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trumad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 10:28 AM
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On January 16th 1993 I was married in Dallas, Texas.
On November 9th 2005, if I have sex with another woman, I will not be commtting Adultry. Why--- because the new law in Texas has voided my marriage.

So---- any DU gals out there want to go for a steak dinner? ;-)
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Darkhawk32 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 10:30 AM
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1. ???????????
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Midlodemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 10:30 AM
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2. Haven't been keeping up sorry to say.
I was too focused on the VA race.

Which law are you talking about?
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trumad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 10:31 AM
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3. Here...
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efhmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 10:31 AM
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4. I was trying to explain this glitch in the new amendment to Du last
night. Can you post the written materials and point this "error" out? I think this will be challenged. Or at least I hope so.
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 10:35 AM
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Here's the official wording.
Article I, Texas Constitution, (The Bill of Rights) is amended by adding Section 32 to read as follows:

(a) MARRIAGE in this state shall consist only of the union of one man and one woman.

(b) THIS STATE or a political subdivision of THIS STATE MAY NOT CREATE OR RECOGNIZE ANY LEGAL STATUS IDENTICAL or similar to MARRIAGE.


If they had added "except as defined in (a)" to the end of part B, it would have done what they wanted it to do.

As it reads, though, it defines marriage in a, then says Texas does not create or recognize any legal status IDENTICAL to marriage. Identical to marriage is the same thing AS marriage.

Don't read it with their INTENT in mind, we all know what their intent was.

Do a literal reading of it, first a, then b and you'll see what trumad is talking about.

I'd lay down good money this will be challenged in court within a year or less.

And trumad, I was married in Texas, too, nearly 15 years ago. I apparently woke up this morning single. How YOU doin'? ;-)
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 10:35 AM
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5. So Texas essentially anulled you all?
Does this mean you got your virginity back too? :evilgrin:

(of course Texas women "re-flower" all the time.... Just a miracle, I tell you. A MIRACLE!) :eyes:
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seejanerun Donating Member (71 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 10:35 AM
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6. She is referring to the bizarre language of the new Texas ban
on gay marriage. Here is the language she is referring to:

"This state or a political subdivision of this state may not create or recognize any legal status identical or similar to marriage."

I agree with trumad that Texas no longer recognizes our marriages. I can't believe that our elected officials were so careless (incompetent) that they came up with that formulation, but they did.
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 10:37 AM
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7. ALL they had to do was add five simple words to part b:
"except as defined in (a)."

That's it. If they had added those words, it would have done what they wanted it to do.

They can't even word their bigotry correctly. Why am I surprised?
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seejanerun Donating Member (71 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 10:39 AM
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8. Something is wrong when this is the level of legislator we get.
Pete Sessions, John Cornyn...
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 10:42 AM
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9. Agreed.
This was authored by state Senator Todd Staples (R-Lufkin).

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seejanerun Donating Member (71 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 10:48 AM
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10. Can we make an aggie joke out of it?
Sorry to all you A&M grads who got a better education there than Todd Staples did.
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 11:04 AM
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14. I just knew someone would find that out about him.
I went there. Sigh.

I'm happy to say I have far better writing and reading comprehension skills than Staples, that idjit.

But yes, I'd say MAJOR Aggie jokes are in order.

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hobbit709 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 10:58 AM
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12. Semantics and the legislature
here in Tx don't mix. Back in the early 70's, the legislature passed a new indecent exposure law aimed at the skinny dippers. It defined it as showing your genitals. Boy were they surprised when it was pointed out that A: breasts are NOT genitals and B: unless a woman is giving you a wide open crotch shot, she's not exposing her genitals either.
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 11:06 AM
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16. LOL!
That reminds me of a story Molly Ivins likes to tell that I'll probably butcher. Back when they were involved in all the Lawrence v. Texas mess (sodomy laws on the books), there was a mild scuffle on the floor of the statehouse and one republican senator went to grab another republican senator and a Democratic senator yelled out that they should cease because "ACCORDING TO THE LAWS OF TEXAS A PRICK CANNOT TOUCH AN ASSHOLE!"

Classic. I'll tell you one thing Democrats in this state have: a sense of humor. We have to.
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GrpCaptMandrake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 10:52 AM
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11. While this is an interesting legal exercise
Edited on Wed Nov-09-05 10:54 AM by GrpCaptMandrake
There's a very real conflict in the language about "or recognize." It would appear that Texas has deliberately thrown down a gauntlet against the "Full Faith and Credit" clause of the COTUSA in the fear that they might have to recognize civil unions from Vermont and gay marriages from Massachusetts.

Should be interesting.

On edit: "or" not "nor"
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 11:01 AM
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13. malloy was telling all abou tthis last night....what baffooons you have
in tx.....and about that steak dinner....ahhh shucks...i am in nj..marriage is still in tact here....damn...

are you cute..i could arrange a move to tx!!

lmao....

fly:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

ps..you better get that steak dinner quick before the fundies screw that up on you too!
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DUgosh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 11:04 AM
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15. I'll have a salad with you, but first
I just e mailed my pregnant daughter in Austin to walk ( not run ) to the nearest food stamp line, and sign up for free day care.
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Geoff R. Casavant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 11:41 AM
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17. Not just marriages from Texas
The Amendment also says we can't recognize marriages even if they were legal in the state where they were celebrated.

So when I got married in CA in 1997, then moved back to Texas, the woman I love who used to be my wife had no idea what would eventually happen.
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