Is Alito a good thing???

Is Alita a win/win situation for democrats? If he is confirmed (which he most likelly will be) it may take away the religious right facors.

If he overturns Roe vs. Wade, the relgious right is satisified, no longer vote or see the need to support the Republicans --they are after all one issue voters. Plus, since the majority of voters support abortion rights, it might actually be a rallying poing for the Democrats and mobilize us better.

If Roe vs. Wade is NOT overturned (which I suspect it will not be), it is the Republicans fault.

What happens where other matters of concern hang in the balance?

the "wackos" will then start hammering on state legislators every to pass draconian laws to drag us all back into the 19th century, and perhaps even farther back into the 11th century.

worker's rights laws, ban all types of media from porn to literature, gut the power of government to apply zoning and land use laws, union busting, free speech, etc. The list goes on and on. Think of America during the robber baron era and you'll get the idea.

but I cannot help thinking that maybe we have to bottom out. The fact that Bush's approval rating is STILL in the mid to high thirties after all of this is amazing to me.

I sometimes wonder if we do not have to go through Hell before we can see the lights.

overturning Roe vs Wade would be a disaster,and while it could be hung around republican necks your post is equivalent of wishing slavery would be returned-a win for the dems-yes but a human tragedy...keep in mind blowing away the republicans doesn't mean you get to change the supreme court overnight...I would never take a republican loss in public opinions polls over the loss of a single poor girl's choice to control her own body...never confuse political advantage with moral behavior...

The issue would become a state issue. I'll bet that more states would have legal abortion than not. A whole lot more.

They will get FEDERAL legislation passed to impose their will on states which won't cooperate with their religious agenda, of which there will be many. Understand? Just look at what they are trying to do NOW; Federal ban against PBA, Federal Parental Notification Law, Constitutional Amendment to ban Gay Marriage, etc. No, in the end, they will not leave it up to the states to decide.

and I deliberately did NOT capitalize is ANY of your 250 million co-citizens forced into a birth they don't want-in 1860 "most" citizens were not slaves...exact analogy-NO, but some women will have their lives changed by children they don't want-I can't judge but neither can you-a story about orphanages and adoptions does not get it...and abortion for "most" doesn't get it either...are rights for "most" people enough for you???

But from your point of view, you are absolutely correct.

In my view the only way the USSC can overrule Wase and turn it into a disaster is to say that a fetus is a person entitled to every imaginable right from the moment of conception. That would be a disaster.

and they answer to Rome...so the longer this drags out, the greater the possibility that the Fundies might not be so satisfied with him, or fearful that the Secret Hotline from the Vatican to the Supreme Court will be ringing off the hook!

Alito would make the Catholic vote on the Court a 5-4 majority. Perhaps they fear Ash Wednesday will be made a Federal Holiday???? Or Catholicism will be made the state religion?

Not all of them are that stupid, but some are--and all it takes is the "whacko" factor to derail anything. They like throwing their weight around, they've become used to it, and do not like being ignored...we'll just have to wait and see what develops...

Yes, indeed. If he is a Papist tool let us go out into the huskings and tell our Freeper buddies all about it, and that secret phone line to the Vatican, over and over again.

Hammer them with the fact that five justices are tools of the Great Satan and are only waiting their chance to make this a Catholic Nation in the model of Dark Ages Europe.

Oh, we just loves it, my preciousss....

http://www.catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/0506179.htm

Amazing--there have only been TEN Catholics in HISTORY on the Supremes so far, he would be Number Eleven, so this could be spun out as some serious court packing...

Is this to satisfy the Skull and Bones society? You do know about the Skull and Bones society, don't you? Kerry is also Catholic and a member of the Skull and Bones society. A connection? Are * and Kerry in cahoots? You tell me!!! All I know is it looks awfully fishy, and I don't mean the one on the back of your car!!

I thought I had been transported in time 40 years.

It was shameful.

Who here is saying they buy that line of goods? Most people have issue with the guy for some of his poor decisions.

It is true that many Fundies do not like Catholics, they do think they are not a real religion, but instead a Papist cult, it is true that this is the biggest concentration of Catholics ever in the history of the Supremes, and it is true that Alito will tip the balance. Even the Catholics are acknowledging it (see the link I provided above), and they aren't unhappy about it, either.

If the right is going to get a bit ballistic over the issue, I say step out the way and let them do it. Alito's spousal notification ruling did it for me--I think his good mind is not quite good enough.

about. Banning gay people is on their agenda. (And I do mean banning them from every part of public life.) Banning no fault divorce is on the agenda. I always joked about it until I met a few people (all women) who said that no fault divorce was the downfall of our country. I'm not kidding--they said that! They don't want to push us back into the 1950's--they want to push us back to the 1850's.

The overturn of Roe would likely be followed by NATIONAL ban on abortion, either pushed through Congress (they have the votes) or
issued directly from the bench.

Griswold was the decision that made birth control legal. They want
to do away with that.

Lawrence v Texas got rid of the "sodomy" laws that were used to imprison gay people. They want to bring those laws back.

They want the police in your bedroom.

than the Fundies will be devistated and not come out to vote. It may be a win/win for us electorally.

It will be chipped away... then, all the Southern states will outlaw abortion, and that will make its way up the appeals chain over a few years and then it will be overturned.

However, all the blue states will still have abortion laws on the books and the fundies will concentrate on those states one by one and attempt to get laws passed there chipping away at abortion bit by bit by bit.

it will take a decade or more to totally outlaw it unless it is done at the federal level.

So, plenty to keep the fundies busy.