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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-05 08:11 PM
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State Dept. Sets Up Site To Publish Material For DU To Argue About
Edited on Tue Nov-08-05 08:18 PM by althecat
http://usinfo.state.gov/media/misinformation.html



When this website first appeared it was just a fairly standard text about misinformation. Now they have gone TOTALLY to town on it....

See... http://usinfo.state.gov/media/misinformation.html

In the media wars this is a very interesting development. In the past the State Dept. have been the unrivalled experts in misinformation dissemination. they even set up an entire agency the USIS (United States Information Service) to tell lies about among other things the Sandinistas.

Now the propaganda masters don't like it.

But where they are likely to find themselves in trouble is when they identify as misinformation information which is not so easily dismissed.

For example...

http://usinfo.state.gov/media/Archive/2005/Sep/13-527977.html
U.S. Forces Not Using Chemical Weapons in Tall Afar, Iraq
Terrorist leader Zarqawi makes false claim
On September 11, 2005, Abu-Mus’ab al-Zarqawi, the leader of Al Qaeda in Iraq, falsely accused U.S. forces of using “poisonous gases” in a battle in the Iraqi city of Tall Afar. Zarqawi’s false accusation has been widely reported in world media.


--- WHICH WITH RECENT REVELATIONS ABOUT FALLUJAH CAN BE READ IN AN ENTIRELY NEW LIGHT

& MOST REDICULOUS OF ALL

http://usinfo.state.gov/media/Archive/2005/Jan/24-107572.html
False Allegations Regarding Depleted Uranium
Rumors of adverse health effects proved inaccurate

There is a great deal of misinformation and unwarranted fears about depleted uranium (DU), which U.S. armed forces use in several types of ammunition to take advantage of its unsurpassed ability to penetrate armored vehicles.

Depleted uranium is a derivative of natural uranium, a very common element in our environment. Many people don't realize that our environment contains small amounts of natural uranium, which we breathe, eat, and drink every day.


---- WOULD YOU LIKE SOME OF THAT DEPLETED URANIUM ON YOUR CORNFLAKES DEAR....

al
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-05 08:39 PM
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1. I saw this site a while back.
I wrote the State Dept. to share my concerns about web based disinfo and report a site I thought was part of that.

I provided them their own url.


(Hang on. There's someone at my door. :hide: )

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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-05 09:05 PM
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2. Very funny..... did you get a reply...
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-05 10:21 PM
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6. Never heard back.
My friends were freaked out that I did it. But if State got 20 million emails like mine they'd take the site down.
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 01:23 AM
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8. It's too funny... we don't want it taken down
Soon they will be suggesting that Kennedy really was shot by a lone gunman.
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 02:16 AM
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9. Yeah. And that * was really elected.
:grr:
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 04:06 AM
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10. That's what they are talking about... irresponsible misinformation
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-05 09:17 PM
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3. My My! What a target rich environment you've discovered.
Check out the How to Identify Misinformation page.

I especially like:
Extremist groups, such as splinter communist parties, often publish disinformation. This can be especially difficult to identify if the false allegations are published by front groups. Front groups purport to be independent, non-partisan organizations but actually controlled by political parties or groups. Some examples of front groups are:

* The International Action Center, which is a front group for a splinter communist party called the Workers World Party

* The Free Arab Voice, a website that serves as a front for Arab communist Muhammad Abu Nasr and his colleagues.


Um, you mean like Talon News?

-Hoot
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-05 09:27 PM
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4. Yes.... my point entirely....
it would be fun to start up a dialogue with the editors...

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yodermon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-05 09:35 PM
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5. Well, Sibel Edmonds says the State Dept. is the MOST corrupt..
http://www.antiwar.com/deliso/?articleid=6934

CD: I know you can't name names, but are there any government agencies in particular that you can single out as being more corrupt or more involved with the substance of your allegations?

SE: The Department of State.

CD: What, the most corrupt?

SE: The Department of State is easily the most corrupted of the major government agencies.

So, go figure.
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wookie294 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-05 10:37 PM
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7. Wow, thanks for this
I just sent an email providing quotes of disinformation by Cheney and Bush. It's ironic that those assholes have a website to correct "disinformation". Up is down, down is up and Bush is a man who means what he says. LOL.
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atommom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 04:49 PM
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11. kicking so we can argue some more. ;)
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phusion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 07:34 PM
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12. hahaha
yea, we'll go right ahead and trust a State Department website to report the truth!

:rofl: :rofl:
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phusion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 07:42 PM
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13. look at Saddam's capture
http://usinfo.state.gov/media/Archive/2005/Mar/15-731732.html


"On March 9, 2005, the Saudi newspaper Al-Medina reported allegations that Saddam Hussein's capture had been faked. The allegations were made by Nadim Abou Rabeh, who was identified as an ex-U.S. soldier who had personally taken part in the capture of Saddam. Mr. Nadim made the following allegations, some of which have been repeated in other media:

* Saddam was captured on December 12, 2003, not December 13, as reported.
* Saddam was not found in a "spider hole," but in a house.
* Saddam resisted heroically, firing more than 20 shots at his captors.
* A U.S. military film crew staged the "spider hole" capture story.
* A U.S. soldier of Sudanese origin was killed in the operation.

The allegations are a total fabrication. The facts are as follows:

o Two U.S. soldiers were killed on December 12, 2003: Private First Class Jeffrey Braun and Sergeant Jarrod Black. Neither has a Sudanese-sounding name. These facts can be verified at the Web site http://icasualties.org/oif/BY_DOD.aspx, which lists all U.S. forces killed in Iraq."
....



So, as part of their "debunking," they just repeat everything found in the DOD news release. My favorite part is the "Sudanese-Sounding name." :eyes:

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Kralizec Donating Member (982 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 08:05 PM
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14. 1984!!
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-05 05:04 AM
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15. Who voted for this post!!!...... arguers no doubt...
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-05 08:05 PM
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16. Misinformation Blowback.... State Dept Site Catches Itself Lying
Misinformation Blowback.... State Dept Site Catches Itself Lying

From: http://usinfo.state.gov/media/Archive_Index/Illegal_Weapons_in_Fallujah.html
Did the U.S. Use "Illegal" Weapons in Fallujah?
(WELL YES MAYBE BUT NOT IN AN ILLEGAL FASHION.... OR PROBABLY NOT ANYEAY...)

Finally, some news accounts have claimed that U.S. forces have used "outlawed" phosphorous shells in Fallujah. Phosphorous shells are not outlawed. U.S. forces have used them very sparingly in Fallujah, for illumination purposes. They were fired into the air to illuminate enemy positions at night, not at enemy fighters.

November 10, 2005 note: We have learned that some of the information we were provided in the above paragraph is incorrect. White phosphorous shells, which produce smoke, were used in Fallujah not for illumination but for screening purposes, i.e., obscuring troop movements and, according to an article, "The Fight for Fallujah," in the March-April 2005 issue of Field Artillery magazine, "as a potent psychological weapon against the insurgents in trench lines and spider holes …." The article states that U.S. forces used white phosphorous rounds to flush out enemy fighters so that they could then be killed with high explosive rounds.
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-05 08:06 PM
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17. Methinks this may be worthy of its own post....
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