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Charlie Brown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 03:45 PM
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NC Baptists threaten to boot churches that support gays
http://www.nbc17.com/news/5266509/detail.html

WENDELL, N.C. -- A Wake County pastor is spearheading an effort to kick what he calls "gay-friendly" churches out of the North Carolina Baptist Convention.

"We are holding on to gospel of the Lord and to the teachings of the word of God," said Bill Sanderson, pastor of Hephzibah Baptist Church, in Wendell, and leader of a conservative faction within the Baptist Convention. "We must set a boundary on issues that say, 'We go this far and no further.'"

Current policy within the convention already addresses some of the homosexuality issues. Pullen Memorial Baptist Church, in Raleigh, was kicked out of the state convention more than a decade ago, for example, after blessing a union between two homosexual men.

"That is not the way Baptists operate," said Nancy Petty, Pullen Memorial pastor, who is a lesbian. "It goes against the principles that Jesus taught that all people are included."
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Debau2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 03:46 PM
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1. Ah yes
remind me again of what they believe? I think it is What Would Jesus Do?
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Caoimhe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 03:46 PM
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2. Because Jesus said to spit on gays
right? I am so sick of these intolerant, hatred filled bigots posing as Christians.
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marew Donating Member (854 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 03:53 PM
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11. Amen! These are the same ones who think killing 100,000+
innocent Iraqi citizens as collateral damage in an unjust war is no problem!
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 04:07 PM
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14. I believe they're forgetting
"he who doesn't sin cast the first stone."
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RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 03:47 PM
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3. They should feel proud to be booted out
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Burning Water Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 03:50 PM
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8. I agree with you
100%.

I'm not gay, but if I were, why would I want to associate with people who didn't want to associate with me??

I've got too much pride for that.

Rejection cuts both ways.
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 03:47 PM
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4. Time to cast stones!
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Thtwudbeme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 03:48 PM
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5. Ummmm Riggghtttt.....Adios, Wake Forest University?
Bullshit; they can't lose the money from the Liberal Baptist Churches. The "Liberals" tend to be the churches in the wealthy areas, with the primarily elite, educated congregations.

That fucker can threaten all he wants to; it's going nowhere. That split was a long time ago...sounds as if he's not over it yet.
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UrbScotty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 03:49 PM
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6. You mean they haven't already? (nt)
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bertha katzenengel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 03:50 PM
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7. It's all in the interpretation of the bible and one's strength & integrity
If one finds his interpretation of the bible does not support what he knows to be right, he has to change his interpretation or reject his church's tenets (note I didn't say "reject his beliefs" or "religion"). Doing either of those things isn't easy - that's where the strength & integrity come in.

Seems to me like Mr. Sanderson is not interested in changing his interpetation. He doesn't have to, by God -- yes, that's it. "By God," exactly. He has the surety of blind faith. God help the homosexual members of the Baptist Convention of NC.
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seejanerun Donating Member (71 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 03:51 PM
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9. Maybe they should go.
With all of the news lately about how churches are trying to control the votes of their parishoners, wouldn't it be a good idea for the churches that believe in freedom to splinter off, leaving the hard little knot of mean-spirited people to talk to themselves.
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NAO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 03:52 PM
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10. What would happen if Churches were not restrained by Secular Government...
excerpt from Robert G. Ingersoll's Heretics and Heresies:

"It is claimed that God wrote a book called the Bible, and it is generally admitted that this book is somewhat difficult to understand. As long as the church had all the copies of this book, and the people were not allowed to read it, there was comparatively little heresy in the world; but when it was printed and read, people began honestly to differ as to its meaning. A few were independent and brave enough to give the world their real thoughts, and for the extermination of these men the church used all her power. Protestants and Catholics vied with each other in the work of enslaving the human mind. For ages they were rivals in the infamous effort to rid the earth of honest people. They infested every country, every city, town, hamlet and family. They appealed to the worst passions of the human heart. They sowed the seeds of discord and hatred in every land. Brother denounced brother, wives informed against their husbands, mothers accused their children, dungeons were crowded with the innocent; the flesh of the good and true rotted in the clasp of chains; the flames devoured the heroic, and in the name of the most merciful God, his children were exterminated with famine, sword, and fire. Over the wild waves of battle rose and fell the banner of Jesus Christ. for sixteen hundred years the robes of the church were red with innocent blood. The ingenuity of Christians was exhausted in devising punishment severe enough to be inflicted upon other Christians who honestly and sincerely differed with them upon any point whatever."

"Give any orthodox church the power, and to-day they would punish heresy with whip, and chain, and fire. As long as a church deems a certain belief essential to salvation, just so long it will kill and burn if it has the power. Why should the church pity a man whom her God hates? Why should she show mercy to a kind and noble heretic whom her God will burn in eternal fire? Why should a Christian be better than his God? It is impossible for the imagination to conceive of a greater atrocity than has been perpetrated by the church. Every nerve in the human body capable of pain has been sought out and touched."

Let it be remembered that all churches have persecuted heretics to the fullest extent of their power. Toleration has increased only when and where the power of the church has diminished. From Augustine until now the spirit of the Christians has remained the same. There has been the same intolerance, the same undying hatred of all who think for themselves, and the same determination to crush out of the human brain all knowledge inconsistent with an ignorant creed."

"According to the theologians, God, the Father of us all, wrote a letter to his children. The children have always differed somewhat as to the meaning of this letter. In consequence of these honest differences, these brothers began to cut out each other's hearts. In every land, where this letter from God has been read, the children to whom and for whom it was written have been filled with hatred and malice. They have imprisoned and murdered each other, and the wives and children of each other. In the name of God every possible crime has been committed, every conceivable outrage has been perpetrated. Brave men, tender and loving women, beautiful girls, and prattling babes have been exterminated in the name of Jesus Christ. For more than fifty generations the church has carried the black flag. Her vengeance has been measured only by her power. During all these years of infamy no heretic has ever been forgiven. With the heart of a fiend she has hated; with the clutch of avarice she has grasped; with the jaws of a dragon she has devoured; pitiless as famine, merciless as fire, with the conscience of a serpent: such is the history of the Church of God."

Robert G. Ingersoll's Heretics and Heresies
http://www.infidels.org/library/historical/robert_ingersoll/heretics_and_hericies.html

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Gruenemann Donating Member (753 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 03:55 PM
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12. Is there such a thing...
...as a 'gay friendly' Baptist church in North Carolina????
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chaska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 04:05 PM
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13. when is someone going to challenge these assholes? THIS is NOT Christian.
They've absolutely turned the teachings of Jesus upsidedown.
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kweerwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 06:27 PM
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15. That's the whole problem ...
... Liberal and moderate "real" Christians need to be standing up to the psuedo-christians who preach hate and twist the cross into a swastika.
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Zenlitened Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 08:10 PM
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16. The what? The Hezbollah Baptist Church?
:spray:

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charlyvi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 08:12 PM
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17. So much for "love they neighbor". n/t
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