Modern IQ studies show Christians more intelligent than atheists

You have got to love our friends on DU that are into trying to convert folks to their religion - atheism! I like an Activist Site - but 24/7/365 we get "Activistic Atheism". Is this Democratic Party Underground - is this even politics?

In any case the whole discussion is bull shit in my opinion. But my atheist friends on the board will want more than my opinion! So enjoy all the stuff below stolen from a google search of the internet on this "topic".

First - In a lecture by Fritz Shafer from a website by Leadership University:http://www.leaderu.com/realri9501/bingbang2.html
and http://www.ascd.org/readingroom/edlead/9903/extpopham.html
"Recent thinking among many leading educators suggests that there are various forms of intelligence, not just one (Gardner, 1994). A child who is born with less aptitude for dealing with quantitative or verbal tasks, therefore, might possess greater "interpersonal" or "intrapersonal" intelligence, but these latter abilities are not tested by these tests. For the kinds of items that are most commonly found on standardized achievement tests, children differ in their innate abilities to respond correctly. And some items on standardized achievement tests are aimed directly at measuring such intellectual ability."

But I do like the implication of the recent "IQ Studies Show Christians Intellectually Inferior To Atheists" DU post that we must assume that scientist are the most intelligent people. It couldn't be that more materialistically inclined people go into science because they are attracted to the naturalistic thinking, the reductionism, and because it supports their ideological views? No of course not, scientists are just the only intelligent people! What about historians? What percentage of historians are believers? OR artists, poets, English professors, why can't they be intelligent? Because they don't control things and play with numbers! Because science is the atheist er zotz religion that protects him from God so naturally he thinks that the scientist is like a priest of his er zots religion! In reality of course scientists are not the only intelligent people, and it makes more sense that the more intelligent religious people would go into theology or something related. He doesn't even bother to study that, that would be a biased group (of course science isn't'!??). If he studied theologians I bet he would find the incidence of smart practitioners who believe in God going way way up!

Now the only National Merit study I know of - the Warren and Heist, 1960 - found out that there were no differences among National Merit Scholars as to religious belief relative to the general population.

But in that little self selecting club that loves to keep out opposing views - the National Acad. of Science - we do find more folks without religion - I guess Atheists hang together?

And if you are into Mensa, that group has found the social pressure to pretend to not be religious if you are seen as smart, and has responded with intelligentchristian.org, but one should note that while website editor Graham Clinton is a person of faith as well as being a member of British Mensa, there is, however, no official connection with Mensa.

Of course the studies that debunk the bull shit idea that atheist is a result of being smart is not mentioned in the "IQ Studies Show Christians Intellectually Inferior To Atheists" DU post. http://www.nihr.org/researchreports/smartthinking.html
New study debunks clims linking Relgious Fath and Intelligence
This study of 711 students ages 15 to 16 from schools throughout England found "no evidence of a relationship, either positive or negative, between intelligence and religiosity," found Dr. Leslie Francis of the University of Wales Lampeter. For decades psychologists claimed religious beliefs meant lower intelligence, Dr. Francis noted. "The major conclusion to emerge from these data concerns the absense of a significant religionship between intelligence and attitude toward Christainity. This is significant with the findings by Fracis (1979.,1986) taken together these studies clearly challenge the research consesus formulated in the late '50s...it is now consistantly found to be the case that intelligence and religosity are uncorreleted..." Many experts consider this measure to be among the purest measures of intelligence. These students also filled out a scale of 24 questions used in 100 other studies as a reliable measure regarding their feelings about religious beliefs such as God, the Bible, Jesus, prayer, and church. The study also took into account the student¼s social class.When intelligence and religious attitudes were compared, Dr. Francis found no links: "These statistics confirm there is no significant relationship between intelligence and attitude toward Christianity."

But if you like survey's we do have the 1997 N.Y. Times News Service
report that "Several recent surveys of American college professors, ..., show that professors are almost as likely to express a belief in God as are Americans as a whole."

The scientific fraternity conducted a poll and found that on any given Sunday 46% of Ph.D. holders in science can be found in church. That compares with 47% for the general population (in Alan Lightman Origins: The Lives and World of Modern Cosmologists (Harvard University press, 1999).

Fritz Shafer, nominated for Nobel Prize in Chemistry, University of Georgia, himself a Christian: "it is very rare that a physical scientists is truly an atheist."Martin Rees at Cambridge: "The possibility of life as we know it depends upon a few basic values which are constants. And it is in some aspect remarkably sensitive to their heir numerical values. Nature does exhibit remarkable coincidences."

Charlie Towns, Nobel prize winner: "The question of science seems to be unanswered if we explore from science alone. Thus I believe there is a need for some metaphysical or religious explanation. I believe in the concept of God an in his existence."

Arthur Schewhow, Nobel prize winner from Stanford, identifies himself as a Christian, "We are fortunate to have the Bible which tells us so much about God in widely accessible terms."

John Pokingham, theoretical physicist at Cambridge, left physics to become a minister. "I believe that God exists and has made himself known in Jesus Christ."

The world's greatest observational cosmologist Alan Sandage, Caregie observatories, won a prize given by Swedish parliament equivalent to Nobel prize (there is no Nobel prize for cosmology) became a Christian after being a scientist, "The nature of God is not found in any part of science, for that we must turn to the scriptures."

So they may be right. Keeping a web of consistent lies going requires some smarts, at least for the leaders of these cults.

so says a study commissioned by my pants

edit to add: I'm SERIES!!!111!1!

This one will be too.

Signed,
An atheist who alerted on both threads.

:-)

Or just trying to get some of the dog that bit you?

How do you suppose you could have acted to improve things rather than exacerbate things?

- and similiar thread.

When you meet a school yard bully, ignoring or reasoning with them does not work. Either laugh at them - or fight!

I like to laugh.

Their IQ must be much higher.

I'm atheist, and I can't quite see what you're getting at.

indeed general population ratios continue in the high IQ group.

And IQ measures more than physical science and math ability.

christianity. and that intelligence isn't established by the fact of atheism.

It does not, however, weigh in on whether christianity is stupid or ignorant as a belief system. The smart can get one thing wrong, and a stopped clock is right twice a day.

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh !

2 hour show.

She was the greatest!

:toast:

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Oh God, have I been passive agressive again?

:toast:

"special needs" smilies.

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whose IQ was at genius level (far above mine!). He was doing research on subatomic physics, and, in his own words, "I realized I had proved the existance of God. But the scientific establishment wouldn't accept my findings, so I changed careers." He is a Sufi brother and a semazin (whirling dervish).

Quantum theory makes my head spin!

Me, too-but he's a fascinating person to talk to. And I hope that atheists and scientists reading my posts realize that I was just mentioning one person's experience, which is one reason I quoted him directly.

Or was it worse?

:-)

By the way--is that the same Fritz Shafer, nominated for a Nobel prize and from the University of Georgia, as this one? Slightly different spellings of the name, but so what?

More intelligent or less, it's clear that at least some Christians are positively dogmatic in their idiocy and deceptiveness.

the other thread was locked and this one isn't.

Poor, persecuted christians

One that's been asked many times.

Did you hear the one about the three Brazilians?

blubbering copycat posts with many spelling errors?

that people who shower rather than bath have higher IQs also. I think this is nothing more than a lame attempt at trolling. Who really cares?

are not Asian. "God" help you too if you're African-American.

So what?

Is it really true that all of human capability can be wrapped up in a single two or three digit number?

Well, I guess if you believe in God, you'll believe anything, even all this IQ dither.

The whole IQ bit, like the whole religion bit, it just popular pablum. It means nothing.

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to walk the walk and be an intrinsic religious type - is a human ability like any other. So you cannot compare like that.

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how about this...

_______ are super-smart and _______ are retarded.



everyone can choose to fill in the blanks however they want.

This post is inflammatory, and targets other members of DU.