McCain forgave Bush for saying his daughter was an illegitimate black child

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0511/03/lkl.01.html

KING: When you ran against President Bush, we all remember that historic South Carolina debate, which I moderated. Karl Rove had a lot to do behind the scenes in that what was regarded as a dirty campaign. He is still under investigation. There are some say that he should at least lose his security clearance. Do you think so?

MCCAIN: Just because someone is under investigation I don't think is a reason for that so no I wouldn't agree with that. Let me just make a quick point, Larry. You know and I'm sure that our viewers know that politics is a beanbag. It's a tough business. It was a tough race. It was a tough campaign and I enjoyed enormously feeling sorry for myself for about two weeks. You know feeling sorry for yourself is a lot of fun.

KING: Yes.

MCCAIN: But then I put it behind me and I moved on. You've got to put it -- the people of Arizona don't expect me to hold a grudge for something that happened four or five years ago and I don't hold a grudge and I move forward and I admire this president and I want to help him and we have a very big agenda for this country and I want to assist him in carrying out that agenda.

McCain is the biggest invertebrate I've ever seen. Not only did bushrove falsely accuse him of fathering an illegitemate black child, but they also falsely labeled his wife a drug addict. And he "admires this president"? Give me a break McCain and grow a pair.

I will give the Bush team that one. Though what it would have to do with him being a good President is beyond me.

but he's been a leaning tower of Jello since then.

McCain gave military information to the enemy while he was a prisoner in exchange for medical treatment

http://www.usvetdsp.com/mcprsrel.htm
http://www.namvets.com/Reading/john_mccain_is_no_war_hero.htm

What is the real story behind his days as a POW? The U.S. Veteran Dispatch had an article in June of 1996 entitled "POW Songbird McCain Wrongly Described As A Hero." It recounted numerous instances where John McCain violated the Military Coda of Conduct, which specifically orders American personnel to give the enemy no information other than name, rank, serial number, and date of birth. It requires that they accept no favors from the enemy, and to make no written or oral statement disloyal to the United States.

The fact is, in exchange for better medical treatment, McCain violated this code four days after being captured on Oct. 26, 1967. In a U.S. News and World Report interview dated May 14, 1973, two months after he was released, McCain admitted that he exchanged military information in exchange for spending six weeks in a hospital normally reserve for North Vietnamese Military officers.

U.S. government records show that less than two weeks after he was taken to the hospital, Hanoi's press began quoting specific military information, including the name of the aircraft carrier on which McCain had been based, information about the location of rescue ships and the order of which his attack was supposed to take place. The records demonstrate, according to the Dispatch article that McCain continued to collaborate with the Communists after he recovered from his injuries. He did a number of propaganda broadcasts that were aimed at destroying the moral of American servicemen fighting in the jungles of South Vietnam, On June 4, 1969, a U.S. Wire Service story reported one of McCain's broadcasts.

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gets me is how he "admires" the president. What the fuck is it he admires?

Many, many soldiers also broke and did this under torture, extreme fear, whatever. I don't fault him for this. He has been highly praised by other Americas imprisoned with him during this time as being a leader, etc. I admire what he and all of the other POWs went through in Hanoi, and I could care less if they "broke." God knows many people would.... I know I would.

However, I loathe him for standing behind Bush, for many, many reasons: what Bush did to his family, the RNC sneering at Kerry's Purple Hearts, for not commenting on Bush's TANG AWOL, etc.

But, he was a hero.

No wonder he wasn't for smearing Kerry. He has a closet full of real alligations. Ugh! So he's always been a roll over.

Everyone stands on their own 2 feet. Even if they're made of clay.

to 'admire' who ever he chooses with out saying he's something sub-human. He forgives Bush, that is admirable.
My question to him would be how can he admire someone who is intent on subjecting people to the kind of torture that he fell victim to, and is against our country using. How does his admiration weather that discord- i'd really like to learn that.

but I couldn't ever forgive that. That's just disgusting and horrible what the Bush people did to him. I could never be on the "same team" as Bush or want to be around him even.

but nothing would mitigate such senseless harm to my family, especially my child.

You've got it right, tularetom. . . McCain's an invertebrate, a spineless mealy-mouthed mollusc.

I don't five a rat's ass if he "forgives" Bush. I'll wait to hear from his daughter.

a drug addict but that was really swell of rove to smear him with it.

I know, as a Christian, I'm always taught to forgive and forget, and if John can do that, that makes him a very good person.

I have to say, if that would have been me, I could never forgive Shrub and Rove for what they did, to me, my wife, my daughter, and to me!

I still believe he has done what he has in the last several years because he wants to be Pres in 08, and he knows he couldn't get the nomination without the Shrub supporters, so he swallowed very hard, and is putting on a good show.

He put his own greed a head of his country and what's best for us. He went along with the killing of thousands of Iraqi's and soliders. I can never forgive that.

When they did that they smeared everything regarding Interacial Relationships. I am in one myself, so that is just another reason why I oppose Bush and the Fascist Brigade.

Even if McCain did have a black child, so what?

well, a dark skinned one. but she's not illegitimate, she's adopted -- from somewhere in Asia, I believe.

The disgusting part was the GOP implying that McCain had an illegitimate daughter with an affair with a black woman in order to use the racist feelings of South Carolina republicans.

respect, and it's gone for good. I don't care that McCain wants to run in '08, I think he's damaged himself permanently.

He must have no sense of family, his wife was dissed too. Fit to lead the GOP with those family values.

Maybe he's just not interested.

might be one of those who is following MLKjr's wisdom-

"Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that."


Doesn't mean he isn't interested- just means he's not going to take the bait, and be dragged down to his attackers level.

Are you aware of his political philosophy? It's nothing close to MLK Jr's.

political philosophy- and it doesn't make alot of sense to me-

I'm also the white mother of an African-American son, and believe me, i know what kind of stuff people CAN and DO say- the first, and most natural reaction was (and sometimes occasionally still is) for me to want to annihilate the person who has tried to harm my child, and myself with their ignorance, cruelty and hate- but i've come to pity them, and see there must not be much they wouldn't do to get what they want. And that is sad- more than sad. If i do back to them what they do to me, then they have won, and i have been diminished, and harmed far worse than their slanderous words could ever do.

That isn't political philosophy- this is something deeper. I know some folks who call themselves republicans, and who fool themselves into thinking that almost anything done by their leader is excusable. They aren't complete assholes- they DO have some genuine ethical beliefs, and we do share some common ground. It's not as easy as your either 'with us' or 'with the enemy' in my view. Because i've been 'the enemy' in the past- and i still had some worthwhile ethical ground.

It is how WE chose to live that matters- justifying our actions by pointing out the flaws of others, doesn't absolve us- it convicts us.
in my opinion and experience.

They must be terrible parents, tsk tsk...

She was slighted by Bushco too.

like a real man. What a coward.

He saves his macho for dealing with the general public.

they adopted her from an agency that Mother Teresa had.

It's pretty obvious to me. Rove terrifies this man in ways the North Vietnamese could only have dreamed of.

anger is destructive but that doesn't change what * is like so why campaign for him. They did terrible things to Kerry with the SBV's and he condoned that by endorsing dimson.

Ooops.

Too late.



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the chimperor.



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McCain is looking more at the camera than being involved with what's going on with this rally. It's pure a political photo-op to gain the support of his base. He's not fundie or freeper enough though.

What does that say about him?

it is ON!

Like maybe he thinks he's on the short list for VP when Cheney crashes and burns in the Plame scandal. Currying favors is often called brown nosing in some circles.

you're a Bush Whore

what kind of man does not defend them to his last breath against the attackers? Look at Joe Wilson. There's a man!

I totally agree with you.

I know women are strong, but when a man does not want to stand up for the ladies that he cares about, that is a sure sign that he has no Honor.

.....he must be lower than a dog! He has no balls, right?

Maybe he's still suffering from PTSD.

John McCain or Joe Wilson? I prefer Wilson. He defends honor.

If a husband of mine were attacked, I'd viciously get out there and defend him against the attacker(s).

He wants the big enchilada and is willing to eat a lot shit to get it. There are still a lot of people out there who respect him for his service and willing to overlook his lapses in judgement. I'm not one of them.

By disparaging his service, saying that his experiences had made him unstable, also that he had cooperated with the North Vietnamese. I wonder if Cindy McCain has forgiven them for turning the McCain family into "freaks", as she put it.

He was having a terrible time spending time with his wife and their twins.

He filled me full of shit about the family, but that was when I lived in Arizona and I don't remember most of it. I didn't have a clue who McCain was back then. This was in 2001. The guy was annoying and eventually I just stopped writing him and avoided him online.

without his approval, so maybe he and she are not _that_ bonded. Who knows, but if someone was responsible for a whispering camapign like about my kids, it would be a cold day in hell before I stuck up for them about being ethical.

I actually would have voted for McCain in 2000, but the way he is up shrub's butt, and campaigning for Ahnold, I guess I am now glad I didn't get the chance......

John McCain, Hypocrite
by Doug Ireland

John McCain, the media's darling, has found a clever way around his own campaign finance reform law to take big corporate bucks in furtherance of his political ambitions while carrying water for the corporate mammoth providing the dough. But the national press is ignoring the story.

The Associated Press first ran the story of John McCain's odorous but lucrative Senatorial service to the communications giant Cablevision on the afternoon of March 7. But, while some local papers in McCain's home state (like the East Valley Tribune) have run the story, nothing has as yet made it into the print editions of the New York Times, the L.A. Times, the Washington Post, or any of the half-dozen other big city dailies I checked (although, if one searches the hundreds of AP stories available on the Post's website on its Politics page by clicking on "Latest Wire Reports," one can find it there--but how many readers would bother to do that?) One notable exception: the Kansas City Star.

Here's what the AP's investigation found:

McCain repeatedly intervened on behalf of a policy Cablevision favored -- one which "congressional and private studies conclude could make cable more expensive" -- while his chief political adviser, Rick Davis (who's masterminding McCain's probable '08 presidential rerun) solicited $200,000 in contributions from Cablevision to an institute that promotes McCain and pays Davis a $110,000 annual salary.

The Reform Institute was set up to promote McCain and his issues--especially campaign finance reform, embodied in the famous McCain-Feingold law. This Institute is "a tax-exempt group that touts McCain's views and has showcased him at events since his unsuccessful 2000 presidential campaign," and it "often uses the senator's name in press releases and fund-raising letters and includes him at press conferences," the AP says. And, of course, it provides a cushy sinecure with no heavy lifting for McCain's main man, Davis, as he prepares the pontificating Senator's next presidential run. Cablevision's contributions account for a whopping 15% of the Institute's budget.

http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0309-35.htm

If McCain can't or WON'T even defend his own WIFE and CHILD, what makes the American people who would vote for this guy think he'd defend them?

Selling out your wife & children for political gain is admirable?

He doesn't need Bushco to remain a senator from AZ, he could win re-election after re-election.

So, he wants to be President, and because of that he let's Bushco walk all over his family, and his former good self for the sake of his political future.

Shame.

I don't understand why people would vote for him in a national or Senatorial election. He won't fight for his own family, so he certainly wouldn't fight for the interests of the average American citizen.

I don't know why he kisses Bush a$$. He acts like he's almost afraid of him.

but IMO, forgiving Bush*/KKKarl doesn't necessarily mean he had to actively support him in 2004.

Forgiveness, maybe. Campaigning for BushCo in 2004 knowing what they did to his family? Absolutely inexcusable in my book.

McCain showed true cowardice by allowing this character assasination and then kissing the guys ass who did it. He cant win with this. The repukes will never elect him nor would he be able to live this down in a general election/ Leaders..I mean "real" leaders dont do this.

He failed to stand-up and demand that the BFEE publically apologize to his famiy. If John McCain would not defend his own family against hateful and hurtful attacks why should any voter/citizen think that he would care about those he did not even know.

The Bush's and the Cheney's fend shock and disdain that their opponents, public, and the media would mention their children/family members ie., the twins party antics, the Cheney's lesbian daughter yet they used their children themselves to gain acceptance. The very same Bush's and Cheney who viciously attacked McCain's wife and daughter.

McCain's words and actions are unconscionable.

these people are as dumb as a box full of rocks.

"Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly? Because her father is Janet Reno." I guess he not only won't defend his own kid from slander, he'll dish it out to other people's kids. Fuck him.

very, very low.

and Chelsea was a kid then.

so yeah, i guess it's not big thing for him.

Shame on him for so cavalierly okaying a vicious attack on the people closest to him who most certainly didn't deserve it. I'm very saddened to know he values dirty, filthy political games over his wife and daughter.

I have always thought of McCain as one of the "good" ones.

Now I see a different picture. A man who when caught by the enemy caved (and I can't fault him for that because I would have caved in ten seconds flat) and did what he needed to do to stay alive; a man who is not above cheap shots of his own; a man who took it on the chin when his family was disrespected; a man who flips and flops as the political winds blow.

Now, that said, I think he is probably a fine man. He has learned the art of pragmatism and compromise. I'd enjoy living next door to him. But I don't think those qualities would make a good president. He's too likely to cave to every poll number, every foreign suggestion. Gosh, I never thought I'd say this, but I'd prefer an idiot like GWB who doesn't bend. (don't flame me, you know what I mean...it was an extreme point...unfortunately GWB won't bend from his stupid policies. We need someone who won't bed from sensible, moral policies.)

Grannie, cryin in her coffee because the 'Noles lost

I said the same thing years ago and I stand by it today. I know what to expect from bush. The worst.

McCain is insidious. He gives the appearance of making sense but in fact he is no better than Bush.

Give me the whack job I know over the whack job who I don't know any day. I know how to deal with that.

Don

there are no surprises with GWB. Yet. And here's hoping there never are.

happening. Politics aside--this man will never have my respect for just the fact that he would not stand up and defend his child.

Most people in politics will say to their opponents "I'm fair game, but you leave my family alone." He would not even do that.

I find it totally disgusting.

There is no level to which this man won't sink.

What kind of a father would allow the smearing of his own child and then embrace the man who did it?

Where is his honor? Where is his decency?

I will NEVER forget how he abused his own child is such a shamless, pandering manner.

And what of the child? When she is old enough to comprehend how he allowed her to be smeared..how will she deal with that?

Thanks alot, Dad.

Maybe he did in his youth but not any more. Anyone who would embrace someone who did this to your own family is a wimp and a sell out.

From the November 20, 2000 issue of Time Magazine, here is proof that Bush PERSONALLY agreed to the attacks against McCain and his family.

Time magazine had its reporters embedded with the Gore and Bush camps. Here is part of their report on the Bushies:

In a suite at the Greenville Grand Hyatt that afternoon, Bush's top aides came together to save the campaign, but they were really plotting a murder. It was the Bush high command, with its South Carolina auxiliary: Rove; spokeswoman Hughes, as well as Warren Tompkins, a longtime G.O.P. operative in the state; state attorney general Charlie Condon; Lieutenant Governor Bob Peeler; and former Governor David Beasley. As a participant put it later, this was the moment "we decided to take the gloves off."

The trick was to try to cast McCain as a phony, take a guy with a consistently conservative voting record and paint him as a dangerous liberal, suggest that the war hero was somehow un-American, or at least un-South Carolinian. Out came the antipersonnel weapons: "He's not one of us," and "He doesn't share our conservative values," and "He's outside the mainstream." On McCain's lack of "conservative values," Rove piped up to say, "We have to get in his face on that. He's vulnerable." Added Tompkins: "He's an insider. When I hear this populist stuff, it makes me wanna throw up."

But who could put out the message, given Bush's promise to be a uniter, not a divider? Several outside groups, including the National Right to Life Coalition, Americans for Tax Reform and the National Rifle Association, stepped right up. "Right to Life will do radio; A.T.R. will do TV ads," said one of Bush's South Carolina advisers. Even though coordinating with third-party groups is illegal, the discussion explicitly revolved around the idea that these groups could be counted on to do whatever it took--whether it was running ads, passing out literature or making phone calls--to destroy McCain and save Bush.

Briefed later that day in his hotel suite, Bush agreed to the battle plan. The next 18 days would be the ugliest of his political career. In the heart of the Confederacy, phone callers and leaflets attacked McCain's wife's drug addiction, made racial attacks on McCain's adopted Bangladeshi daughter and warned of "McCain's fag army." Bush won the state by 11 points

was my husband I would tell them to fight back or do it myself. I wouldn't allow some piss poor rich boy diss my family like that.