his wife and kids but I could take or leave the guy (except for the debates, which I thought he rocked in). He loves the sound of his own voice and he thinks too much about what he's saying and what he feels the implications may be. When he conceded he left my political landscape forever.

If anyone was ever irrelevant, IMO, it's John Kerry.

Taking credibility from the party, momentum to change the system, the efforts to secure a free election and to shine light on the illegal tactics used in the last.

Kerry needs to retire to his multi-million dollar home and step out of the way for real Americans who want to get their country back.

I'm sick of Kerry, his political posturing sickens me, nearly as much as Bush's smirk.

Maybe Kerry is working miracles behind the scenes, but you know what Mr. Kerry? We can't see behind the scenes like you, all we see are your actions in the light of day and it makes us sick. If you really are changing things and preparing a way for true change, throw us a bone for once. We're getting pretty hungry and the smell of the free barbecue over at Mr. Third Party's home is getting pretty darn enticing.

and they hate reporters making announcements for them

regardless.

enough excuses. Kerry and other Dem leaders of the past need have become addicted to failure, afraid to speak out, afraid to lead.

because you and many other DU'ers are hyperventilating over indirect quotations.

First, from Miller who is an author trying to sell his book. He didn't provide an actual quote. We don't know exactly what Kerry did or did not say, or whether Kerry was aware he was on record.

Second, Rawstory posted a story with a misleading title, attributing a statement TO SENATOR KERRY. The story then simply gives a quote from a Kerry spokesman... who could just as easily been some low level staffer with no clue.

So why not repost this inflammatory and unfounded thread when you have FACTS and ACTUAL QUOTES?

indicate whether Kerry was on record.

And Rawstory LIED in their headline.

You started a thread based on uninformed opinions and misinformation.

Except by me debunking the hearsay references?

Then it just brings up another problem from the campaign... that he surrounded himself with lousy handlers.

In JK's defense, he was a participant in the election, so it looks like sour grapes if he is leading the charge on voter fraud.

On the other hand, he ran a weak campaign and he was a flawed candidate who was too careful. The two criticisms I hear about Kerry the most: he has no personality, and I don't know what his positions are. He brought those problems on to himself.

Now it appears that maybe Kerry is going with another "nuanced" position? That he believes there was election fraud, however he doesn't believe the election was stolen?

For petes sakes, I hope the Dems aren't thinking of running Kerry (or Gore) again in 2008.

of bushco corruption thru out nation, breaking campaign laws, media pumping bush and denigrating kerry at every turn, a war president, a second term, the most lyin neg campaign ever saw.....

if kerry won; supporting election fraud

how can you say he ran a weak campaign. that is not logical, that doesnt make sense

but..... know there are holes thru out your post. this was just so fuckin glaring

and as many have noted, the election should not have been close enough in the first place that election shennanigans could tip the balance.

Kerry allowed himself to be swift boated because his pollsters told him not to respond.

That was idiotic and Kerry allowed himself to be defined.

followers they were going to hell if they voted kerry. when they faced jesus he would call up election 2004. they had all corporation. they had voting corporation. they were willing and courageous enough to lie and cheat and steal with no remorse or conscience. and you tell me, he was weak.

oh and the money they stole

hm

not sounding weak or underdog to me

Carter and George HW Bush were in the 30s. Moreover, on election day, Bush's approval rating was 51% - his vote share of the popular vote.

I'm not going to pretend that Kerry ran a perfect campaign. There were plenty of mistakes. But it's revisionist history to claim that Bush was the most vulnerable president in decades.

Ironically, your comparison with Truman is a good one. People expected Truman to lose, but in hindsight it was clear that he wasn't as vulnerable as people thought, given that HIS approval ratings also hovered around 50%.

Throw in a climate where far too many people in the middle were unwilling to "change horses in midstream" and where by a 60% margin the public did not favor withdrawal from Iraq and you have the makings of a tight race.

capable of speaking from his heart anymore.

But regarding Jimmy Carter...he, too, can kiss my ass. By saying that Jesus wouldn't condone abortion, he has tossed women's freedom aside....so he has in effect, dumped pro-choice women for some moderate pugs. Remember, when women stay home on Election Day, pugs win.

When are the Dems going to embrace Humanism, Tolerance, and Privacy and turn their backs on Control, Power, and Oppression? When are they going to EVOLVE? Why are we moving backward?

but we still don't make it illegal. Jesus doesn't condone lying, but it's not against the law. I don't think abortion is morally right, but I sure am not going to vote to pass laws against it. I love Jimmy Carter, but he needs to think this one out more.

kerry has experience, kerry and edwards and their family maintained integrity thru out campaign. the only place they tried to be a trashy repug it failed. just didnt come out of their mouth in ugly like it does with bushco. this is why dems cant do it. we arent repugs. when kerry tried to bash cheneys with daughters homosexuality. failed miserably. i think that was their most inept moment. when they were sincere and honest is when they kicked ass.

kerry and edwards excited across the nation
democrats worked ass off across the nation
kerry, edwards and their family worked tiredlessly at the millions of thing repugs and bushco and media threw out them, adn still did a kick ass job

so if you want to dismiss all the work and integrity of a year ago, screw you. i watched my repug husband, midland texas, lifetime repug listen to kerry after immediate rejection. he listen to kerrys speeches and words. he had to search for them. i watched him learn to respect and admire kerry, get excited with kerry and actually stand up and speak out, as a business owner, in the panhandle of texas. you cant define kerry for me. i have my own definition for this man. and it is NOT yours.

disavowing what he told Mark Crispin?

Thanks.

wHAt?

<supporting our most active and effective senator is a waste of time>

More active and effective than HRC?

Thanks for your insightful post. I am going to stop supporting all this worthless crap now, thanks to your stirring words! Hell, all he's doing is wasting my time with all his stupid statements about human rights, lifting up the poor, education, health care and all his other crazy ramblings about "values" and "accountability" and "reform".
WTF's wrong with you, Kerry? I have spent HOURS reading all this crap you've been doing over the past year.
Quit wasting my time!

11/04/2005 The Rosa Parks Memorial Statue Act of 2005 (S. 1959)
11/02/2005 Senator John Kerry’s Eulogy of Rosa Parks
11/02/2005 Senators Bill Nelson, John Kerry Aim to Curb Increases In Medicare Premiums for Seniors
11/01/2005 Statement by John Kerry on Tax Reform
11/01/2005 Statement by John Kerry on Closed-Door Senate Session and Senate Failures to Investigate Pre-War Intelligence
11/01/2005 Kerry's June 2005 letter to the Intelligence Committee
11/01/2005 Roberts Reponse:
10/31/2005 Statement by John Kerry on the Nomination of Judge Samuel Alito to the Supreme Court
10/31/2005 Senator Kerry, Congressman Markey Fight to Protect Patients' Privacy
10/28/2005 John Kerry on Bush’s Terrorism Speech Today
10/28/2005 Statement by John Kerry on Indictments in CIA Leak Case
10/27/2005 Statement by Senator John Kerry on the Withdrawal of Harriet Miers' Nomination to the Supreme Court
10/26/2005 Statement from John Kerry on the Passing of Congressman Ed Roybal
10/26/2005 Statement from John Kerry on The Loss of the 2,000th American Service Member in Iraq
10/26/2005 Statement from John Kerry on Senate Defeat of LIHEAP Amendment
10/26/2005 Senator John Kerry Lays Out Path Forward in Iraq
10/25/2005 John Kerry Statement on Passing of Rosa Parks
10/24/2005 Statement by Senator John Kerry on Nomination Of Ben S. Bernanke to Serve as Chairman of the Federal Reserve
10/20/2005 John Kerry on Commerce Committee Defeat of McCain Amendment
10/19/2005 John Kerry to Introduce Legislation to Help Prevent Future Dam Emergencies
10/18/2005 STATEMENT FROM SENATOR JOHN KERRY ON TAUNTON EVACUATION
10/18/2005 STATEMENT FROM SENATOR JOHN KERRY ON TAUNTON EVACUATION
10/18/2005 Kerry, Kennedy Urge President Bush to Fully Fund LIHEAP
10/14/2005 John Kerry Statement on Passing of Vivian Malone Jones
10/13/2005 Senator John Kerry on Small Business Administration's Role in Hurricane Reconstruction:
10/13/2005 John Kerry Statement on Passing of Dr. C. DeLores Tucker
10/12/2005 Kerry, New England Senators Call on Bush Administration to Increase Energy Assistance for Low Income Families, Seniors
10/07/2005 Kerry on Bush Speech, President’s Attacks on Critics
10/05/2005 John Kerry on Senate Defeat of LIHEAP Amendment
10/04/2005 Senate to Debate Kerry LIHEAP Amendment This Week
10/03/2005 Statement on the Nomination of Harriet Miers for Associate Justice
09/29/2005 Kerry, Durbin, Solis, Hastings Fight to Protect Public Health And Environmental Equality in the Gulf Coast
09/26/2005 John Kerry Addresses American Competitiveness
09/23/2005 John Kerry Joins Effort to Protect Communities' Rights to Provide Broadband Services
09/22/2005 Kerry Introduces Plan to Combat Global HIV/AIDS, Neglected Diseases
09/21/2005 John Kerry Opposes Roberts’ Nomination for Chief Justice
09/21/2005 Remarks by Senator John Kerry on His Opposition to Judge Roberts' Nomination for Chief Justice
09/20/2005 John Kerry Addresses African American Prostate Cancer Summit; Demands Washington Address Racial Disparities
09/19/2005 John Kerry Addresses the Lessons of Katrina
09/15/2005 John Kerry Responds to President Bush’s Speech to the Nation
09/15/2005 Senate Passes Kerry Legislation to Provide Tax Relief, Help Guard and Reserve Troops Hurt By Katrina
09/14/2005 John Kerry: Administration Must Investigate Gas Price Gouging
09/13/2005 John Kerry Statement on President Bush’s Failure to Respond to Hurricane’s Devastation
09/13/2005 OTIS REMAINS OPEN FOR NEW MISSION
09/12/2005 Senator John Kerry on Resignation of FEMA Director
09/09/2005 John Kerry Says SBA Must be Held Accountable for Misuse of 9/11 Funds
09/09/2005 John Kerry Offers Major Package of Legislation to Help Small Businesses, Others Devastated by Hurricane Katrina
09/07/2005 Kerry, Kennedy and Meehan Demand EPA Cleans Up Water Contamination at W.R. Grace Superfund Site
09/07/2005 Kennedy, Kerry Announce Introduction of Lowell Park Expansion Legislation
09/06/2005 Senator Kerry Applauds Fight to Keep Otis Open, A-10s at Barnes
09/04/2005 Senator John Kerry on the Passing of Chief Justice William Rehnquist
08/26/2005 Senator John Kerry on BRAC Commission’s Decision on Otis and Barnes Air National Guard Bases
08/26/2005 STATEMENT FROM SENATOR JOHN KERRY ON BRAC VOTES ON HANSCOM
08/25/2005 Senator John Kerry Commends Decision of BRAC to Keep Portsmouth Naval Shipyard Open
08/23/2005 John Kerry Says Proposed Fuel Economy Standards Don’t Address Problems with Foreign Oil, High Gas Prices
08/17/2005 SENATOR KERRY, SENATOR KENNEDY ANNOUNCE GRANT FOR MEDFORD LAW ENFORCEMENT
08/17/2005 SENATORS KERRY AND KENNEDY ANNOUNCE FEDERAL GRANT TO WEST SPRINGFIELD POLICE DEPARTMENT FOR FINGERPRINTING TECHNOLOGY
08/17/2005 SENATORS KERRY AND KENNEDY ANNOUNCE FEDERAL GRANT TO WEST SPRINGFIELD POLICE DEPARTMENT FOR FINGERPRINTING TECHNOLOGY
08/13/2005 Senator John Kerry Delivered Democratic Hispanic Radio Address on Saturday August 13, 2005
08/13/2005 Senador de Massachussets, John Kerry, Emite el Mensaje Semanal Demócrata por Radio
08/12/2005 Senator John Kerry Delivered Democratic Hispanic Radio Address
08/10/2005 Kerry, Kennedy, Romney and Delahunt Say New Calculations Show Defense Department Overstates Savings from Closing Otis ANGB by $500 Million Dollars
08/09/2005 John Kerry Says Energy Policy Fails Americans
08/08/2005 Statement by John Kerry on the Passing of John H. Johnson
08/08/2005 Statement by John Kerry on the Passing of Peter Jennings
08/03/2005 John Kerry on the 40th Anniversary of the Voting Rights Act
08/01/2005 Statement by John Kerry on Recess Appointment of John Bolton as U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations
07/29/2005 SENATOR JOHN KERRY LAUDS DECISION BY THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION TO KEEP MASSACHUSETTS TAXPAYER ASSISTANCE CENTERS OPEN AND URGES THE ADMINISTRATION TO SAVE BOSTON CALL SITE
07/29/2005 Senators Kerry and Kennedy Lead Bipartisan Effort to Get Emergency Funds for Shellfishermen
07/29/2005 John Kerry Says Energy Bill Fails Americans
07/27/2005 John Kerry Says Revolution in Telecommunications Must be Addressed in Legislation
07/26/2005 Senator John Kerry, Senator Edward Kennedy, Representative Michael Capuano Join the Massachusetts Coalition to Save Darfur to Raise Awareness of the Genocide
07/26/2005 Senators on Both Sides of the Aisle Call on President Bush to Release Home Energy Funds for Relief from Extreme Heat and Record Energy Costs
07/26/2005 Finance Committee Passes Kerry Plan to Protect Pensions, Hold CEOs Accountable
07/25/2005 Senators Urge Congressional Investigation Into Leak of CIA Agent Valerie Plame’s Name
07/22/2005 Kerry: American People Must Know Roberts' Record on Civil Rights
07/21/2005 Kerry, House and Senate Environmental Leaders Call for Administration To Reverse Backwards March on Environmental Justice
07/20/2005 Bush Administration Blocking Gas-Price Relief for Farmers, Truckers, Small Businesses
07/20/2005 John Kerry: Protect the Bill of Rights and Freedom of the Press
07/20/2005 John Kerry: Fewer Speeches, More Action Needed on Port Security
07/19/2005 Statement by John Kerry on the Nomination of John G. Roberts to the Supreme Court
07/19/2005 STATEMENT FROM SENATOR JOHN KERRY ON BRAC COMMISSION HEARING TODAY
07/18/2005 Senator John Kerry Announces $8,037,000 Grant Awarded to the Massachusetts Victim Witness Assistance Board
07/18/2005 Senator John Kerry Calls for Immediate Action on Veterans’ Health Care
07/15/2005 MASSACHUSETTS CONGRESSIONAL DELEGATION DEMANDS SANTORUM APOLOGY
07/14/2005 Statement of Senator John Kerry on Homeland Security Bill
07/14/2005 Statement of Senator John Kerry: White House Claim that Too Much is Being Spent On Veterans’ Health Care is “Outrageous”
07/14/2005 Senator John Kerry Fights for Red Tide Program Funds, Criticizes Bush Budget Cuts
07/13/2005 John Kerry on Rick Santorum's Insult to Massachusetts and Abuse Victims Everywhere
07/12/2005 Senate Adopts Port Security Amendment to Homeland Security Bill
07/12/2005 John Kerry: America’s National Security - Not Karl Rove’s Job Security - Should be Administration’s Only Priority
07/12/2005 SENATOR JOHN KERRY AND SENATOR EDWARD KENNEDY ANNOUNCE $13,709 GRANT TO BOLSTER LAW ENFORCEMENT EFFORTS IN WARREN
07/12/2005 Senator John Kerry Works to Secure America’s Ports
07/07/2005 Statement from Senator John Kerry On Terrorist Bombings in London
07/06/2005 SENATOR JOHN KERRY FIGHTS FOR MASSACHUSETTS BASES AT PUBLIC BRAC HEARING
07/01/2005 Sen. John Kerry On The Retirement of Associate Justice Sandra Day O’Connor
06/30/2005 John Kerry continues to fight against LNG in Fall River
06/30/2005 John Kerry: CAFTA is a Giant Step Backward
06/29/2005 PRO-TRADE DEMOCRATS BLAST BUSH TRADE POLICY
06/29/2005 John Kerry on Medicaid: The Status Quo is Broken, Especially When It Comes to Kids
06/28/2005 New York Times The Speech the President Should Give
06/28/2005 Statement by John Kerry on Bush’s Fort Bragg Speech
06/28/2005 John Kerry Speaks Out on Iraq, Details Concrete Steps President Must Take to Rescue the Mission
06/24/2005 Kerry Fights to Help Small Businesses and Farmers Deal with Soaring Fuel Costs
06/23/2005 STATEMENT FROM SENATOR JOHN KERRY ON ADMINISTRATION’S DENIAL TO DECLARE MASSACHUSETTS RED TIDE CRISIS A NATIONAL DISASTER
06/23/2005 Kerry on Rove Comments: Make America Safe, Not Divided
06/23/2005 STATEMENT OF SENATOR JOHN KERRY ON NO CHILD LEFT BEHIND REPORT BY MASSACHUSETTS PUBLIC EDUCATION COALITION
06/23/2005 John Kerry: Time for a Policy Wake-Up Call on China
06/22/2005 Kerry joins Bipartisan Group in Offering Climate Change Amendment to Energy Bill
06/22/2005 Kerry Statement on the Release of the DNC Voting Rights Institute Ohio Report
06/21/2005 John Kerry on Marine Corps Report on Equipment Shortages
06/16/2005 Commerce Department Answers Call from Senator Kerry and the Massachusetts Delegation to Declare a Fishery Disaster in Massachusetts
06/16/2005 New Report: Private Accounts Would Cut Benefits, Increase Costs for Small Businesses
06/15/2005 John Kerry Fights to Protect Medicaid Benefits in Massachusetts and the Nation
06/15/2005 John Kerry Urges Bush Administration to Keep Massachusetts IRS Taxpayer Assistance Centers Open that Help Elderly and Low-Income Citizens
06/15/2005 John Kerry on GOP Proposal to Raise Retirement Age
06/15/2005 Kerry Takes Aim at Bush Energy Scheme
06/14/2005 CAFTA Information
06/14/2005 SBA RESPONDS TO SENATOR JOHN KERRY’S REQUEST TO DECLARE THE RED TIDE CRISIS AN ECONOMIC DISASTER TODAY
06/14/2005 John Kerry: After Decades of Inaction, A Time to Heal A Nation’s Wounds Over Lynching
06/13/2005 Jeffords and Kerry File Renewables Amendment To Energy Bill
06/13/2005 John Kerry: We Need a New, Common-Sense Approach to Trade
06/12/2005 John Kerry Applauds RiverFest for the Concord, Sudbury and Assabet Rivers
06/10/2005 Massachusetts Congressional Delegation Asks Commerce Department to Declare Massachusetts Disaster Area in Wake of Red Tide Crisis
06/10/2005 STATEMENT FROM JOHN KERRY ON GOVERNOR ROMNEY'S EFFORTS TO AID FISHERMEN
06/09/2005 SENATOR KERRY CONGRATULATES OUTSTANDING NCO OF THE YEAR STAFF SERGEANT ADAM BERG
06/09/2005 Kerry and Waxman Call for GAO Investigation Of Manipulated Climate Change Science
06/08/2005 John Kerry and Massachusetts Delegation Members Senator Kennedy and Congressmen Frank, Tierney, Delahunt and McGovern Strongly Urges Governor Romney to Act Quickly to Aid Fishermen in Red Tide Crisis
06/08/2005 John Kerry and Massachusetts Delegation Members Senator Kennedy and Congressmen Frank, Tierney, Delahunt and McGovern Strongly Urges SBA to Act Quickly to Aid Fishermen in Red Tide Crisis
06/02/2005 Pepperell Springs Conservation Effort Complete
05/31/2005 John Kerry to Join Students and Parents in Round Table Discussion on the Future of Head Start
05/31/2005 John Kerry to Visit Massachusetts College of Liberal Arts to Meet with Students and Staff of the TRIO Program
05/31/2005 Senator John Kerry to Visit Upper Housatonic River Valley to Highlight the Importance of Designating it a National Historic Preservation Area
05/31/2005 John Kerry to Host Town Hall Meeting on Issues Affecting Massachusetts’ Seniors
05/31/2005 John Kerry to Participate in Opening Ceremonies with the Kinsella Family at Brockton Rox Baseball Game
05/31/2005 Statement from John Kerry on Governor Romney’s Veto of the Stem Cell research bill passed by the Massachusetts Legislature
05/27/2005 Senator Kerry Honors Massachusetts War Heroes on Memorial Day Weekend, 2005
05/25/2005 Statement by John Kerry on Vote on Priscilla Owen
05/25/2005 Congressional Delegation United on NStar Utility Workers
05/24/2005 Fallout from "Nuclear Option
05/24/2005 Statement by John Kerry on Stem Cell Research
05/22/2005 Senator Kerry delivered at BU Medical School
05/19/2005 John Kerry on “Nuclear Option” on Judicial Nominees
05/18/2005 Statement by John Kerry on Massachusetts Lawsuit to Stop Toxic Mercury Pollution
05/17/2005 KENNEDY AND KERRY ANNOUNCE RECORD TRANSPORTATION FUNDING FOR MASSACHUSETTS – A $1.17 BILLION INCREASE OVER TEA-21
05/17/2005 Statement by John Kerry on the 51st Anniversary of Brown v. Board of Education
05/15/2005 John Kerry on New Mercury Rules:
05/13/2005 Statement by John Kerry On Pentagon’s Base Closure List
05/12/2005 Statement by John Kerry on Bolton Nomination
05/12/2005 John Kerry: It's Time to Reign in the Spin
05/05/2005 Statement by Senator John Kerry In Observance of Holocaust Remembrance Day
05/05/2005 John Kerry on Harmful Changes to “Roadless Rule”
04/28/2005 Kerry, Lautenberg Introduce Legislation to Stop Taxpayer-Funded Fake News Hearing on Bill Set for Early May
04/27/2005 John Kerry: White House, Congress Should “Go Back to the Drawing Board” on Energy Plan
04/25/2005 John Kerry to Address America’s Dangerous Dependence on Saudi Oil
04/21/2005 John Kerry on Republican Congressional Leadership's Failure To Focus on Real Priorities of the American People
04/21/2005 John Kerry on Republican Congressional Leadership's Failure To Focus on Real Priorities of the American People
04/21/2005 John Kerry to Address Republican Congressional Leadership's Failure to Focus On Real Priorities of the American People
04/20/2005 John Kerry on Retirement of Senator Jim Jeffords
04/20/2005 John Kerry: It’s Time for President Bush to Address Gas Prices, Dependence on Foreign Oil
04/19/2005 John Kerry at Senate Hearing on Toxic Mercury Pollution
04/19/2005 John Kerry at Senate Hearing on Toxic Mercury Pollution
04/19/2005 Senator John Kerry spoke this afternoon at a Senate hearing on toxic mercury pollution. The Merrimack Valley is one of nine mercury 'hotspots,' or areas with elevated mercury levels, in New England. The Senate Democratic Policy Committee held the hearing on mercury in response to repeated denials of Republican-led committees to hold hearings on the matter.
04/19/2005 John Kerry Fights to Halt Devastating Transit Cuts to Massachusetts Projects
04/19/2005 Statement from Senator John Kerry on Pope Benedict XVI
04/18/2005 Senate OKs death benefit boost for families of active-duty troops
04/14/2005 Channel 5 in Boston Reports on John Kerry's Victory for Military Families
04/14/2005 Kerry, Lautenberg Secure Hearing and Mark-Up on Fake News
04/14/2005 Senators John Kerry and Frank Lautenberg Say Taxpayer-funded “News” Abused by Administration Should Have Disclaimer
04/13/2005 Kerry pushes military initiative
04/13/2005 Senator Kerry Takes Military Story to the Senate
04/13/2005 Senate Passes Two John Kerry Amendments for Troops
04/12/2005 John Kerry Fights to Add Troop Benefits to Supplemental
04/11/2005 Statement by John Kerry on John Bolton’s Nomination as U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations
04/07/2005 Kerry: Publicize benefit for vets
04/04/2005 Stem-cell Research is Pro-Life
04/02/2005 Statement from Sen. John Kerry on the Passing of Pope John Paul II
03/30/2005
03/30/2005 Bush's Budget Assaults Our Values, by John Kerry
03/29/2005 Budgeting our values, by John Kerry
03/29/2005 Leading health care, children's and labor organizations support KidsFirst
03/27/2005 Dishonest' Bush budget ignores needs of the nation, by John Kerry
03/26/2005 Budgeting our values, by John Kerry
03/25/2005 Thanks to Dedicated Citizens, Assabet National Wildlife Refuge Opens
03/25/2005 SENATOR KERRY ANNOUNCES $267,986 STUDENT SUPPORT SERVICES GRANT FOR MASSACHUSETTS COLLEGE OF LIBERAL ARTS
03/25/2005 Bush’s latest budget plan is assault on country’s values, by John Kerry
03/24/2005 Leahy, Jeffords, Boxer and Kerry
03/22/2005 John Kerry on EPA Hiding Harvard Scientific Data on Health Effects of Mercury
03/17/2005 John Kerry Statement on Senate Action to Save Medicaid from Drastic Cuts
03/17/2005 John Kerry Says Washington Budget is Out of Touch With American Values
03/17/2005 Statement by John Kerry on Senate Action to Save Medicaid from Drastic Cuts
03/17/2005 Senate Passes Landrieu-Kerry Reserve Fund For Reservists and Small Businesses
03/16/2005 John Kerry will make a major speech on America's budget priorities on Thursday, March 17, to the Center for National Policy
03/16/2005 Statement by John Kerry on Paul Wolfowitz’s Nomination to be President of the World Bank
03/16/2005 LAWMAKERS ANNOUNCE NEW FUNDS FOR YOUTHBUILD PROGRAMS IN MASSACHUSETTS
03/16/2005 Senate Opens Arctic Refuge to Drilling
03/15/2005 Senator John Kerry fights to establish the Upper Housatonic Valley National Heritage Area in Massachusetts and Connecticut
03/15/2005 Senator John Kerry fights to establish the Upper Housatonic Valley National Heritage Area in Massachusetts and Connecticut
03/15/2005 John Kerry on New Mercury Rules:
03/15/2005 Senators John Kerry and Maria Cantwell Team Up to Fight Drilling for Oil in Arctic Refuge
03/14/2005 Kerry, Cantwell Fight Arctic Drilling
03/11/2005 Statement of the National Association of Public Hospitals and Health Systems in Support of the “Kids Come First Act of 2005” (S. 114)
03/11/2005 Statement from Edward J. McElroy, President, American Federation of Teachers, Supporting “Kids First Act of 2005”
03/11/2005 “Kids Come First Act” Addresses Medicaid Challenges Facing Children
03/11/2005 Vote Kids Lends Support to Kids First Bill:
03/11/2005 March of Dimes Supports “Kids Come First Act of 2005”
03/09/2005 John Kerry Announces Half-Million ‘Citizen Cosponsors’ Of KidsFirst Health Care Plan
03/09/2005 John Kerry grassroots press conference
03/09/2005 John Kerry on Bush's Energy Plan: "Americans Deserve Better"
03/08/2005 Kerry Organizes Grassroots Coalition Behind KidsFirst Act, Calls for Senate Action
03/08/2005 John Kerry on President Clinton
03/07/2005 Statement by John Kerry on John Bolton's Nomination to be Ambassador to the United Nations
03/03/2005 Kerry, Bipartisan Coalition Win 11th Hour Push to Save Boston Teacher from Deportation
03/02/2005 A Pioneer in Civil Rights
03/02/2005 Working to Strenthen the American Military
03/02/2005 Jackie Robinson to Receive Congressional Gold Medal
03/02/2005 Jackie Robinson Receives Congressional Gold Medal For His Civil Rights Work
02/28/2005 Our military needs a better ally at home
02/24/2005 John Kerry on U.S.-Russia Nuclear Agreement
02/17/2005 John Kerry Calls for Election Reform
02/16/2005 John Kerry on Climate Change:
02/15/2005 John Kerry: Military Families Must be Part of Supplemental
02/14/2005 John Kerry Says America Must Stand By Our Military
02/11/2005 Senator John Kerry to Discuss Strengthening America's Military at Annual Worcester Telegram & Gazette Visions Ceremony
02/09/2005 John Kerry on Medicare Costs Estimates and the Health Care Crisis in America
02/09/2005 Remarks by Senator John Kerry on Climate Change
02/08/2005 John Kerry to Address Climate Change at The Brookings
02/07/2005 Statement by John Kerry on the President’s Budget
02/03/2005 Statement by John Kerry on the Nomination of Alberto Gonzales for Attorney General
02/03/2005 Statement by John Kerry on Social Security
02/02/2005 Statement by John Kerry on State of the Union Address
01/31/2005 Statement by John Kerry on the President’s Budget
01/27/2005 Remarks by Senator John Kerry on Kids First to Families USA
01/27/2005 John Kerry Rallies Families USA to Fight for "Kids First"
01/27/2005 Senator John Kerry "Kids First"
01/26/2005 John Kerry’s “Kids Come First” Act
01/21/2005 THE ARCTIC NATIONAL WILDLIFE REFUGE
01/19/2005 Senator John Kerry Opposes Nomination Of Dr. Condoleezza Rice for Secretary of State
01/16/2005 Senator John Kerry Statement on Martin Luther King, Jr.
01/16/2005 Statement of Senator John Kerry
01/16/2005 Statement of Senator John Kerry
01/14/2005 STANDING BY OUR TROOPS AND MILITARY FAMILIES
01/06/2005 Statement by Senator Kerry on the Nomination of Alberto Gonzales for Attorney General
01/05/2005 Senator Kerry Statement on the Congressional Certification of Electoral College Results
12/10/2004 John Kerry Calls on Rumsfeld to Investigate Why Troops Lack
12/08/2004 Senator John Kerry’s Statement on Election Reform
12/08/2004 Senator John Kerry’s Statement on Energy Report
12/08/2004 Senator John Kerry’s Statement on Intelligence Reform
12/08/2004 Senator John Kerry’s Statement on Intelligence Reform
11/24/2004 Senator John Kerry’s Statement on Energy Report
11/24/2004 LAWMAKERS ANNOUNCE NEW FUNDS FOR U MASS DARTMOUTH PROGRAMS THAT BENEFIT SOUTHEASTERN MASSACHUSETTS
11/23/2004 LAWMAKERS ANNOUNCE FUNDS FOR NEW BEDFORD
11/23/2004 KERRY, KENNEDY, DELAHUNT SECURE $700,000 FOR PLIMOTH PLANTATION EDUCATIONAL PROGRAMS:
11/23/2004 Congressman Capuano, Senators Kennedy and Kerry Secure $5 Million for Somerville Projects
11/23/2004 KENNEDY, KERRY, DELAHUNT SECURE $700,000 FOR PLIMOTH PLANTATION EDUCATIONAL
11/23/2004 KENNEDY, KERRY, DELAHUNT ANNOUNCE $500,000 FOR MARTHA’S VINEYARD HOSPITAL
11/23/2004 MEMBERS OF CONGRESS ANNOUNCE FINAL PHASE OF SNESL IMMIGRATION LAW CLINIC
11/23/2004 KERRY, KENNEDY AND FRANK ANNOUNCE FUNDING TO COMPLETE ROUTE 106 REHABILITATION
11/23/2004 KERRY, KENNEDY, MCGOVERN AND FRANK ANNOUNCE NEW FUNDING FOR FALL RIVER
11/23/2004 Kennedy, Kerry and Capuano Secure Millions for Important Cambridge
11/23/2004 KENNEDY, KERRY & DELAHUNT DELIVER $1 MILLION TO FIGHT CANCER
11/23/2004 KERRY, KENNEDY AND LYNCH ANNOUNCE $1.5 MILLION IN FEDERAL FUNDING FOR BROCKTON PRIORITIES:
11/23/2004 KENNEDY, KERRY, CAPUANO, LYNCH AND MARKEY ANNOUNCE FEDERAL ASSISTANCE FOR THE GREATER BOSTON AREA
11/23/2004 KENNEDY, KERRY, & LYNCH ANNOUNCE $200,000 IN FEDERAL FUNDING TO IMPROVE DRINKING WATER IN BRAINTREE, HOLBROOK AND RANDOLPH
11/22/2004 Kerry Gets Unfair Tariffs Lifted:
11/22/2004 KERRY, KENNEDY AND Markey Secure $9.23 Million for Projects in the 7th District of Massachusetts
11/22/2004 KERRY, KENNEDY AND MCGOVERN ANNOUNCE OVER $3.2 MILLION FOR WORCESTER AREA
11/22/2004 KERRY, KENNEDY AND OLVER ANNOUNCE NEARLY $2.4 MILLION FOR UMA
11/22/2004 KERRY, KENNEDY AND TIERNEY ANNOUNCE $550,000 FOR NORTH SHORE COMMUNITY
11/22/2004 KERRY, KENNEDY, OLVER AND NEAL ANNOUNCE $37 MILLION IN FEDERAL ASSISTANCE FOR WESTERN
11/22/2004 KERRY, KENNEDY AND TIERNEY SECURE $900,000 FOR ESSEX NATIONAL HERITAGE
11/22/2004 Kerry, Kennedy and McGovern ANNOUNCE OVER $4 MILLION FOR ATTLEBORO, FRANKLIN AND SEEKONK
11/22/2004 KERRY, KENNEDY, OLVER AND NEAL ANNOUNCE $750,000 FOR CONNECTICUT RIVER
11/19/2004 Senators Edward M. Kennedy and John F. Kerry Announce Their Opposition to the Proposed LNG Facility for Fall River in a letter to FERC
11/19/2004 Kerry Statement on Increase in Debt Limit
11/17/2004 Kerry Fights to Restore Fiscal Responsibility
http://kerry.senate.gov/v3/cfm/press-statement.cfm

to remember all the shit. this is just so much easier to copy and paste. after all this dem said kerry has done NOTHING. and expects not to be challenged about the honesty in that statement

again, thanks

that people are willing to overlook all the good that Sen Kerry is doing and focus on two words he may or may not have said at a party.
This whole brouhaha is bullshit. Sen Kerry has spoken out about election fraud and voter disenfranchisement. There are still lawsuits in Ohio.
How can the unsubstantiated words of one person reporting two words spoken(maybe)by Sen Kerry at a party supercede all the good he's is doing?
I'm thinking of two other words. Guess what they are?
Waste of time, my ass.

...but this is not the problem here.
Kerry was elected president of the United States with over 60 million votes. Now that's a hell of a mandate for any politician.
The post was not questioning his work as a Senator but rather his cowardice as a presidential candidate. He was the only who could have echoed concerns about last year's election and he totally failed to do that. He witnessed more than 60 million people being cheated and losing their right to live in a free country where Democracy was still surviving, and did nothing, not one word, nothing.
And you know what, his failure to act has caused us nothing but trouble. Turn back the clock if you will and imagine how well the country could have been run by a man like Kerry at the helm, that's where all that senatorial experience would have come in handy.
Now we are left with * for another three years and since no one is interested in election reform what do you think is gonna happen in 2006, republican gains leading them to controlling two thirds of congress.
Be serious now, the man had balls when he was younger and now he is just a shadow of his former self. His non actions amount to a crime.
If he really was interested in the welfare of all Americans, the greatest single act of his political career would have been to throw well justified doubts over the validity of the election results on Nov. 3rd.

they dont have the judges in their pockets, but you suggest kerry should have stood up nov 3 and said, i will not concede. this election was fraudulently stolen from me. i dont have proof. i just know it in my guts. trust me

and media would have done what to him?
repugs would have done what to him?
a strong and overwhelming dems that didnt/dont support theft would have done what to kerry?

majority on this board attacked those of us that said election was stolen. many on the board that are now yelling at kerry for not standing up, where the ones telling us we were full of shit to say election was stolen

what you suggest kerry do is unreasonable. but unreasonable you want so he can say i have guts

like the i dare you of an adolescent boy. he is not a 13 yr old and doesn't behave like one

what did you expect him to do nov 3rd

"and media would have done what to him?
repugs would have done what to him?
a strong and overwhelming dems that didnt/dont support theft would have done what to kerry?"

The point is not what the media, repugs and corporatist dems might or might not have done to him, the point here is that considering all the evidence of voter suppression, malfunctioning machines, exit polls and common sense, it would have been easy for him to take his time in conceding and raising questions, valid questions.
A simple statement like "We are evaluating some of the reports we have received from concerned voters and election observers before conceding that the Kerry-Edwards campaign has lost the presidential elections, we do not wish to have a repeat of the debacle of 2000 but we simply must take into consideration the worries of our constituents. I promised that every vote would be counted and that is one promise I intend to keep. We all want to have a clean and efficient election where the winner is proclaimed on the front pages of newspapers the next day. So I'm sorry to disappoint you gentlemen but the people who have voted for me deserve that I take seriously the reports that have been forwarded to me overnight concerning voter suppression, disenfranchisement and technical malfunctions of voting equipment. If these allegations turn out to be of a baseless nature I will be content that our election system is safe and that democracy is alive and strong in our great nation. If however these are not isolated cases and voters feel that their votes were not fairly counted I will do my hardest to ensure that I can allay their fears by proving to them that this election was fair and clean.
By conceding I would single handedly dismiss the hard work of all those who helped my campaign and the millions of Americans who have voted for me. When it is proven that this election was free and fair and that all reports of irregularities were false and it is proven beyond the shadow of a doubt that I received less electoral votes than my opponent then I will concede. Until then lets investigate, because every single vote should be counted, no one should feel like they have been cheated out of their right to vote, no one should have to question the integrity of our great democracy, I should not be asking for proof that every vote was counted; but today I am forced by the mandate afforded to me by the millions who voted for me to seriously consider the evidence presented to me by my constituents with regards to irregularities in the voting process of the presidential election of november the second 2004. Thank you."
He exits to the right and then who knows maybe election fraud is not such a taboo issue after all.

who said supporting Sen Kerry is a waste of time, but regardless...

To reply to your post, I don't agree that he was the only one who could have echoed concerns about last year's election (why is that?), although he has done just that.

December 2004
WASHINGTON, D.C. –Senator John Kerry released the following statement today on election reform:
"It's critical that we investigate and understand any and every voting irregularity anywhere in our country, not because it would change the outcome of the election but because Americans have to believe that their votes are counted in our democracy. We should be working together to reform the system because it should be unacceptable to anyone, Democrat or Republican, that in the United States many people still don't have full confidence in the integrity of the voting process. I want every vote counted in this election, but I also want to make sure there are no questions or doubts in future elections. That's not too much to ask in the world's greatest democracy and model for free elections."
http://kerry.senate.gov/v3/cfm/record.cfm?id=229965

Feb 2005
“Free and fair elections are the foundation of our democracy. In the last year, millions more Americans registered and went to the polls than ever before. We saw millions in Iraq and Afghanistan vote for the first time in their lives. Yet, thousands upon thousands of Americans still fear that when they walk into the polls to vote, there is a very real chance that their vote will not be counted or they will lose the opportunity to vote at all because they are forced to stand in line for hours due to a shortage of machines.
“Faulty voting machines have no place in the greatest democracy on earth. Barriers to voting are an insult to the freest, greatest nation in the world.
“Last month, I sent out an email to Americans urging them to ask the Republican leadership in the House and Senate to make election reform a priority this Congress. In just one day 35,000 people called Senator Frist and Congressman Hastert's offices and urged them to hold hearings on election reform. I'm committed to making sure their voices are heard and Congress and the Administration make electoral reform a reality this year.
http://kerry.senate.gov/v3/cfm/record.cfm?id=232268

Last week in Boston when he used the 'F' word.
The other day at Rosa Parks' funeral.
The ongoing lawsuits in Ohio.
There is more.

So, when you say "not one word", I beg to disagree.
He has said plenty about election reform. Just because he didn't say what you might want him to say, doesn't mean he's been silent.

Politics is about keeping momentum, keeping the ball rolling, striking the iron while it's still hot.
By conceding he had no political footing left.
He went from having over 60 millions constituents to almost none and he also had everybody's attention back then.
Maybe he felt he wasn't ready to be president and considering how he acted he was probably right. If he couldn't fight for the rights of his voters then how was he supposed to fight for the rights every citizen in the country.

:wow:

Obviously, just a slacker now that the 2004 election is over.

:eyes:

Too bad the posters on this thread aren't reading what's been posted already.

you are right, as far as I'm concerned.

In the same situation, I would vote for Kerry all over again, though. Even as flawed as he was, he would have been a so much better president than the nasty, little weasel we have in there now. Too bad a real leader won't step forth. I have the feeling that the GOP threatens the families of Dem politicians. We all know how handy they are with plane engines. Still, someone needs to have some guts....for America.