I live in So. Cal and I told the women at the polling place when

I came out of the booth, "Hey -- my ballot seems to be missing something. Where do I put my mark to vote Arnold out of office??"

The women didn't laugh...

My wife thought it was funny, though.

Now that's a line!

Screw 'em if they can't take a joke.

I thought your line was pretty funny.
:thumbsup:

was enough to get them all nervous. Even "Rick" the poll watcher walked away. :P

yet. We still get to use paper ballots!

The reason I ask is because my normal punchcard precinct had those and after you were done they went into a machine that had a big DIEBOLD on it.

at least they use paper.

He's a moderate. I know many conservatives who can't stand him because of his stance on environmental and some social issues.

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He is a scumbag bushlicking girlieman!!!!!!!!

California's budget is way out of wack and suffering from huge ass deficits. The money's got to be cut from somewhere. He can start by cutting corporate subsidies. Next, he can cut SOME of the crazy benefits and pay raises that the public employees want even though the money isn't there to spend.

Each side has to give a little - otherwise there will be no success. If Arnold is too anti-corporation then many will leave California for Nevada or Arizona - and take their tax money with them. It's a delicate game he's playing right now.

There is one place the money can come from. We can also increase the taxes that corporations pay. If they want to leave fine, if they want to do business in California, like THEY want to, they can pay.

"There is one place the money can come from. We can also increase the taxes that corporations pay."

While it sounds like a novel idea and I support it, it's unfortunately not practical and I urge us to be realists. Nevada has a very low(if non-existant, I forget the specifics) corporate tax. If you increase the taxes on companies in California, they will pack up and jump the state line, plain and simple. And California has one of the highest tax burdens in America on both its businesses and citizens. So it's not exactly practical to raise taxes where they're already very high. Some moderate tax increases on corporatations and a few closings of corporate loopholes will help solve the problem. But like I said, it's not quite so cut and dry. You tax them too hard and they'll just up and leave you and take their tax money with them to whatever state is the best host.

"If they want to leave fine, if they want to do business in California, like THEY want to, they can pay."

I wish it were that easy. But with the pro-corporate laws that Congress has dished out in the past 35 years there's not much we can do short of moderate tax raises. The problem in California is the cost of living is way too high. It needs to be lowered - and then taxes and spending will drop.

Everybody wants a piece of the action and a sip out of the collective bucket. But there's only so much to go around and certain basic functions have to be paid for. It's unfortunate but not everybody can get a taste.

realistic property taxes...on the real value of homes in calif..but heavens nooooooooo calif people would never put up with that!!

try some eastern states..calif property taxes are so out of wack with the rest of the nation..they are so fraudly kept low...by prop 13..so you get what you pay for!!


fly

like population, GDP, total wealth, spending, and investment, among many others. Lowering the cost of living isn't easy but it has to be done if California wants to maintain his enormous population and laid back lifestyle

have changed things were on the ballot in this special election. For example .... the state employees pensions, as they stand right now will bankrupt the state in 25 to 30 years. If nothing is done about that, we will be bankrupt on that alone. Arnold mentioned that once about a year ago and has never said anything else about it. Why isn't this being addressed. There are many other issues and I am a moderate on somethings and liberal on others, but if you tell me that this ONE THING will bankrupt us and do nothing about it, and instead try to redistrict the state so there are more republican districts then how can I have respect for someone like that???

but Grey Davis was a fucking inept buffoon when it came to running my state. It's too bad we had to elect a movie star to try and "fix" a problem that shouldn't have crept up in the first place. But that's another issue for another day.

"DoctorGonzo, I do know what you are saying but none of the issues that could have changed things were on the ballot in this special election. For example .... the state employees pensions, as they stand right now will bankrupt the state in 25 to 30 years. If nothing is done about that, we will be bankrupt on that alone."

That's a problem with pensions period. They're a very bad idea. I'm not trying to offend anybody on them but they are a really bad way to go when it comes to planning for retirement. You have to become independent, otherwise you're at the mercy of the state or corporation who has promised you your pension.

This is a problem with corporations also. Whether we like corporate influence or not we have to recognize that foreign competition is very rapidly threatening our domestic companies. And this puts millions of jobs at risk in America. In the 3rd World, slave labor is a way of life so to speak. You can get away with anything. And they are spitting out t-shirts for a tenth of what our domestic companies can produce them for. That's why we have so much outsourcing at the moment.

This is exactly why I advocate anarcho-syndicalism over state-socialism. You have to take care of yourself because "big brother" socialism that LBJ created isn't going to last forever. The costs are way too high and they increase expotentially every single year. Just look at health care as a prime example.

"Arnold mentioned that once about a year ago and has never said anything else about it. Why isn't this being addressed."

That is something I don't know. I hope he will address the pension issue though because they have to be completely shaved off. There simply isn't enough money there to pay for them.

"There are many other issues and I am a moderate on somethings and liberal on others, but if you tell me that this ONE THING will bankrupt us and do nothing about it, and instead try to redistrict the state so there are more republican districts then how can I have respect for someone like that???"

Good point. That's why I advocated moderation as you said you did as well. BTW, I don't support the redistricting inititive. My apologies for lack of clarification. However, American unions, whether public or private, are killing both public and private revenue sources - and this is leading to outsourcing. I've even heard of some states who outsource service and tech work to China and India in a bid to save funds. We had better watch out or else we'll get outsourced as well.

"This is exactly why I advocate anarcho-syndicalism over state-socialism. You have to take care of yourself because "big brother" socialism that LBJ created isn't going to last forever"

Taking care of our poor COULD last forever. We send billions of dollars subsidizing foreign countries. Hell we are spending something like a billion a month in Iraq. Why would it be so horrible to reallocate that money to take care of OUR people instead? Now I know you are probably saying, why take care of the lazy. Why do I break my neck every day at 5:30am to get to a job I hate. Why don't they do it as well. Well, not everyone even gets the opportunity to land a good or even decent job and others that do get jobs get to be a 'greeter' at Walmart for $6 bucks an hour. The bottom line is education and if you aren't educated, you aren't going to get a great or even good job and GUESS WHAT - Our system would collapse if every single person in the US was highly educated and thus expected a great job. There has to be someone to check your groceries or be your waitress or wash your car or whatever. I don't exactly like when I hear about welfare fraud or workers comp fraud or any other abuses of the system, but some people live paycheck to paycheck and thinking about thier future by tucking a little money away is just not an option - hell they can't even make it to the next paycheck without a couple of hungry nights and I would rather take care of them than the billions we send to foreign countries (who by the way, laugh at us as they take our money)

Second ... I forgot my other point.

"Taking care of our poor COULD last forever."

I agree. If it were affordable and if the number of poor dropped. The simple fact is that our cost of living in the states, and in particular in California, is way too fucking high.

"We send billions of dollars subsidizing foreign countries. Hell we are spending something like a billion a month in Iraq. Why would it be so horrible to reallocate that money to take care of OUR people instead?"

Dude, I couldn't fucking agree with you more. But the problem is that *California* cannot afford the payments. The federal government is going to have to take up the slack on that. And as long as you have assholes like Neal Boortz and Lars Larsen bitching and screaming and redneck middle Americans whining about giving money to drug dealers instead of single mothers, this is going to be a hotly contested federal issue. Although I would love to see it go through if we could cut down on welfare fraud.


"Now I know you are probably saying, why take care of the lazy. Why do I break my neck every day at 5:30am to get to a job I hate. Why don't they do it as well. Well, not everyone even gets the opportunity to land a good or even decent job and others that do get jobs get to be a 'greeter' at Walmart for $6 bucks an hour."

Good point. But there are many people who sit around who could start up small businesses who could help take the slack off our wallets. Now that you mention the lazies as I call them, keep in mind these people are like dead weights on a person trying to float. When we have our own money we spend it usually in good places that further drive the economy. However, it has been shown that *many*, not *all* welfare recepients trade welfare money for dope - and that's simply unacceptable.

Welfare and benefits are there for people who really need them. When I was younger I would sponge off my parents all day and not work. Then I started up a business on Ebay and I'm doing pretty well. Tens of thousands of Californians could start up internet or other small businesses easily if they wanted to. Like I said, I love helping those who actually need it, not those who just suck off of it.

"The bottom line is education and if you aren't educated, you aren't going to get a great or even good job and GUESS WHAT - Our system would collapse if every single person in the US was highly educated and thus expected a great job. There has to be someone to check your groceries or be your waitress or wash your car or whatever."

I understand what you are saying. This is all part of the big game of capitalism. Of which I am not a big fan. But it's a system we have and it's not going away any time soon no matter how much we bitch and whine about it. However, people have gotten used to bitching and begging for higher pensions and benefits and the money simply isn't there any more because of inflation, outsourcing, rising cost of living, and rising cost of health care. The government can only take in so much money and allocate so much without over-spending like we're doing now in Mr. Cheney's corporate federal republic.

"I don't exactly like when I hear about welfare fraud or workers comp fraud or any other abuses of the system, but some people live paycheck to paycheck and thinking about their future by tucking a little money away is just not an option - hell they can't even make it to the next paycheck without a couple of hungry nights and I would rather take care of them than the billions we send to foreign countries (who by the way, laugh at us as they take our money)"

You make a very good point - again. But however, keep in mind the federal government has to take up the slack. The states simply do not have the monetary resources to take on such a massive challenge.

"Second ... I forgot my other point."

Let me know if you remember it.

difference. The reason California HAS a large deficit is because Arnie and his buddies in the Energy trading business ripped us off for 9 billion dollars. The lawsuit that might have produced a return of that stolen money was immediately settled by Arnie for pennies on the dollar thus perpetuating the deficit. This, of course is why he was hired for the job by his corporate pals.

"Oh man, have you been conned. He's PLAYING a moderate."

He's very supportive of environmental issues - so says his cousin RFK Jr. And I know it's a family thing but if he can praise him on the thing I believe him. Besides, he's pro-abortion and pro-gay rights. Those aren't exactly conservative positions.

"Big difference. The reason California HAS a large deficit is because Arnie and his buddies in the Energy trading business ripped us off for 9 billion dollars."

Partially. Also because Grey Davis is a bumbling moron who should never had been elected. I don't believe in party lines when it comes to incompetence and stupidity. The man was a fucking inept planner and a completely unqualified leader who PROVED he didn't know how to run a government by raising taxes for stupid purposes like running environmental campaigns - something that should be left to private environmental orginizations, not the government. Not to mention he spent without even thinking about where the money is going to come from. Which led to a huge small business exodus a few years ago of which quite a few friends and relatives of mine were a part of so I know of it first hand. Come on pal, you remember when a lot of small business owners jumped the borders to Nevada, Arizona, and Colorado, among many other places.

"The lawsuit that might have produced a return of that stolen money was immediately settled by Arnie for pennies on the dollar thus perpetuating the deficit. This, of course is why he was hired for the job by his corporate pals."

Hired? He was elected fair and square governor of California. I assume that's what you mean. If not then please specify.

Arnold is not a conservative though. He may lean towards corporations a little too much - but he is by no means the C word.

...and can you do without the use of name-calling like "moron". I am too a Californian & have seen Arnold try to take all of the progressive gains we have made over the last 30+ years. He's in the pocket of the Corporations...which are NOT good for California. His adgenda is clear & he has run the state into further debt, while sweeping the prevoius deficit under-the-rug by taking out BONDS (future debt) & lowering our credit-rating. You are making a nice attempt, but you are out-gunned here by those of us who know better.

He was voted "fair & squre"...are you kidding??? The corpaorate masters that ran Arnoild PAID people to gather "signatures"...many of which were questionable. Grey may have sucked, but Arnold is WORSE fiscally & in every other way. I retunred to college for my engineering degree & my fees have increase 3 times since the Arnold has been in office..he simply sucks for the little guy.

The businesses will not "go somewhere else...we are a huge costal/port & economic power. We could run sucessfully as our own COUNTRY if we so chose (sans Arnold)...so don't gimme that bullshit propoganda....ain't nobody gonna leave cause they NEED California.

BTW, I see you have joined TODAY...hmmmm, good timing!!!

((Can you please BE SPECIFIC how Arnold is better than Grey Davis
...))

Okay, one reason is that Arnold is actually trying to do something. Grey Davis was so fucking inept that those in his own party turned on him in HUGE numbers. Come on man, you remember that. Bustamante was on his ass as much as Arnold. Davis was raising taxes for MORE spending when there was an enormous deficit instead of raising taxes to offset that deficit. Every halfwit businessman can pay off his debts. Davis couldn't even do that - that's incompetence. Arnold is trying to do *something.* I don't agree with all the ballot measures but he is attempting to do something. And as we all know, he lost all 4 so it's not really an issue any more.

California is in deep shit. The debt is way too fucking high. Inflation and taxes are out of control just like the cost of living. I've been thinking about moving to Vegas myself but I've been hesitant because I've been awaiting a turn around. But the problem with these public employee unions is that they don't understand that you can't spend money that isn't there. Any politician, whichever party they belong to, should be able to see that and understand it.

((and can you do without the use of name-calling like "moron".))

I'm sorry but no. I hate Grey Davis. He's a fucking inept moron who can't run a government. He's the main reason Arnold's in power in the first place. Don't forget that.

((I am too a Californian & have seen Arnold try to take all of the progressive gains we have made over the last 30+ years. He's in the pocket of the Corporations...which are NOT good for California.))

That's not entirely true. Arnold's not that right wing as you think. He's pushing for tougher environmental regulations and he's pro-choice and pro-gay rights. He's just trying to cut out some of the debt that has been accumulated. I think he's too corporate, but some concessions from both sides have to be made or else we'll have further debt AND have corporations leave and take their operations - and jobs and tax revenue - with them.

((His agenda is clear & he has run the state into further debt, while sweeping the previous deficit under-the-rug by taking out BONDS (future debt) & lowering our credit-rating. You are making a nice attempt, but you are out-gunned here by those of us who know better.))

He had to take out the bonds to pay for some basic functions. That's how bad Davis was. He didn't even leave enough money in the piggy bank to pay for the basics. I'm going to say it again, he's the reason Arnold's in power in the first place. You wanna bitch, take your complaint to him for being so fucking stupid.

((He was voted "fair & squre"...are you kidding??? The corpaorate masters that ran Arnoild PAID people to gather "signatures"...many of which were questionable.))

I can believe voter fraud when it comes to Dubya, but not Arnold. He one by over a MILLION votes. You can't fake that many in such a small area. I'm sorry, I don't buy those allegations.


((Grey may have sucked, but Arnold is WORSE fiscally & in every other way.))

Not really. He's trying to contain spending, which is WAY out of control as you know. There are only 2 things we here can do: cut corporate subsidies and raise their taxes modestly,(otherwise they'll just pack up and leave) or we're going to have to cut some of these CRAZY benefits that these public employees unions want. The state cannot afford to pay for the insane costs of health care. It rises faster than inflation. It'll bankrupt the state. Come on man, that's common sense.

((I retunred to college for my engineering degree & my fees have increase 3 times since the Arnold has been in office..he simply sucks for the little guy.))

It's not so simple. Fees have also increased because the staff and professors are getting so fucking greedy. They all want 10K pay raises every other year. That's what your tuition is paying for. Those assholes. Arnold's got a monster pig to slice up and the thing is still squirming. It's very difficult to do because benefit promises equals political staying power in America.

((The businesses will not "go somewhere else...we are a huge costal/port & economic power.))

Tell that to some of my relatives and friends who've left to neighboring states because they couldn't afford the rapidly increasing business taxes on their coffee shops and clothing stores. As for big corporate money. Come on man, you know those corporate fascists hop ship faster than a stowaway.

((We could run sucessfully as our own COUNTRY if we so chose (sans Arnold)...so don't gimme that bullshit propoganda....ain't nobody gonna leave cause they NEED California.))

Maybe some smaller industries but big oil is currently in the process of fucking the United States government up the ass by basically telling us: you pay us our profits at our inflated costs or we take our oil to China. And they will - driving up costs here even more. And if they can do that to the FEDERAL government - imagine what they could do to us. And that's not including other powerful industries.

((BTW, I see you have joined TODAY...hmmmm, good timing!!!))

Thanks. lol

on that fucked california..guess you don't know about it huh?????????????

yes go look at piganator who was in on all the enron meetings hidden in nice hotels in so calif..see what the enron folks said about screwing little old ladies in calif who needed to cool their homes!!

go see how * would not give relief to calif ...go do some research about it before you pass arnie off as a good guy..he is a filthy nazi and i will say that till my last breath...arnie and enron and cheney planned a way to steal calif...do the reasearch...

because he is a moderate like attilla the hun is a pussy cat!!

fly

read!~

MN | 08/24/2003 | ARNOLD TELLS THE WORLD HE'S WHITE

"Schwarzenegger didn't shy away from controversial views. He often got into heated battles with Rick Wayne -- a black bodybuilder from St. Lucia, a Caribbean island -- about one of the most emotional international issues of the 1970s: racial segregation in South Africa.Wayne said Schwarzenegger defended the apartheid system and argued that white South Africans could not turn power over to black South Africans without ruining the nation.``At the time, I just thought he was an out-and-out racist,'' Wayne said in a recent interview.Schwarzenegger also appeared to have no qualms about telling Jewish jokes to his friends.Wayne said he watched Schwarzenegger upset Jewish friend Joe Weider to the point of tears with his crass jokes, which included doing an impression of Hitler.As their friendship evolved, Wayne said he came to understand Schwarzenegger's sense of humor.Wayne once asked his friend how an Austrian immigrant had conquered Hollywood.In a moment of ``pure mischief,'' he said, Schwarzenegger stood up, looked him ``straight in the eye and said, `Because I've got the greatest physique in the world, I'm sharp, I'm super talented.' Then he stood up, walked down the hall, looked over his shoulder and said: `And I'm white.' ''"

http://gregpalast.com/detail.cfm?artid=283&row=0

Arnold Unplugged - It's hasta la vista to $9 billion if the Governator is selected
Friday, October 3, 2003

snip:

The wannabe governor has yet to deny that on May 17, 2001, at the Peninsula Hotel in Los Angeles, he had consensual political intercourse with Enron chieftain Kenneth Lay. Also frolicking with Arnold and Ken was convicted stock swindler Mike Milken.



Now, thirty-four pages of internal Enron memoranda have just come through this reporter's fax machine tell all about the tryst between Maria's husband and the corporate con men. It turns out that Schwarzenegger knowingly joined the hush-hush encounter as part of a campaign to sabotage a Davis-Bustamante plan to make Enron and other power pirates then ravaging California pay back the $9 billion in illicit profits they carried off.



Here's the story Arnold doesn't want you to hear. The biggest single threat to Ken Lay and the electricity lords is a private lawsuit filed last year under California's unique Civil Code provision 17200, the "Unfair Business Practices Act." This litigation, heading to trial now in Los Angeles, would make the power companies return the $9 billion they filched from California electricity and gas customers.



It takes real cojones to bring such a suit. Who's the plaintiff taking on the bad guys? Cruz Bustamante, Lieutenant Governor and reluctant leading candidate against Schwarzenegger.


snip:
Now follow the action. One month after Cruz brings suit, Enron's Lay calls an emergency secret meeting in L.A. of his political buck-buddies, including Arnold. Their plan, to undercut Davis (according to Enron memos) and "solve" the energy crisis -- that is, make the Bustamante legal threat go away.



How can that be done? Follow the trail with me.



While Bustamante's kicking Enron butt in court, the Davis Administration is simultaneously demanding that George Bush's energy regulators order the $9 billion refund. Don't hold your breath: Bush's Federal Energy Regulatory Commission is headed by a guy proposed by … Ken Lay.


snip:

But Bush's boys on the commission have a problem. The evidence against the electricity barons is rock solid: fraudulent reporting of sales transactions, megawatt "laundering," fake power delivery scheduling and straight out conspiracy (including meetings in hotel rooms).



So the Bush commissioners cook up a terrific scheme: charge the companies with conspiracy but offer them, behind closed doors, deals in which they have to pay only two cents on each dollar they filched.



Problem: the slap-on-the-wrist refunds won't sail if the Governor of California won't play along. Solution: Re-call the Governor.

crisis... I see

that energy screwing is what killed the state and arnie was put into place to get enron and cheney off the hook!!

it is the biggest screwing a state has ever taken..and yet most calif people don't get it..

and arnie was in on the meetings to screw californians!!

he was in on all the meetings!!

and it was planned to knock grey davis out...and get the piganator in to steal calif for presidential elections!!

when do californians wake the hell up to this??????????

piganator is just as responsible for the deficit as enron and cheney are!!

it was all planned and deliberate!!

the grpoenator is no friend or moderate to any californian or anyone else in this country he is a filthy nazi!

fly

so take up the deficit with this "moderate guy"
who was in on the energy meetings ..you know the secret ones who laughed at screwing the little old ladies in calif..whos bills went up the kazoo...yes arnuld was knee deep in the energy meetings to screw calif and grey davis..to bankrupt calif!! so they could steal the state they could never win legitimately!

take it up with the gropenator..he is resposible for the deficit!

he and cheney!!

and enron!!

fly

there is nothing delicate about it.

He's the governor of California and a celebrity - that's why he spoke at the convention. The same reason why Barack Obama spoke. He was an "up and comer" so to speak. That's all a convention is - a big publicity stunt to lick the candidate's ass.(whichever party he is doesn't matter)

But I can remember how many conservatives didn't want him to speak because they were trying to alienate the left and middle parts of the party.

snip:

http://gregpalast.com/detail.cfm?artid=283&row=0



The pay-off? Once Arnold is Governor, he blesses the sweetheart settlements with the power companies. When that happens, Bustamante's court cases are probably lost. There aren't many judges who will let a case go to trial to protect a state if that a governor has already allowed the matter to be "settled" by a regulatory agency.



So think about this. The state of California is in the hole by $8 billion for the coming year. That's chump change next to the $8 TRILLION in deficits and surplus losses planned and incurred by George Bush. Nevertheless, the $8 billion deficit is the hanging rope California's right wing is using to lynch Governor Davis.



Yet only Davis and Bustamante are taking direct action to get back the $9 billion that was vacuumed out of the state by Enron, Reliant, Dynegy, Williams Company and the other Texas bandits who squeezed the state by the bulbs.



But if Arnold is selected, it's 'hasta la vista' to the $9 billion. When the electricity emperors whistle, Arnold comes -- to the Peninsula Hotel or the Governor's mansion. The he-man turns pussycat and curls up in their lap.



I asked Mr. Muscle's PR people to comment on the new Enron memos -- and his strange silence on Bustamante's suit or Davis' petition. But Arnold was too busy shaving off his Hitlerian mustache to respond.



The Enron memos were discovered by the Foundation for Taxpayer and Consumer Rights, Los Angeles,
www.ConsumerWatchdog.org

I don't call that moderate.

Hillary is doing the same thing right now. And so did Bill when he was in office. Tell me one politician who doesn't play "the game" and stays in any significant leadership position for an extended period of time?? That's capitalism and represenative democracy for you. That's why I advocate direct democracy. It's such a better system and it gives you the voter more power over the elitist parties who control everything.

They were elected. They didn't participate in a coup d'etat to get into office.

We've seen this BS for YEARS!!!

and big business.

He is a whore of the highest order.

He could care less about the environment or woman (except to grope them.)

Even some Repubs hug trees. He doesn't care about the enviornment, he wants drilling off the coast.

I will tell you the truth about Arnie, he is a puppet... what is worst, a bad puppet, and he was used to get rid of Davis. The plan from the git go was to do what they tried last night, to gerrymader Kalifornia to the point that they cuold make it texas II... it failed.

Now we have hope of somewhat clean elections in 06... and yes I am still working on my theory of what happened last night regarding the Diebold effect, but I am starting to think it will be TURNOUT baby, and they had a higher turnout rhan they expected.

over in West Hollywood.

sign-in sheet as they looked for my name and it was just wall-to-wall Republicans (So. California too)

I say this cuz I'm one of them.

Don't assume they have the "personality of a straw," just because they don't laugh at your joke.

I worked my ass off at the polls yesterday, and I am completely exhausted today. So much can go wrong at a polling place despite everyone's best efforts, and it can be very draining for people like me, who are sticklers for everything going perfectly as people are trying to do their civic duty. I take my twice-a-year job VERY SERIOUSLY, and though I have a great sense of humor, the day has its challenging moments.

Though one tries to be pleasant and laugh at everyone's jokes (and EVERYONE IS A JOKER ON ELECTION DAY, trust me, people!!!), there are moments during the day when things are hectic and things are not going well, and you're just trying to get people processed as smoothly as possible so they can get back to their jobs, and you don't have time to laugh at everyone's jokes.

So please try to remember that, and don't assume your friendly neighborhood pollworker is a stiff because they don't have time for frivolity while they're trying to help make your voting experience as efficient as possible.

THANK YOU

sign up and become a poll worker..or a poll watcher..or as its called in some states a challanger...

i saw in my state i vote in last yr in fla a lady who was 94 who could not read or see the dang book try to be a poll worker..she was so slumped over and could barely sit ..and she could not read the books at all..a young gal who was a poll worker sat next to her and had to do her book and this old gals book as well...

i was a poll watcher for kerry..and i had to oversee this old gals stuff constantly and help her...

we need the young to sign up..and give it their all..

i was a poll watcher at large so i moved around to many precincts..and what i saw was appalling..there were do few dems as poll workers...in fla..they had one foot in the grave..and could not read any longer because of poor eyesight..and this was the norm..not isolated...

don't do it for the money or fun..it provides neither..but it is a civic duty..and if you do not participate..don't bitch...

i must say it was one of the most rewarding things i have ever done...

and as a dem poll watcher i experienced alot of good ole boy southern repub intimidation...

but i was there to protect the democratic voters rights...and all voters rights...

i did it for 2 weeks 15 hrs a day for early vote and also the general..and it was an incredible use of my time...
i did it for primaries, and other elections...and i wear that badge of civic duty proudly!!

many people who were targets of disinfranchizement i helped get to vote..

you can do this too ..and it takes very little to get trained..and i will also say this..rethuglicans own this..they do this religously..and yet until last nov very few dems do this...we need all the dems we can get for next years election..go do it..call your supervisors offices and ask when they do the classes...do it...we need to not just have rethugs out there..we need us!!


fly