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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 04:12 PM
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Chumpy aka * intentionally bankrupting this country. How else
Edited on Wed Nov-09-05 04:19 PM by texpatriot2004
can you explain the fact that he has borrowed more than all 42 presidents before him? I think that it is obvious by his actions that he is actively working to bankrupt America. How else can you explain going through the surplus that was there when he took office and running up more debt than all the 42 presidents before he became the resident?
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 04:20 PM
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1. The idea that these people are benign has to go. n.t
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Paranoid Pessimist Donating Member (432 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-05 12:52 AM
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18. This is a great thread. Bankrupting the government is indeed
. . . part and parcel of the plan. Good ol' Grover Norquist said he wanted to starve government down to where he could drown it in the bathtub. Of course, none of them want to reduce the parts of the government that are in the weapons or oil business. Just anything remotely resembling human services which, to them, is communism. Bush's huge deficits are utterly and totally deliberate.
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unblock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 04:23 PM
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2. and "because he'll never raise taxes" is now off the table
because the TAX HIKE is now ON the table.
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melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 04:27 PM
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3. Precisely. Clinton made us too strong. Bush was sent in to kill us.
That's his expertise - destroying strong companies.

I also wonder if there isn't something to the theory that they "cast" these faux-Presidents as stereotypical "Americans" with all the usual baggage, to put us in a bad light. Witness, Reagan and now Shrubby the retarded cowboys.

Which brings around the old question, for whom is it good?
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-05 12:35 AM
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15. It's good for the MultiNational CORPORATIONS, that's who.
The "new world order" is gonna be FEUDALISM;
only CORPORATIONS will play the role of Kings,
and 'national borders' will be replaced by 'market share'.

Being a serf will continue to suck ass, however.
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melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-05 01:30 AM
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21. yup n/t
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Rick Myers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 04:28 PM
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4. He and the rest of the BFEE are shifting the US Treasury
to their friends and allies! This administration is a DOMESTIC ENEMY OF THE UNITED STATES!
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 04:32 PM
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5. They are emptying our treasury and feeding it to their corporate backers
it couldn't be more blatant

the same people that are still stuffing OUR money down Halliburton's throat are telling us, the people for whom they should be working, that we need to cut assistance for FOOD and SHELTER to the poor.

Our military, our infrastructure, our alliances and our place in the world, our mood at home, everythying, all of it, even our Constitution and our governmental structure, trashed by these goons.

Its by design and the US won't only be broke, on the verge of bankruptcy after we rid ourselves of these traitors, all of our assets will be trashed as well. We will be weaker and more vulnerable, and broken. Not that we can't recover, but damn, what was it all for?

In the meantime, poor people - put back that loaf of bread, elderly - do without some of those perscriptions this month - Dick Cheney's war-profiteering machine needs to be fed.
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 04:45 PM
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6. And idolatrous throngs, in number to large to comprehend, chant: four
more years, four more years, much of the MSM still defend him and feed us propaganda, and the Congress will give him almost everything he wants and confirm his every nomination.
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-05 12:30 AM
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14. It is blatant. n.t
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-05 12:40 AM
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16. And don't forget: we've ALIENATED every nation...
...who could help us when it all finally comes crashing down.

Right after 9/11, we had a record-breaking amount of
GOODWILL from every nation that could be polled.

4 years later, we are feared, hated and despised
like no nation in history.

NO ONE is gonna come to our rescue;
B*shCabal™ has made certain of that.
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 05:46 PM
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7. You're absolutely right on this one.
I've maintained for years that this is a very important part of the plan.
The corporations are leaving. That is just a fact. They are still laying off thousands at the same time they are making record profits. In addition, they are not spending any of these windfalls on updating or creating new facilities, they are just hoarding cash while they move their management to tax-free countries. Nearly all of the capital improvements are being made in other countries, most notably China, Russia, and to a lesser degree, India.
The American Middle Class has traditionally been the engine that build and grow these behemoths, but now they see a bigger, better market, the emerging consumer classes in the aforementioned countries. Their only problem is that the amerikan version still exists and the people in these countries envision themselves in the same position in a few years (India is already causing trouble, demanding things like living wages, benefits, safe environment, etc.). This cannot be allowed to happen. Once the sheeple get a sense of entitlement they start to hurt the bottom line.
So, he must bankrupt the treasury while simultaneously relegating the sheeple to indentured servitude, and take away their right to dissent.
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 10:12 PM
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13. Interesting point about the corporations leaving even though
they are making record profits.
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 05:48 PM
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8. Gotta break a few eggs to make an omelette.
What they want to rebuild the country as, is the scary question.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 06:29 PM
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9. I agree 100%.
It's the way of the Mob since time immemorial: Get ownership, then run it into the ground after siphoning off all the riches. Kill whoever gets in your way.
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 08:05 PM
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10. kick nm
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Lindsay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 08:15 PM
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11. I've been thinking about this lately.
It's odd, isn't it? PNAC was/is all for war to project American power - but what power will there be when the country is bankrupt? The only scenario I can see is that they believe the rich and the over-taxed poor will keep funding the military, who can always be used to keep the poor in line.

Third world, here we come, and the skids are greased.
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 10:06 PM
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12. I doubt they worry about money for the military, they will have it.
I also wonder if it matters because they plan to move to Saudi or work out some agreement between them and Israel so that they can continue to live well.

Or maybe they plan to blow the whole thing up...

I don't know but I do think Chumpy and Cheeny are deliberately bankrupting this country.
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WHAT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-05 01:56 AM
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26. What doesn't kill you makes you stronger?...
(I've been thinking about this, too)

I think there's an underlying spite in the "homily" above but I think it's an ernest philosophical justification, also. To evoke this excuse or justification plays into a certain type of pathos of survivor quality...maybe similar to killing someone and blaming them for dying. Visions of Katrina evoke this connection in my mind.

I do wonder about what motivates people psychology and when I think of deliberate handicapping or scorning I think there is more at play than the profit motive. My guess is that it's a medley of philosophical "truths" that allow these few people to both deserve and earn a special position.

Actually, I think it's all bunk but I'm trying to understand how they think. I don't personally think a society has to be ordered along the lines of sheeple, materialistic...or whatever pejorative (but maybe that's why politics has a bad name). I am tending to think that maybe structuring of social institutions, communications, infrastructure (do people meet at the well daily or at the big screen seasonally?). All these things force a pattern of interaction.

I've been thinking about this lately, too...

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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-05 12:47 AM
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17. All money belongs to * - Resistance is futile.
Looting the national treasury is hard work! Shheeeez.
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-05 12:53 AM
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19. Starve the beast until it's small enough to drown in a bathtub.
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-05 12:58 AM
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20. He intentionally bankrupted Texas.
Ann Richards left that pissant a healthy surplus and he gave it away to the same people he gave Clinton's surplus too, ie, the wealthy and his campaign contributors. And he laughed about it on his way to stealing the Presidential election. When asked about the impending Texas deficit, he said he hoped he wouldn't be here to deal with it, he was seeking a higher office. Translation=he was fixing to screw the rest of Americans like he screwed Texans!
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-05 04:16 PM
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29. You are right, I live in Texas and * left our state in a shambles nm
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-05 01:32 AM
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22. Of course
Edited on Thu Nov-10-05 01:32 AM by FreedomAngel82
And why else would he be the only president to give tax cuts to the wealthy during a time of war? And not give our military the proper funding and supplies they need? He's trying to do so for sure. He's a corporate whore pure and simple. If a person is so poor he/she would make the choice to join the military. Thus no draft. :(
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-05 01:43 AM
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23. Hard to realize that it really is the policy of our Whitehouse
Not my country for a minute here.
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-05 01:44 AM
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24. starving the beast
Its been the Republican agenda to bankrupt the country and then cut all social programs to "pay for it". All the while never cutting military.

Read Krugman, hes been talking about this for a while now.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-05 01:47 AM
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25. this is an ongoing, multigenerational class war
and the middle and working classes are getting our asses kicked.
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-05 01:58 AM
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27. Pres. Eisenhower tried to warn us
and the librulmeadya calls us :tinfoilhat:
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-05 04:14 PM
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28. Me proudly wearing tinfoil hat
:tinfoilhat:
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-05 04:17 PM
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30. Trade deficit too nm
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-05 04:22 PM
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31. You assume rational action
based on some consistent, preconceived plan.

I think that may be giving them too much credit. More likely, its just a bunch of ad hoc things that ideologues do without looking at the consequences as a whole.

We're not talking brilliant policy analysts here. If any of them has ever heard of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_K._Merton>Robert K. Merton they sure don't show any evidence of it.

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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-05 07:55 PM
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32. I disagree. There is too much evidence for this to be haphazard
or coincidence.
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-05 08:05 PM
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33. Starve a dog and they''ll follow you anywhere.
n/t
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