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Cyrano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 10:00 AM
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"Whoever uses the term Nazi first, loses the argument." -- Bullshit!
Read Thom Hartmann's review of a book titled "They Thought They Were Free," by Milton Mayer.

http://www.buzzflash.com/hartmann/05/11/05011.html

Hartmann goes into detail about how the book shows how each small change or action went unnoticed until the Nazis had total control of Germany.

He also reviews some of the things that are happening here that most refuse to see or acknowledge.

I, for one, am sick of the meme about "The first one to use the term Nazi ..." This is total bullshit. It CAN happen here.
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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 10:01 AM
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1. What do you mean "can"...???
It has already started....
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 10:02 AM
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2. Well, I pretty much agree with you.
Edited on Mon Nov-07-05 10:03 AM by Hissyspit
Sometime there may be more judicious use of the comparison or analogy, but the idea that it is off-limits has always seemed ridiculous to me.
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ret5hd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 10:03 AM
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3. here's the correct link:
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snippy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 10:06 AM
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4. Karl Rove was the first person to compare Bush to a Nazi leader.
I always point this out to anyone who objects to a comparison of the present to 1930's Germany.
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tuvor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 10:13 AM
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7. That WOULD be handy. Got a link? n/t
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snippy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 02:02 PM
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16. It's from Woodward's book "Bush at War." But it's all over the internets.
Google "It's like being at a Nazi rally."
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centristo Donating Member (500 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 10:07 AM
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5. as a jew
i would say its a bad idea to throw around the term too loosely. It cheapens the horror of the Holocaust. As horrible as this Iraq War is, it is nothing compared to what happened in Europe in the 1940s.

However, I have no problem with you calling Bush an asshole, jerk, spoiled brat, chicken-hawk, etc...
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 10:13 AM
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6. Yeah, why not use the terms fascist or corporatist which fit to a tee
nearly every government initiative since 2001?
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 10:15 AM
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8. Excuse me, as a Jew I don't think it's used lightly in terms of this
administration. Bush has more blood on his hands now than Hitler did in his beginning years in Germany.
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agingdem Donating Member (893 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 10:22 AM
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10. Parents were Holocaust survivors...however..
I contend that Karl Rove used The Third Reich as his blueprint and playbook...supression, fear, scapegoating, etc.
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 10:35 AM
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11. Thank goodness your parents survived. My family has been here from
before the civil war on one side, and the rest from the turn of the last century. The fact is that citizens of Iraq have been going through their own holocaust with reported by the Guardian, well over 100,000 Iraqis dead. That was close to a year ago. More bombing now going on killing innocents by the Syrian border. To me, considering they are all Muslims, this is genocide.

I don't know if it's Karl Rove who has planned this out, but I do know that someone in the adminstration is responsible for this "playbook". It's part of the neocon's strategy for world domination.
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pretzel4gore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 10:43 AM
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13. how about 'nazipooh?'
there's a difference: a nazi, whatever his other qualities, is openly and boldly a brutally honest about his goal, to kill everyone who lacks credentials and to get rich while doing it (stealing any cash the victim has) while nazipoohs are 'nice' na na naz ...people! nazipoohs are also very religious, they pray constantly ie "burnem lord, drownem lord, shootem, smitem, punish'em OH LORD for not listening TO US being like US etc!' ....nazipoohs are well dressed, well educated, well spoken, well paid, well fed well meaning and well placed to look down upon the rest of humanity...cuz they're genius, god only knows....unless they're not genius, and are trailer trash (and proud of it!)
nazipoohs are liberals in a bad mood (a joke from the Addams Family- there's no such thing as happy children, they're only unhappy children having fun!)
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Cyrano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 01:07 PM
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15. Dear centristo: This posting had nothing to do with Iraq.
(Sorry it took so long to get back to you. South Florida is still a mess.)

My use of the term Nazi refers to what the Bush crime syndicate is doing domestically. And if they succeed in fulfilling their goals, no one in the rest of the world will be safe.

As despicable as the war on Iraq is, it is a distraction from what these fascists have been getting away with here at home. -- Read Thom Hartmann's review mentioned above and I think you'll agree.
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 10:19 AM
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9. Here is an excellent article by Thom Hartmann about Germany and
our present state of affairs.

http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0222-22.htm

Published on Tuesday, February 22, 2005 by CommonDreams.org
When Democracy Failed - 2005
The Warnings of History

by Thom Hartmann

This weekend - February 27th - is the 72nd anniversary, but the corporate media most likely won't cover it. The generation that experienced this history firsthand is now largely dead, and only a few of us dare hear their ghosts.

It started when the government, in the midst of an economic crisis, received reports of an imminent terrorist attack. A foreign ideologue had launched feeble attacks on a few famous buildings, but the media largely ignored his relatively small efforts. The intelligence services knew, however, that the odds were he would eventually succeed. (Historians are still arguing whether or not rogue elements in the intelligence service helped the terrorist. Some, like Sefton Delmer - a London Daily Express reporter on the scene - say they certainly did not, while others, like William Shirer, suggest they did.)

But the warnings of investigators were ignored at the highest levels, in part because the government was distracted; the man who claimed to be the nation's leader had not been elected by a majority vote and the majority of citizens claimed he had no right to the powers he coveted.

He was a simpleton, some said, a cartoon character of a man who saw things in black-and-white terms and didn't have the intellect to understand the subtleties of running a nation in a complex and internationalist world.


Continued at the above link.
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 10:41 AM
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12. It depends on what the purpose of you discussion is
If the purpose is juvenile self aggrandizement or if you are talking with people who already agree with you, no reason not to use it.

If your purpose is to convince or even just to discuss on an adult level, well, you need to be more careful about how you use it, for obvious reasons.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com
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Cyrano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 12:59 PM
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14. Dear Bryant: Nice post to peddle your blog. Hope you succeed. Good luck.
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stevietheman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 02:21 PM
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18. Feel free to peddle yours too.
Advertising one's wares has always been a legitimate use of forum post sigs.
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 02:22 PM
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19. Thank you
But my guess is that your good luck really means "Screw You."

So you'l be happy to know that, although I peddle my blog with pretty much all of my posts, after 3 years my blog is worth nothing (according to Technocrati). Frankly my blog has been a complete failure and I only keep doing it because i can't figure out what to next.

So that should make you happy.
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Cyrano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 03:04 PM
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20. No, I really meant good luck.
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 03:06 PM
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21. Yeah, right. !
Whatever.
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stevietheman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 02:19 PM
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17. Godwin's Law isn't a law, but merely a strongly pleaded suggestion...
by those who are afraid of being aptly described as Nazis.
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 08:38 PM
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22. Someone who uses that trick doesn't really want to talk to you.
It's basically an indication that they're looking for an excuse not to listen.
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