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Midwest_Doc Donating Member (548 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 10:18 AM
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Kansas ID Fallout
The teaching of religion as science has the potential of keeping qualified people (students and faculty) away from Kansas colleges and universities. The ripple-effect can be enormous.
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Loonman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 10:20 AM
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1. Congrats, Kansas
You're now the laughingstock of the US. Sorry, the world.
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 11:58 AM
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18. Fence it in, ship all the ID holy rollers their and call it freepland...
I'm fine with that. Then when they realize that their kids can't get into a real university or college, they will change their mind.

"Oh, you're from Kanasa? Hmmm, you will need to take 4 years of high school science before you can be accepted, thank you".
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 10:20 AM
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2. Yeah, this is part of the big picture that Kansas seems to be missing
by taking several steps backward, they create an environment that will neither encourage people to attend college there, nor encourage people outside Kansas to hire some with a degree from KU, K-State or Washburn, for example.

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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 10:21 AM
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3. Even the Pope says it is stupid
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 10:21 AM
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4. yes... that can not be understated...
Since so many confused Kansas City, KS with Kansas City MO (assuming that all of KC resides in Kansas), I would think there should be some concern on the MO side of the border, as well...


In their vernacular, "they know not what they have done...""
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 10:25 AM
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6. Well, MO isn't too far behind KS in regard to the fundie levels there
so they probably won't mind at all.

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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 10:23 AM
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5. wonderful opportunities for bumper stickers, Kansans:
Show a usual dopey shot of Bush* and entitle: "Intelligent Design??????"

or alternately "Intelligent Design or bumbling idiot?"
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GrpCaptMandrake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 10:29 AM
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8. How about
"Intelligent Design: Mosquitoes" ?
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 10:28 AM
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7. The school board did this, not the voters.
Although, to be prefectly frank, the voters probably would have approved of something similar.

Last year they approved a disgusting, bigoted marriage amendment that not only clearly defined marriage as one man, one woman but also struck down any possibility of civil unions, even.

Disgusted me.
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gauguin57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 10:30 AM
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9. Kansas ... take a lesson from Dover, PA. They voted out the ID idiots!
The conservative school board members who favored the reading of the ID statement in science class were VOTED OUT yesterday in favor of Democrats! Woooo hoooo!

Kansas ... get it together, man.
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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 11:12 AM
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16. Kansas did throw them out a few years ago.
Then when everyone thought it was safe, and nobody was looking, they ran some more stealth candidates.

Hopefully, you Kansans will correct that mistake again.
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libertypirate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 10:38 AM
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10. How stupid does one have to be.. that is all I want to know?
Let's make it simple...

There is now a state in America where belief = science.

Here is the reality. Belief and knowledge are complimentary words, a belief can be based on the evidence of choice, knowledge cannot. You can believe that you know something, and know that you believe something. No where I have seen that you can take a belief idea and turn it into a fact idea? Unless someone would like to enlighten me? Evolving a belief into knowledge takes something that doesn't exist a pattern of complimentary evidence. Not just the evidence that proves but also the evidence that dissproves.

Now for the reality police, I love the reality police...

How can the flu change every year without evolving? You can't have your cake and eat it to; and you can not dissmiss knowledge that disproves your beliefs just because it doesn't fit the pattern you frame. Since the flu vacine has to be modified every year to map it ability to change into a bug that is completely different.

If you want to understand how it is sold to the american people just think of the 3-D republican political pattern.

Deny -- We don't torture in America
Discredit -- It's Bill Clinton and the democrats fault
Distract -- Election 2005

Since the effort to prove a belief has started with this pattern in all likely hood it's based on a load of horseshit, but that is my belief and you can put that in your pipe!
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 10:44 AM
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11. Bigger problem is that it will keep qualified Kansans away from any school
Every single student and faculty will be given extra scutiny at any mid to top flight university or college. A good working knowledge of evolution is one of the basics of any science curriculum, and if these people don't have it, they're not going to get excepted.

Sadly though, these people will be regulated to bible colleges and places like Bob Jones U.

The first time this came up, it was funny, but now it is really starting to get serious. If I lived in Kansas with children in school, I would move my family to someplace more enlightened in order that my children receive an education that will prepare them for college, not exclude them from it.
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Kazak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 10:46 AM
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12. I'm sorry, we couldn't hire you...you were educated in Kansas.
:crazy:
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Loonman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 10:47 AM
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13. "Hi, I'm from Kansas, how are ya?"
"Kansas? Sorry, guy. I'll speak really slowly for you"
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Fla Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 10:48 AM
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14. My idea if ID is some kid with an ant farm. Or how about the SIMS
games...isn't anyone playing with that similar to ID. Are the SIMS people wondering who created them and are directing their lives? I mean intelligence ( as in a creator) is in the eye of the beholder. How do we not know we are not one big high school science project in some alternate universe? A bunch of kids (probably nothing like us) playing around creating us, directing our lives, deciding what our futures will be. Who says intelligent design has to be a divine being? It could be some alien (to us)creature outside our universe and we are just its amusement. ID is such a loony concept you can only come up with loony scenarios.

:crazy:
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kansasblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 11:01 AM
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15. The state slogan has been "Kansas, as big as you think"
but the locals frustrated with the government reworked it and made one that looks just like that and says

"Kansas, as bigoted as you think'

Hey! We have a female Democratic Governor.

What does California have, or New York?


Current Bush approval: 43% to disapprove 54%


Can we get some love here?



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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 11:29 AM
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17. i moved from kansas when my son was 13..i couldn't take the
Edited on Wed Nov-09-05 11:30 AM by flyarm
stepford wives all around me...

since we had neighborhood swimming pools/clubs..i wore a bikini ...and a petition was sent around my neighborhood to ban bikini's at the poll club..yes we paid to belong to the pool club...

they did not come to my home with the petition...i was told about it by others...guess the fucking fundie women didn't like their hubands getting eyes strain staring at me at the pool!!

ohh and yes these same fundie women ..stepford wives i called them...they would preach the good preach...and they ran all their fundie church schools...but since my husband traveled extensively for his business.i went out to eat alot with friends..well i caught every man in my neighborhood out in many different places screwing around with sweet little dollies!!

one neighbor i caught with a sweet young thing..the night his wife gave birth to their 3rd child...ohh yes they tried to hide from me ..but i would go right up to their table..and ask how their "darling" wife was!!

the hypocracy in kansas gagged me....

i finally told my hubby..i am moving to calif...i packed and we moved ..and i have never missed kansas..

i went back 2 years ago,.i had not gone there in 13 yrs since i moved

and i can say..nothing has changed...and i got deja vue...and couldn't get out of there fast enough!!
and i lived on state line(ks/mo border)..not in the boonies...

but it is all the boonies to me!!

fly
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