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Tab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-05-05 05:01 PM
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Dalai Lama endorses just wars but not in case of Tibet

SAN FRANCISCO, United States (AFP) - Waging war for the cause of freedom can be justified but not in the case of Tibet's dream of autonomy from China, the Dalai Lama told an audience at Stanford University.
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The allied victory in World War II "saved Western civilization," and conflicts fought in Korea and Vietnam were honorable from a moral standpoint, the 14th Dalai Lama said in answer to questions.
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"In the case of Tibet versus China, violence is almost like suicide," the Dalai Lama said. "If violence, then bloodshed. Bloodshed means more casualties among the Chinese and, again, more hatred."
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"There are some among us who say our neighbor only understands the language of violence," the Dalai Lama said. "It is easy to say 'jihad,' but actual implementation is very complicated, very hard, and too risky."
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Asked about the US-led invasion of Iraq, he said it would take a few years before it becomes clear whether the US military action was the right course of action.

If handled improperly, the situation in Iraq could go from "today, one (Osama) bin Laden, next few years 10 bin Ladens, then 100 bin Ladens," the Dalai Lama said.

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20051105/wl_afp/ustibetchina_051105043044
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Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-05-05 05:13 PM
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1. for some reason, this surprises me
I thought highly spiritual people were pacifists. Also, his thinking on Iraq seems to be, it is OK that we invaded if it turns out well. Kind of strange to me.
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lovelaureng Donating Member (434 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-05-05 06:10 PM
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4. Do not make the mistake of thinking
that the Dalai Lama is a pacifist. When China invaded Tibet, they fought back, but to no avail. They were no match for the Red Army with all of its modern weapons of war. Tibet has no military, but there were many well-trained Buddhist monks who have fought to their deaths.
Basically, if the war in Iraq turns out to truly be a liberating experience for the people there, then it was for a good reason, right intent, right motivation, regardless of what we know about Bushco. The burden of this lies with the results itself. A highly spiritual people will not lie down and be oppressed, but will fight back for their right to exist. However, they do not make war, even if there is good reason to do so. If it turns out poorly, then the US invasion was for the wrong reasons. He is simply not prejudging the situation, but, letting events take their natural course.
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-05-05 06:24 PM
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5. But the reason Bush gave us for invading Iraq was to save us from...
...Saddam's "Winnebago's of Death" and other assorted nasty things to attack us with. Remember the "mushroom clouds over Manhattan"? It was not to "liberate" the Iraqi people at the barrel of a gun. You didn't forget that already did ya?

Don
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lovelaureng Donating Member (434 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-05-05 06:33 PM
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7. I didn't forget,
I was merely explaining the Dalai Lama's position on it, to the best of my understanding. I fought in the first conflict. I did not want to see the current war happen, nor did I personally believe any of the reasons that were spoon-fed, sugar-coated, bullshit by the current administration.
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-05-05 06:29 PM
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6. Um, no
If the war in Iraq turns out to truly be a liberating experience for the people there, then it was NOT for a good reason, but had a good byproduct result. The war in Iraq has nothing at all to do with right intent or right motivation. It's actually the exact opposite of that. The result, if positive, does not change the original reasons.

The US invasion was for the wrong reason. HHDL is likely simply stating that it will take time to see if something positive came of it (outside Halliburton's profit margin).
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lovelaureng Donating Member (434 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-05-05 06:34 PM
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8. I can go with that exactly.
I was none too clear in my first post. Thanks.
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Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-05-05 06:39 PM
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9. I don't quite understand what you are saying
""Asked about the US-led invasion of Iraq, he said it would take a few years before it becomes clear whether the US military action was the right course of action.""

Dalai Lama is commenting on whether US action was right. Isn't "right" different than say "beneficial"? Intent of an action is linked to the rightness of an action, isn't it. Otherwise, you could say Bush was right, that he was just acting as an "agent of God" in invading Iraq. So even if Bushco wanted the oil, if the Iraqis benefit, than the invasion was OK.
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Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-05-05 06:40 PM
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10. n/m got your answer from your last post
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niallmac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-05-05 05:20 PM
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2. These seem strange statements indeed.
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Generarth Donating Member (309 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-05-05 05:32 PM
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3. totally in keeping (not surprised at all)
Edited on Sat Nov-05-05 05:32 PM by Generarth
This guy believes in his divine right to rule without any of the constraints of democratic systems. I have never understood liberals attraction to this fascist.
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