What "conspiracy theories" do you believe?

From 9/11 to Bush's presidency to JFK... what do you believe and what do you think is a false theory.

I believe in things that actually occurred but have been hidden from the general publics view.

The label "consperiacy theory" is made to confuse people from reality and the facts and to hide the truth.

I may entertain those notions from time to time, but with out clear cut solid scientifically backed evidence I don't believe in any of them %100.

other sides "facts" and also sometimes the facts are so hard to get at that one just *has* to go with one's best analysis, based on all the info that can be collected.

It *has* to be backed up with some sort of substantiation, but sometimes that final definitive answer just never appears, one way or the other.

and a lone gunman for JFK, I'm open to hearing and learning as much as possible.

To close ones mind is to act like a Republican, IMO.

We didn't know how to break the news to you.

In the effort to restore Andalusia in Europe: that it is organized, coordinated and only the beginning of an all out effort to take over Western europe by fanatical muslims intent on establishing a the Califate.

There's gonna be civil war in France, and soon, which will spill over into Italy, Belgium, Germany and the whole of the Western European peninsula.

http://www.catholicplanet.com/future/map.htm

2010/2011 -- A long and bloody war begins. After the War among Arab nations, the Arab nations will join forces. They will threaten and attack the United States. At some point in time, early in the war (probably 2010), they will strike New York City with a nuclear weapon. Next they will threaten and attack Europe. They will attack France and Italy and other countries. The Arab nations will be unstoppable. They will eventually conquer most or all of Europe and the northern part of Africa. This will be a war against nations and also a war against the Christian faith. They will burn churches and prohibit public Christian worship in the occupied countries. This war will last for many years.

# bout 2012 -- After the Arabs attack Rome, the Pope will be forced to flee Vatican City. He will be captured by the Arab soldiers and taken to Syria. He will be put on trial and an unjust sentence will be handed against him. He will be blinded and taken to Iraq to be emprisoned there. This Pope will die a martyr, in a prison in Iraq. This Pope will be the second pope after John Paul II. The one St. Malachi calls "Peter the Roman."

# Summer of 2013 -- After the Pope is captured, the Allied forces will retake Rome and drive out the Arab forces. The victory will be short-lived. The Arab forces will use nuclear weapons to destroy Rome and Vatican City in July of 2013.

# the 2010's to 2030's -- After the War, the Arab forces will occupy Europe. They will oppress and persecute the people of Europe, especially Christians and Jews. Things formerly called rights and freedoms will be resticted or not permitted at all.

Just kidding. Even I'm not that wacko.

prior to 9/11 that the president swears there is no way anyone could have an idea about (after ignoring his pdb of course).

I believe pretty much everything I've heard Bill Moyers say.

I belive that we have very evil, selfish people who spend a lot of time and money making us think we're in a happy land where conspiracies aren't real because it allows them to do some amazing things out in the open.

But I also believe that incompetence and arrogance explain a lot of things much easier than many conspiracies. And I believe that a lot of conspiracies never get off the ground because of arrogance and incompetence.

And I believe answer this question more clearly would subject me to scrutiny that I do not want :P

conspiracy= the planing of thow or more persons to do an evil act...

(our goverment is more than one person)

Theory= Hypothesis- enough evidence to be proven..

yes I do believe in conspiracy theories

The idea that people in power who are corrupt and want to build their power and money will do anything necessary to do so is not that big of a stretch.

We see it happen on smaller levels all the time, people stabbing each other in the back at work or in social circles to elevate their standings.

Another interesting point to me is this: that we can look at the recent and distant past and see dirty political maneuvering, conspiracies, and crime and be honest about it, yet somehow "those things just can't happen today." I've never understood that one - how someone can say, "well sure, _______ was corrupt back then, but times have changed" and not get it.

One of the darker sides of of human nature is to exploit systems to get ahead. Not that everyone does that obviously, but those who seek to rise to power are often of a mindset to do so. On the other hand, it is also human nature to help one another out and seek the truth and to put a stop to corruption one way or another. History proves both.

Maybe that's why they are trying to undermine the education system, so we are too ignorant as a society to stop them. (lol - another conspiracy theory?)

the reasons that have been documented over and over again.

I also believe in the 1980 October Surprise.

I also believe that Neil O'Donnell was paid off for throwing those two ridiculous interceptions to hand Dallas the Super Bowl against my Steelers.... :-)

The last line about the Cowboys, not the JFK stuff.

I agree on the October Surprise. Forgot to include it. I have a friend who has top level security clearance (or did) and was somehow involved in the investigation (not at a top level). He assures me every time it comes up that it did NOT happen, and says he's seen the evidence to prove it conclusively. This is a guy I respect, but I think he's wrong. I think, though, that it may not have happened the way Hoffman and others have laid it out, with Salem bin Laden's plane and all.

Just my two cents.

As a Cowboys fan, I think O'Donnel just sucked, but those were two of hte worst passes I've ever seen, so I can't prove you wrong! They made Larry Brown rich, didn't they? :rofl:

See link in sig line.

I personally believe that the covert Special Ops (of some sort) started the rioting and stirred the pot in France as a little payback to Chirac and French for not supporting the Bush Iraqi invasion.

That one, I think is the most plausible.

One conspiracy theory I've never been able to accept is the UFO/Roswell/Area 51 theory. Not that I think the government was being straightforward with everything that's happened surrounding the whole UFO thing, but I'm very skeptical about aliens. On the other hand, it does seem like there have been coverups and the like, but in my opinion it appears to be more related to Cold War type stuff. Secret aircraft and weapons, fear of espionage... sometimes even dishonesty is much more innocent than it seems.

coming soon to your neighborhood galaxy.

Not much interested in beliefs.

They want us to ALL be world citizens... for their financial benefit.

(Oh, and yes, I think Chris Carter was on to something, too.)

I generally keep my mind open until I see enough evidence to support one side or the other, and even then I still keep it open to new evidence or the possibility that what I've been told is wrong. So I don't believe or disbelieve in too much. However:

I believe the overvotes in Florida can't be rationally explained without someone tampering with the votes after they were cast.

I suspect that Larkin Smith was murdered (Miss. Congressman, died in a small plane crash). I'm suspicious of Wellstone's crash. I believe Carnahan's was an accident--I've read the transcripts, and there's little doubt of the progression of events that caused the crash, though I do leave the slightest room open.

I don't believe anyone other than Oswald shot at Kennedy in Dallas.

I believe Ray shot MLK, but I don't believe he acted alone.

I believe Sirhan Sirhan was the only shooter of RFK (yeah, I've seen the evidence), but I'm not sure someone didn't put him up to it.

I believe Alexander Hamilton tried to murder Aaron Burr with rigged dueling pistols (the pistols were rigged, that's easy to prove, since they still exist).

I don't believe the Knights Templar were anything other than a religious order of knights.

Those are mmy big ones. I also believe that the NFL decided to penalize Jerry Jones for his lawsuit and used overzealous officiating to kill the Cowboys in the mid 90s, but I won't get into that.

I wish I could change that phrase "conspiracy theory," though, to "alternate theory." As it is, any time someone proposes a conspiracy, they get labeled. Conspiracies do happen. Ask Lincoln.

Start with Operation Northwoods and Cuba. The Bush family (specifically Bush41) has ties to Cuba and he's the only person who "doesn't remember" where he was when Kennedy was killed (*snort* yeah right even my mother who was a little girl remembers where she was). I also believe that President Eisenhower was warning us of what's going on now and he knew the Bush family.

I've seen the "evidence." Even bought into it for a while. It's all "Seven Degrees of Kevin Bacon..." who starred in a movie about JFK...

and Hitler to divide up Poland?

...there exists a secret organization who's sole purpose is to spread conspiracy theories.

9/11 LIHOP

The Gulf War & The Iraq War are business disagreements between the BFEE & Saddam.

Valerie Plame wasn't exposed to get back at her husband, but as a warning to other CIA agents who wouldn't toe the GOP party line.

There is no shortage of oil & natural gas in the world. The excessive prices we are forced to pay generate excessive profits to the energy companies.

There's more but ... they ... are watching.

Bush purged the CIA last December too and you can tell they are pissed off with each other.

I highly believe in JFK and 9/11. I've been obsessed with the JFK assisination for a few years now. Also the whole Reagan/Carter Iran/Contra ordeal with the hostages I believe was set up to make Carter lose. :cry:

Just kidding.

:evilgrin:

"But there's no hope in Clinton. It's just a handful of people that run everything, and that's provable .... I have this feeling that whoever's elected president, like Clinton was, no matter what promises you make on the campaign trail - blah, blah, blah - when you win, you go into this smoky room with the twelve industrialist, capitalist scumfucks that got you in there, and this little screen comes down ... and it's a shot of the Kennedy assassination from an angle you've never seen before, which looks suspiciously off the grassy knoll .... And then the screen comes up, the lights come on, and they say to the new president, 'Any questions?' 'Just what my agenda is.'"

This from Miriam-Webster Online: http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary

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Main Entry: con·spir·a·cy
Pronunciation: k&n-'spir-&-sE
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural -cies
Etymology: Middle English conspiracie, from Latin conspirare
1 : the act of conspiring together
2 a : an agreement among conspirators b : a group of conspirators
synonym see PLOT

And this on "conspiracy theory" from Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_theory (wiki goes into much more detail, too. Quite interesting.)

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A Conspiracy theory is a type of argument suggesting alternative explanations, hidden information, and sinister motives behind what are commonly considered straightforward historic or current events.

Generally conspiracy theories are associated with eccentric individuals and faulty reasoning. Labelling an argument a conspiracy theory may be seen as an attempt to ridicule or dismiss it, leading some to consider the term controversial in application. The term tends to be used by detractors rather than proponents.
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So, the problem as I see it, is that the term, "conspiracy theory" can also be used by detractors of any particular theory, as an attempt to ridicule or dismiss it. Kinda like those RWers do when people say that Gore really won the vote in FL, for instance. The facts are there to support the statement (there have been studies of the 2000 FL vote that confirm this), but they are ridiculed by those for whom the facts are inconvenient. And, because the media have long ago moved on to a new topic, that's where things remain.

Anything is possible, though I tend to draw the line at Reptilian Internecine Warlords from Outer Space.

:silly:

No, that's the group that's more popular than Cheney.

:evilgrin:

I'm open to evidence. The evidence supporting the lone gunman theory in the Kennedy assassination is pretty slim, but to date it's the best we've got. I know there are theories involving secret conspiracies related to the Kennedy assasination, but to date the evidence for any of those theories is slimmer than the lone gunman theory.

LIHOP, MIHOP, YOURHOP, THEIRHOP, BULLHOP!

PNAC exists. I've visted their web site and their agenda is fairly clearly laid out.

But we all know there is an international conspiracy of the Mason's to take over the world.

:crazy:

:sarcasm:

Holograms.
Aliens done it. You seen all these dot coms poppin' up everwhere...

I believe that there is this Board (think ultra-corporations et al) who decide which set of puppets we can choose to lead us.

JFK murder.

Kurt Cobain (actually I believe this one) was murdered.

NWO.

Area 51. :) We would be arrogant to believe...

What is going on now - the neocons -- I believe this one.

may be the conspiracy of interests that led to worldwide fabrication of intelligence leading to war in Iraq. Considering the multi-$trillion size of the treasure involved, it may be conceivable.

So I've read. There is almost always a kernal of truth in there.