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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 09:50 AM
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BBV: Ga Tech Public Forum on Thursday, Oct. 16
From the convener and moderator:

* * * Please Forward * * *


Georgia Tech's Internet and Public Policy Project (IP3) presents:

================================
DEMOCRACY AND TECHNOLOGY:
ELECTRONIC VOTING and GEORGIA

Thursday, October 16
3-4:30 PM
Clary Theater (in Student Success Center)
Georgia Tech
www.IP3.gatech.edu
================================

When the Georgia state government adopted electronic voting, it
established itself as a leader in the technology of democracy. Recently,
however, questions have emerged over the Diebold voting system used
across the state.

Last summer, university researchers published a report claiming that
the voting system is "far below even the most minimal security
standards applicable in other contexts." A later Diebold analysis claimed
to refute those criticisms, while a report by SAIC drew mixed conclusions.
The state of Maryland recently chose to adopt the Diebold technology.

This event offers computer scientists, public officials, and industry
representatives an opportunity to present their analyses to the
Georgia public. It offers a neutral, academic setting for a fact-based
discussion of what has become a contentious issue.


Speakers
=======
** Prof. Dan Wallach, Rice University Dept. of Computer Science, co-author
of "Analysis of an Electronic Voting System" (Johns Hopkins Information
Security Institute Technical Report TR-2003-19)

** Prof. Douglas Jones, Examiners for Electronic Voting Systems, state of Iowa,
and faculty member of the Iowa State University Dept. of Computer Science.

** Moderator: Prof. Hans Klein, Director of IP3 and Associate Professor
of Public Policy, Georgia Institute of Technology.

(Speakers have also been invited from Diebold Election Systems and from
the Georgia state government.)


Additional Information
=================
"Analysis of an Electronic Voting System" (Johns Hopkins Information Security
Institute Technical Report TR-2003-19) by Tadayoshi Kohno, Adam Stubblefield,
Avi Rubin, and Dan Wallach. July 23, 2003. http://avirubin.com/vote/

Diebold "Technical Analysis" of Johns Hopkins Report.
http://www2.diebold.com/checksandbalances.pdf

SAIC Analysis of Diebold AccuVote-TS voting system.
http://www.dbm.maryland.gov/dbm_search/technology/toc_voting_system_report/votingsystemreportfinal.pdf

Doug Jones Web Site on Voting and Elections
http://www.cs.uiowa.edu/~jones/voting/

John Schwartz, The New York Times, "Computer Voting is Open to Easy
Fraud, Experts Say," July 24, 2003, page A12.


About IP3
=======
The Internet and Public Policy Project (IP3) provides a framework to
coordinate
Internet policy-related research in the School of Public Policy at Georgia
Tech.
It promotes dialogue between researchers and policy makers within and outside
the Institute, offering forums for debate and discussion.

This event is part of the IP3 fall speaker series. Future events include:
* Re-thinking the Patriot Act: How to Balance Liberty and Security (November)

For more information (including directions to Clary Theater) see:
www.IP3.gatech.edu


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hedda_foil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 09:54 AM
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1. It will be interesting to see if anyone from Diebold or Cox's office shows
Given the high-powered panel, I have a feeling that the powers that be will avoid this forum like the plague, then pooh-pooh it when the reporters call for their comments.
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DEMActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 09:54 AM
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2. I'll be there with bells on
I think this is going to be a very "historic" event. By that I mean that we will see a sea change in attitude in Georgia after this meeting. I think many are beginning to realize this is a real problem and it MUST be addressed in a very big, very public way.

We should note that Dr. Britian Williams and the elections officials in Georgia have refused to show up. Running scared, ya think?

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creativelcro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 10:23 AM
Response to Reply #2
7. any web streaming
Edited on Tue Oct-14-03 10:24 AM by creativelcro
of the event ?? Or bloggers who can share with us this historic event as it happens ? -C

PS> OOps. just saw a posted link...
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-03 04:35 PM
Response to Reply #2
23. good job demA, I am proud of you and applaud your efforts!!!!!
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 10:10 AM
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3. Can anyone video the meeting?
Now theres a blockbuster moment***
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Gin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 10:13 AM
Response to Reply #3
4. too bad cspan won't be there
gin
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 10:17 AM
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5. Live broadcast of the event
on WREK, 91.1FM in the Atlanta area

AND on the internet (thanks to DMR for diggint this up):

http://www.wrek.org/wreknet.shtml


It's possible it'll be videographed by GA Tech students.

Eloriel
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DEMActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 10:21 AM
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6. Videotaping...
Edited on Tue Oct-14-03 10:27 AM by DEMActivist
GA Tech students will tape it for a fee of $150.00. If anyone wants to kick in a few bucks to pay the cost, PM me or Eloriel. We don't have a way to do any fundraising, but we'll figure something out.

Perhaps we can send donations straight to the GA Tech folks.....working on that now.
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Gin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 10:34 AM
Response to Reply #6
8. The GA election results defy reality...fraud has to have been
in play.
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 11:02 AM
Response to Reply #8
9. Ya think?
Word is Zogby had a conniption fit over those numbers.

Eloriel
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 04:39 PM
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10. I'd like a few more people to see this
:kick:

Eloriel
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BevHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 05:05 PM
Response to Reply #10
11. Kick for ramping up the volume in Georgia
Eloriel, I notice the Georgia Activist list links to the half-dead .org site -- what should people do to join the Georgia activist list?

Bev
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-03 12:48 AM
Response to Reply #11
18. It's a closed list -- so PM me with your email address
I'll send you an invitation from Topica, which you have to respond to however.

I had invited you on MGKrebs' thread. It's a small list, not terribly active at the moment -- 3 to 5 or so emails a day.

Eloriel
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 06:50 PM
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12. Well this is shaping up into quite a week isn't it.....
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ParanoidPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 06:59 PM
Response to Reply #12
13. This is the BEST birthday I've ever had!
:toast: And I shall celibrate with a nice Merlot a bit later! :evilgrin: ;-)
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DEMActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 07:57 PM
Response to Reply #13
14. Wow, Pat!!!!
Is it really your birthday????

Happy birthday to you, Happy birthday to you, Happy birthday to Paaat, Happy birthday to you! :party:

(you are SOOOO lucky you didn't have to hear me SING that!)

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RedEagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 10:45 PM
Response to Reply #14
15. A Birthday Kick?!
Hey Pat- enjoy the Merlot!

(I won't sing either. Only use for that is to get people out of bed in the morning- to get me to shut up);)


:toast: :yourock: :toast:
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-03 04:39 PM
Response to Reply #14
24. and many moooooooooooooooore
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creativelcro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 10:50 PM
Response to Reply #13
16. a little something...


:)
-C
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BevHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 10:55 PM
Response to Reply #13
17. I'm tipping a toast with my own merlot, Pat
Congrats, and keep on driving everyone crazy.
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-03 12:50 AM
Response to Reply #13
19. Happy Birthday, fella!
And many happy returns.

:loveya:

Eloriel
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ParanoidPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-03 04:09 PM
Response to Reply #19
22. Thanks all!
:toast: :grouphug:

Note to Bev; My wife's response to your post was, "You see, It's NOT just ME!" :evilfrown: :spank: LOL!

:kick:
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dusty64 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-03 07:01 AM
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20. Kick.
x
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-03 03:57 PM
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21. A kick for tomorrow
Those who can't be there can listen in.

Eloriel
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MGKrebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-03 04:49 PM
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25. Sure wish I could be there.
Unlikely due to work, but I am still holding on to a small thread of hope.
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-03 07:33 PM
Response to Reply #25
26. I'm hoping you can make it -- be sure to go to the website
and print directions for getting there if you can make it.

Eloriel
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dmr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-03 10:47 AM
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27. KICK
Wish I could be there!
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-03 01:42 PM
Response to Reply #27
28. almost time!
:kick:
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shirlden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-03 01:49 PM
Response to Reply #28
29. I sure do a lot of kicking
but then someone has to do it.........


:kick:
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hedda_foil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-03 02:02 PM
Response to Reply #29
30. And another kick because it's starting NOW
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dmr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-03 02:10 PM
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31. You can listen live
http://www.wrek.org/wreknet.shtml

There is a lot of static - but worth suffering through! :)
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hedda_foil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-03 02:37 PM
Response to Reply #31
32. Who is on right now?
He's doing a great job but I missed who it was.
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-03 02:41 PM
Response to Reply #32
33. i think one of the Johns Hopkins researchers

it is kinda hard to hear.......... (esp. with all the HOT Senate action going on in the background)

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creativelcro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-03 02:47 PM
Response to Reply #33
34. Am I hallucinating ?
I'm at http://www.wrek.org/wreknet.shtml, but I hear only music...
-C
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never cry wolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-03 02:48 PM
Response to Reply #34
35. Yeah, me too.......n/t
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-03 02:49 PM
Response to Reply #35
37. me too!
I was listening when it changed to music.
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dmr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-03 02:48 PM
Response to Reply #33
36. What happened to the meeting?
I went into the kitchen for a minute and now there's music. Damn, it was good, too.

I've got C-Span on in the background too while doing a project for Eloriel. Does anyone know if they're going to vote for Schumer's ammendment for a special investigator?
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creativelcro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-03 02:50 PM
Response to Reply #36
38. darn
Diebold! :) -C
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ramblin_dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-03 02:51 PM
Response to Reply #36
39. The audio was cut off so they switched to music
Not sure if this means the archive will be bad or not.
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creativelcro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-03 02:52 PM
Response to Reply #39
40. we'll have to rely
on the people who were at the meeting... I hope Doug lewis got grilled!! -C
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-03 02:53 PM
Response to Reply #36
41. music (and sucky music at that!) as for Schumer

pretty sure that sack-o-shit Ted Stevens declared it not germane to the bill.

everything the Dems are putting up is being shut down... but they are getting some FIERCE face time....



testing some BBV activism graphic/slogan ideas. discussion here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=542308
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dmr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-03 02:59 PM
Response to Reply #41
43. Well, Schumer told them this won't go away
so they best face it now. He called the current 'investigation', as it's going, a fraud.

I enjoyed listening to Schumer, and you could tell he was too because what he was saying was so incredible, it would be funny if it weren't so serious and life-threatening to our agents and foreign nationals.

I'm enjoying your graphics.
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-03 02:54 PM
Response to Reply #36
42. Pugs killed it (Schumer's amendment that is)
Edited on Thu Oct-16-03 02:59 PM by librechik
n/t
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dmr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-03 03:01 PM
Response to Reply #42
45. Well, so much for bringing it to the people
Edited on Thu Oct-16-03 03:02 PM by dmr
as these meetings were supposedly intended - at least that's what the SOS office told me when I called a few weeks ago.

<sigh>

EDIT: LOL, since your edit - then my post doesn't apply to your post anymore! LOL
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Loyal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-03 03:00 PM
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44. I don't buy into the BBV deal
nt
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-03 03:01 PM
Response to Reply #44
46. "n/t" - thanks for the informed, well-reasoned opinion n/t
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mountebank Donating Member (755 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-03 03:11 PM
Response to Reply #44
47. Trenchant analysis...
n/t
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ParanoidPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-03 03:13 PM
Response to Reply #44
48. That's all right, you don't count anyway......
.....as far as Diebold is concerned! :evilgrin:
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-03 03:15 PM
Response to Reply #44
49. Well that is a mighty informed response there. Then whatcha doing on this
thread.
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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-03 06:55 PM
Response to Reply #44
52. what 'deal' is that?
peace
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Loyal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-03 09:30 PM
Response to Reply #44
54. Well...
what it means is that I think Chuck Hagel won in 96. While I do acknowledge that there is voter fraud(Florida 2000, definitely), I am a bit wary of people who claim that every election is stolen, naturally. I don't find it weird when Chuck Hagel wins statewide in Nebraska, a state that has not gone in the Democratic column for president in almost 40 years.
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-03 09:37 PM
Response to Reply #54
55. "I am a bit wary of people who claim that every election is stolen"
you have NO idea about BBV activism. that is NOT what's its about.

you are just ignorant. or a jerk. and that's sad. but hardly rare. educate yourself. or, go away.
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Loyal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-03 11:47 PM
Response to Reply #55
56. I DON'T HAVE TO GO AWAY
I'm a member just like you. Take your pompous attitude, and shove it.
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Loyal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-03 11:47 PM
Response to Reply #55
57. It's so nice to resort to personal attacks
instead of debating fact. Maybe that's why you do it all the time.

:puke: :puke:
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-03 11:51 PM
Response to Reply #57
58. yawn
my only point was:

WHO in the BBV movement ever claimed that "EVERY ELECTION IS STOLEN" - answer: No One.

did YOU have a point?
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ParanoidPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-03 12:01 AM
Response to Reply #57
60. FACT: No one from the BBV crew has ever said.....
...."Every election is stolen". Don't even try to go there!
If I even thought you were worth the effort I'd post the links to every BBV thread that's still on the DU server for you to try to make that case.

You're not, so I won't. So what "facts" do you want to debate? :shrug:
So far all we've seen from you is n/t. :evilgrin:
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BevHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-03 12:08 AM
Response to Reply #60
61. Hey Paranoid Pat, someone needs your expertise on another thread
the "get to know Bev, Paranoid Pat, etc" thread -- look for post by "Harmony Guy" -- he has an election coming up TUESDAY and wants your suggestions for things to look for when he goes to the polls, with Diebold optical scan machines.

See is you can help -- the "watch list" is something we need to get started on very soon.

Thanks!

Bev
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ParanoidPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-03 01:35 AM
Response to Reply #61
63. Been there, done that.....
.....researching Canadian Election laws! :evilgrin:
I'll fill HG in tomorrow! Thanks Bev.
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BevHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-03 11:56 PM
Response to Reply #54
59. Hi, Loyal, I'll be nice
Edited on Thu Oct-16-03 11:57 PM by BevHarris
But I'll also suggest that you read Chapter 6, to get the facts and a little more perspective on Hagel.

It's actually quite a short chapter. This will take you directly to it: http://blackboxvoting.com/bbv/bbv_chapter-6.pdf

And no one here says every election is stolen, but you should definitely get the FACTS by skimming Chapter 2, 100 documented cases of miscounted elections: http://blackboxvoting.com/bbv/bbv_chapter-2.pdf

And for more info, go to http://www.blackboxvoting.com and check out these:

Chapter 1: What the founding fathers had in mind
Chapter 3: Some solutions
Chapter 4: Can these things be rigged?
Chapter 5: Certification system is broken
Chapter 7: First ever look inside a secret voting system
Chapter 8: Who's minding the store
Chapter 9: Rob Georgia

For a better idea of the anomalies we are facing RIGHT NOW go to the reports at http://www.BBVreport.org

Forgive those who are impatient with you; many have watched the information I'm sending you to unfold over many months, and several helped it unfold.

Thanks for your input; start anywhere, and when you are ready, we're ready to welcome you into black box activism!

Bev Harris
Black Box Voting
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-03 04:54 PM
Response to Original message
50. Kickin for the lowdown
Anyone back from the forum, can give us a watup
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-03 06:52 PM
Response to Original message
51. Another kick in hopes someone who was there can...
tell us what happened!
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dmr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-03 07:11 PM
Response to Reply #51
53. Kick from me too
Just sent them an email asking them to post - but maybe they're still going strong! That would be good news, since it was cut short last time.
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JohnGideon Donating Member (492 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-03 01:25 AM
Response to Reply #51
62. Another Kick Here
Can't stay up all night to find out what happened.
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