Is anybody else watching CSPAN?

Did Kaine just say something about how we can all worship God together ... ?!

I am watching his acceptance speech, and he said something like, 'I am glad we have agreed that we can all move forward together with GOd, regardless of party, in a nonpartisan way' - something close to that, or meaning basically that.

WTF?!

:shrug:

I didn't get the exact words typed in time... but it was something to that effect... about us all regardless of party being able to, like, worship God (he didn't use the word 'worship', though) or 'do God's work' together or some BS.

:scared:

Look at Jimmy Carter and everything. If he believes in God than so be it. :shrug:

a big freak-out because the guy mentions God? Please, let's not get carried away with progressive purity requirements. Personally, I don't much care for all that God talk, but if a Democrat is genuinely religious, doesn't he have the right to mention it? Religion isn't the exclusive property of conservatives.

Sorry...it must have gotten lost in the mail.

In case you missed it, some think that the Republicans co-oped Religion, so it's pretty much theirs now. Just like the flag, the national anthem, the 2nd amendment, the military, and oh, soon they'll probably have Hollywood, too.

I missed the memo. I guess I can't go to church Sunday or risk going to Gitmo. :P

that god doesn't belong to anyone political party. I don't see a problem with that. He wasn't trying to convert everyone in virginia and virginia is still a pretty religous state. He is a religous guy and I expected him to mention god. I'm sure he wasn't trying to infringe on anyone's rights.

His Catholic religion is probably what made him a LIBERAL

"This question led to bigger questions. What did I want to do with my life? Most of my classmates were set on going to big cities to work at big law firms. I wasn't sure that was for me. What did I believe? Being far from home caused me to question my faith and my place in the world for the first time. What was my responsibility to others? My student life had been pretty self-absorbed, but now I walked by homeless people sleeping on the streets in the cold of winter, and it made me question my path.

I made up my mind to take a year off and go to work with Catholic missionaries in Honduras. My Catholic high school had long sponsored a mission drive to raise money for American and Spanish priests working in this poor Central American country. I had visited Honduras for a week when I was in high school and hoped I might return. Now was my chance.

I arrived in Honduras in September of 1980, and I lived with Jesuit missionaries in a little town called El Progreso until May of 1981. ....."

http://www.kaine2005.org/meet/mission.php

We can't let RW'ers take over the idea of religion and faith because they have distorted and perverted it.

edit to add - the idea of making Republicans the party of religion and Democrats the secular party is a BIG loser for our party.

There needs to be a truce on this issue or we will be in trouble.

I like Catholic social activism...

But I have to respond to your statement, "We can't let RW'ers take over the idea of religion and faith because they have distorted and perverted it." I hope theists DO manage to turn the tide, and that religious liberals are no longer silenced, and that the socialist visionary Jesus overtakes the hell-talking gay-hating Jesus SOON in this country... BUT they say YOU pervert it - and who's right? To someone who doesn't have a stake in the Christian infighting, I see the whole thing as fundamentally distorted and perverted. A distorted and perverted view of humanity and our purpose.

But, yes - a truce is fine - I will support any Democratic candidate against any GOP one - every time! I have no problem with him being religious... but I just think it's unecessarily exclusive to use language like that, especially when we are supposed to be the Big Tent, you know?

Saying the majority of Americans or Virginians are 'religious' doesn't justify it, IMHO. If he wants to talk about how his faith informed his politics in some kind of interview or whatever, fine - but I just found that bit of his otherwise excellent speech left a funny taste in my mouth, like I was being sold out. I am sure I am not the only one who feels this way. But most of us nontheists tend to be sidelined and silenced in this 'religious' nation.

Hilton can keep her tax cut is a perversion of what Jesus preached.

I don't like the in your face religious talk either but I don't think mentioning something in a speech is necessarily a big deal - but I can see how it may have surprised you.

I think a truce is necessary on this issue.

I think there is a large block of voters who actually agree more with the Democrats based on their religious values. I don't particularly care why someone agrees with us on compassion and empathy for the less fortunate, etc. However, we need them to vote with us.

I don't see anybody freaking out. I just thought other nontheist, voting, Democratic Americans might be interested in knowing this, as it sort of sent my little hairs on my neck up... as an atheist. I have the right to speak about my lack of religion and how I feel it has very little place in the public discourse, too... or do I not? I haven't read the whole Patriot Act yet. Much less the sequel.

I am THRILLED he was elected. I am just disappointed to hear the usual God-talk. And the way he made the statement implied that we are ALL theists, which, IMHO, is both inappopriate and unecessary.

I don't have a problem with a statement like that. :shrug:

If what he said was the equivalent, I'd not be bothered. I'm not particularly happy with deity-assisted politicians (or "Gott Mit Uns" beltbuckles), but it's a rather common rhetorical flourish.