Rwing email sent to me (Need help)

This is the email text with my comments inserted also. Feedback and additional info would be greatly appreciated.

WHAT SENATOR JOHN GLENN SAID :
Things that make you think a little:
There were 39 combat related killings in Iraq in January.
In the fair city of Detroit there were 35 murders in the
month of January. That's just one American city,
about as deadly as the entire war-torn country of Iraq.
When some claim that President Bush shouldn't
have started this war, state the following:
a. FDR led us into World War II.
A. FDR led us into WWII - Japan attacked us, Germany was an ally of Japan, when we declared war on Japan, Germany declared war on us and then we declared war on Germany.

b. Germany never attacked us; Japan did.
From 1941-1945, 450,000 lives were lost .
an average of 112,500 per year.
B. More soldiers died in WWII, so only 2000 or so soldiers have died in Iraq, no big deal....WTF? This was a war of nations with no trumped up data or pushing of agendas to start a war that someone's daddy didn't finish.

c. Truman finished that war and started one in Korea.
North Korea never attacked us.
From 1950-1953, 55,000 lives were lost ..
an average of 18,334 per year.
C. Truman and Korea. That war was fought for two reasons. to stop communism and to assist our allies. More soldiers died in WWII, so only 2000 or so soldiers have died in Iraq, no big deal....WTF? This was a war of nations with no trumped up data or pushing of agendas to start a war that someone's daddy didn't finish.

d. John F. Kennedy started the Vietnam conflict in 1962.
Vietnam never attacked us.
D. Kennedy started Vietnam - true, but again a war of nations and done so at the behest of our allies and to stop the spread of communism.

e. Johnson turned Vietnam into a quagmire.
From 1965-1975, 58,000 lives were lost ..
an average of 5,800 per year.

E. Johnson turned Vietnam into a quagmire. If this is true, what does it hold for Iraq. At this point in the Vietnam war, less soldiers were lost than in Iraq.

f. Clinton went to war in Bosnia without UN or French consent.
Bosnia never attacked us.
F. Clinton went to war in Bosnia. Clinton went as a peacekeeping mission which was incredibly successful. 0 us fatalities in the hostilities there. I have friends that had their grandmother shot by snipers getting water in that conflict and his father was assassinated because he wasn't a Serb.

He was offered Osama bin Laden's head on a platter three
times by Sudan and did nothing. Osama has attacked us on
multiple occasions.
Clinton tried to kill Osama bin Laden with a cruise missile strike in Afghanistan and the conservatives said "No war for Monica!" as he was embroiled in that fiasco. Bush received a report entitled "Bin Laden determined to strike in the US" on Aug 6 2001. Condi rice said it was "historical". Bush later said " I am not that concerned with him"


g. In the years since terrorists attacked us, President Bush
has liberated two countries, crushed the Taliban, crippled
al-Qaeda, put nuclear inspectors in Libya, Iran, and North
Korea without firing a shot, and captured a terrorist who
slaughtered 300,000 of his own people.
G. President Bush has liberated two countries? Afghanistan is controlled by the drug lords and warlords just about everywhere except Kabul. So technically he has liberated a city. Iraq has yet to be determined as liberated. I hope it comes soon so my brother in law can come home.

The Taliban has reconstituted itself and has control of significant areas in Afghanistan again. This is mainly because we moved troops out of the real war with Al Qaeda and into the trumped up Iraq war.

Al Qaeda has grown exponentially since Bush attacked Iraq. There were more terrorist attacks in the world in 2004 than ever! To combat this, the Bush administration stopped publishing that report.

UN weapons inspectors were in place in North Korea, Libya and Iran prior to the Bush administration coming to office. North Korea and Iran have pulled out the inspectors cameras and started weapons programs ON the Bush watch.


The Democrats are complaining
about how long the war is taking.

The Democrats and Republicans are both complaining about the war. Mainly they are complaining because of the mounting evidence that the soldiers are in harms way because of bad decision making based on pushed agendas and hand picked intelligence.

But

It took less time to take Iraq than it took Janet Reno
to take the Branch Davidian compound.
That was a 51-day operation.
We've been looking for evidence for chemical weapons
in Iraq for less time than it took Hillary Clinton to find
the Rose Law Firm billing records.
It took less time for the 3rd Infantry Division and the
Marines to destroy the Medina Republican Guard
than it took Ted Kennedy to call the police after his
Oldsmobile sank at Chappaquiddick
It took less time to take Iraq than it took
to count the votes in Florida!!!!
Our Commander-In-Chief is doing a GREAT JOB!
The Military morale is high!
The biased media hopes we are too ignorant
to realize the facts.
But Wait. There's more!
This is where it gets good. Nice of you to pass on these factually challenged emails.

JOHN GLENN (ON THE SENATE FLOOR)
Mon, 26 Jan 2004 11:13

John Glenn and Howard Metzenbaum were senators ending in the 90’s!! Why not quote something from the 1820’s to suit your arugument?

Some people still don't understand why military personnel
do what they do for a living. This exchange between
Senators John Glenn and Senator Howard Metzenbaum
is worth reading. Not only is it a pretty impressive
impromptu speech, but it's also a good example of one
man's explanation of why men and women in the armed
services do what they do for a living.
This IS a typical, though sad, example of what
some who have never served think of the military.
Senator Metzenbaum (speaking to Senator Glenn):
"How can you run for Senate
when you've never held a real job?"
Senator Glenn (D-Ohio):
"I served 23 years in the United States Marine Corps.
I served through two wars. I flew 149 missions.
My plane was hit by anti-aircraft fire on 12 different
occasions. I was in the space program. It wasn't my
checkbook, Howard, it was my life on the line. It was
not a nine-to-five job, where I took my tie off to take the
daily cash receipts to the bank."
"I ask you to go with me ... as I went the other day...
to a veterans' hospital and look those men ...
with their mangled bodies in the eye, and tell THEM
they didn't hold a job!
You go with me to the Space Program at NASA and go,
as I have gone, to the widows and orphans
of Ed White, Gus Grissom, and Roger Chaffee...
and you look those kids in the eye and tell them
that their DADS didn't hold a job.
You go with me on Memorial Day, and you stand in
Arlington National Cemetery, where I have more friends
buried than I'd like to remember, and you watch
those waving flags
You stand there, and you think about this nation,
and you tell ME that those people didn't have a job?
What about you?"
For those who don't remember ..
During W.W.II, Howard Metzenbaum was an attorney
representing the Communist Party in the USA.
Now he's a Senator!
Then he was a senator. And communism is bad now, but not ok to start a war. HYPOCRITS!
************************************************************************
If you can read this, thank a teacher.
If you are reading it in English thank a Veteran.
It might not be a bad idea to keep this circulating.

Seems to me any thinking person could debunk it in about fifteen minutes.

Nice try.

Bush is a miserable failure and not to forward you right wing bullshit lies. And forward to all. Case closed.

"It took less time to take Iraq than it took Janet Reno to take the Branch Davidian compound."

Um, where did the idea come from that we've "taken" Iraq?

Or is the Pottery Barn thing still applicable?

:patriot:

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I can't reply with enough eye rolls. There is so much crap in this e-mail it's hard to know where to start.

Yes, it is true that Germany hadn't attacked us, BUT they had invaded Poland and Austria and were bombing the UK..... Who exactly was Iraq invading/bombing?

The military action against Bosnia was by the U.N., so to say Clinton conducted that without U.N. backing is an outright lie.

With regard to Johnson and Vietnam, they fail to recognize that Nixon was elected in 1968.

Okay, I'll stop now. I'm sure others will point out other pieces of crap in this e-mail.

so I missed the added-on part.

I like that they said it wasn't Glenn. But what I wish they would have done is refute the BS point-by-point.

Otherwise, RWers will just say, "So, it wasn't Glenn, but its still a good point"

When I went to Snopes, I didn't see it either. After searching a couple times and ending up on that one again, I scrolled down and saw the rest.

making statements?

And, not only that, but statements that run contrary to his years and years as a Democrat?

Interesting.

Like he EVER would have said this....

Carlin even ended up posting a message on his site dismissing all of them, in a catch-all rant.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/quotes/glenn.asp

Glenn said the second part (in a debate with Metzenbaum in 1974) BUT HE NEVER SAID THE QUOTES ATTRIBUTED TO HIM ON IRAQ!

Where's Osama Binforgotten? Where are the WMD's? Why aren't the College Republicans and the other war backers and their family members not enlisting by the busload? Why were taxes cut during time of conflict?

That'll keep 'em busy. :nuke:

I'm not going to comment on the particular nonsense as it's not worth a reply. What's interesting to me is that so many of these RW propaganda emails circulate illustrating the collective ignorance of this group of neanderthals.

:rant:

There were 39 combat related killings in Iraq in January.
In the fair city of Detroit there were 35 murders in the
month of January. That's just one American city,
about as deadly as the entire war-torn country of Iraq.

By that logic, it would be acceptable to assassinate over two-thirds Republican membership of the Senate, since it would still be less "deadly" than a month in Iraq.

For that matter, the whole idea "39 combat deaths" is offensive, because it pretends that only American deaths occur or matter. What about the 100,000+ Iraqis that have been murdered in the course of this debauch?

Rush Limbaugh is a big fan of these cherry-picking bodycounts. One might speculate that he'd have no complaint if, say, 30 of the country's top right-wing radio personalities were executed, since that would likewise be "less deadly" than a month in Detroit.

the very real danger faced by our troops. Detroit has a population of just under a million. There are roughly 150,000 U.S. troops in Iraq at any given time. The casualty figure the OP gives is false: according to CNN, there were 55 U.S. combat related deaths in Iraq in January, 1995, which means that in that relatively quiet month, a U.S. soldier or marine in Iraq had a 1/2727 chance of getting killed in combat, compared to a citizen of Detroit's 1/28,571 chance of getting murdered. Add in non-combat related deaths in that same month (51), and a soldier's chances of getting killed in Iraq in January, 2005 alone increase to 1/1415. And that's not taking into account the unknown number of wounded. Why do Republicans hate our troops, and belittle their sacrifice?

When you have a fairly low post count and you post a few screens full of propaganda and ask help debunking it...

There WILL be those on this board who think you are just getting in your own talking points under the guise of wanting help.

So maybe it isn't such a good idea, you know?

Folks here can be a tad cranky and for good reason because it has been done before.

Here's something from a Republican website....

Between January and March of 1942, Germany U-Boats sunk 1.25 million tons of shipping, aided by the bright lights of New York, Miami and Atlantic City - all of which initially refused to impose a wartime blackout for fear of impacting tourism.

Lt. Commander Reinhard Hardegan, U-123, started the duck shoot by sinking the British freighter Cyclops near Nantucket, on 12 January 1942. Hardegan, who would sink seven ships that first week, noted the lights atop the Ferris Wheel on Coney Island as he sailed past.
The U-Boats operated freely amid this astounding laxity, in one instance sinking two ships within view of astonished sunbathers at Virginia Beach, VA. The beleaguered U.S. Navy, one half-sunk at Pearl Harbor and the other half battling for its existence in the war-torn Pacific, was hard-pressed to defend one of America's own coasts.

http://www.gopusa.com/ww2/2002/ww2_0308.shtml

More info...

http://www.fbi.gov/libref/historic/famcases/nazi/nazi.htm

Chronicle of ships attacked from 1939 to 1941….

http://www.usmm.org/sunk39-41.html

attacked our allies, and their ally attacked us, AND that Germany also declared war on us on Dec. 11, 1941--four days after Pearl Harbor, and several hours before we declared war on them in response. Neither Iraq nor its allies attacked us, nor did they attack our allies, nor did they declare war on us--this "Germany didn't attack us" thing has to be the dumbest RW talking point ever. Are they defending the Nazis now, or what?

I have fine tuned my response. I work with a bunch of slack-jawed booger eating poor, but think they are rich, republicans. Blue collar ignorance is bliss.

I just like to rub this crap in their faces when they forward these chain mails. It has a ton of other email addresses on it and I will send it back to all of them also.

Thanks.

It makes people stupid--blue collar or otherwise.