OMG!! Is the US Military using "New" Weapons involving Gamma or Microwave?

Stay with me here DUers....maybe I've got my tinfoil hat :tinfoilhat: on too tight, but I was just listening to the Randi Rhodes show here on the West Coast (tape delayed) and she had some expert knowledgeable about Napalm, MK-77 and White Phosphorus and its chemical composition and its effects and uses. One thing that was consistently coming across in his description and discussion of these materials and their effects is that they DO BURN CLOTHES when used.

Randi kept then wanting to explain and understand how it is that in the Italian documentary of Fallujah that the bodies from the Massacre on Fallujah that the bodies in it (and ones posted on the web) show "leathery" burned bodies/corpes that have in tact clothes that WERE NOT BURNED?

I literally started shaking as I heard this...Randi keeps thinking its a new mix of White Phosphorus or other Chemical weapon....but it suddenely came to me in an OMG moment that they are using weaponry that is essentially using Gamma Rays, Microwaves (or something like that) to "cook" people....thus the clothes are in tact and they are BEING COOKED FROM THE INSIDE OUT!

:wow:

What do you all think? Anyone? :tinfoilhat:

On Edit: To prove I'm not crazy, ever burn your microwave popcorn, but the "bag" is fine and still in tact? :eyes: And to test this theory further, what if you took a piece of raw meat, wrapped it in cloth and stuck it in the microwave? Do you think your material will burn or cook if you microwave the heck out of that piece of meat? :eyes:

but I still have enough questions that I am waiting before I totally freak out about it.

We are so screwed.

I have little doubt such weapons have been built. Nor do I doubt that someone would use them.

In short: It wouldn't surprise me.

It seems possible.

so I can't vouch for the accuracy of the waves being used as weapons.

My husband and I are hams (amateur radio operators) so I do know that very powerful RF "Radio Frequency" waves can burn people badly if they are close to the antenna. (That's why TV and radio antenna towers have fences around them.)

I hate to say this, but it wouldn't surprise me.

that microwaves cook from the inside out.

victims tearing clothes off when hit with this shit?
...using white phosphorus on human beings is despicable behavior in any event.


on the other hand, CIA has 'black ops' fund. we have no idea what the money is used for -- they don't even have to tell Congress -- and i think you can bet there are some absolutely appalling weapons in use out there.

burn to the bone...its like lighter fluid...you need to add the match for the incendiary effect.

This expert on chemical weapons and Napalm was very specific that the WP would have burned the clothes...thus the conclusion he came to was that the effect of these corpses and their condition WAS NOT CAUSED by White Phosphorus. Thus, Randi kept asking: "Well, what's causing this effect of the bodies being burned to the bone and the clothes intact?"

Thus my hypothesis about Microwave or Gamma ray technology....something new in terms of hi-tech weaponry we don't know about....yet...

Could that do it?

:shrug:

Such microwaves would cause rupture.

And the "burns skin but not clothes" effect is because it "burns" via a reaction with water.

night after watching the Italian documentary and listening to the testimony of the various people. But meanwhile, listening to this expert on Randi Rhodes today made me then wonder. I also called my father who is a now retired hi-level official in gov't whose expertise is "detonation devices" (I'll leave it at that) and he said those effects WERE NOT from White Phosphorus....

It's in air that it burns. It reacts with water to create an acid. The first aid involves wet compresses of water and a base like baking soda. Look it up, interesting article.

on them....It needs to be "neutralized" as an acid...but the expert kept talking about how it alone doesn't have a burning effect per se, that it needs to have "flame" or something (thus the MK-77 aka Napalm aka Jet Fuel mixed w/ styrofoam) to catch fire with it...

He was describing how the WP would be targeted over an area to create a cloud....but he kept saying that if it was on a persons body, that it would have burned through the clothes too....In any event, I'm confused, and thus I'm asking the burning questions...(no pun intended)...

Video: Fallujah - The Hidden Massacre


Italian TV Report Details Use Of Napalm On Iraqi Civilians

Watch The Video Here
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article10907.htm

and here:

http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=05/11/08/1516227

Weapons. So, I guess Bushler&Co. can melt as many humans as they want using this type of weapon... a great alternative to using a banned "chemical weapon" since it effectively does the same thing, or worse.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_phosphorus_incendiary

(snip)

"It was insinuated in the documentary that WP is a "chemical weapon". This is wrong if it is used as intended; however, detonating a WP shell in a confined area (like firing into a building) will indeed cause an effect comparable to the use of lung agent poison gases for those inside who do not or can not flee, with the additional consequence of setting the room(s) alight. Death will occur from lung edema, phosphoric acid poisoning or the resulting shock, or burns. Most victims would die from the second cause, as in a confined area it is hardly avoidable to inhale a considerable quantity of smoke, which will immediately dissolve to form concentrated phosphoric acid in the lungs and airways, leading to a condition similar to phosgene poisoning, but (due to the higher concentration of phosphorous oxide smoke) with a more rapid onset, death from shock or lung edema occurring after a short time."

conspiracy sci-fi theorist or do you think that this is what they might be using? I just can't imagine that if they were indeed using something like this that it would fall under "approved" weaponry in civilian areas....then again, the US military under Rumsfeld declared the entire city of Fallujah a "military target".....they coulndn't help that civilians got in the way... :puke:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/military/story/0,11816,917273,00.html


US microwave bomb to make debut in most hi-tech battlefield campaign ever

Claims that smart device wipes out circuitry of tanks and missile systems without harming troops

Stuart Millar
Wednesday March 19, 2003
The Guardian

In the opening hours of the assault on Iraq, the US is likely to unleash a new and devastatingly effective breed of weapon against Saddam Hussein's forces. Launched in a cruise missile, it will fire a massive pulse of microwave energy.

Scary....guess they forgot about the "collateral damage"....

The effects of the HPM-beam on the victims include headache, irregular heartbeat, painful testis, burned skin, eye damage and cancer.

I don't know how reliable the source is:
http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:G879x2_L6WAJ:www.mikrowellenterror.de/english/+HPM+weapons+burn+skin&hl=en&client=firefox-a

They simply heat water.

Boiling to death? Could it be? Please no.

The water in your skin would heat first (outside-in) and would be damaged (and damn painful). I don't think you'd remain conscious much past then.

However, it's more like getting burned with fire than being dipped in a pot of boiling water.

the clothes didn't burn...Everyone keeps wanting to describe the burning of the corpses as being from either Napalm, MK-77, WP or some mix of the above with other chemicals being dropped on the people that caused their bodies to burn. But the expert on the Randi Rhodes show said very very specifically that the effect of White Phosphorus (WP) on the skin and clothes would burn through both because the phosphorus is a burning material in its particles and is usually dropped out as a cloud along with whatever causes is to become "flammable" and burn. So thus he kept saying that the clothes would have been burned too. My point about from "the inside out" refers more to the "body within the clothes" burning from within.

Yes, I'm familiar with how the microwaves increase the vibration of the molecules within the "meat", water, etc. being microwaved and then the heat that is generated from their vibration. If I'm wrong about that being how a microwave works, please let me know....All I know is that if I stick a piece of meat in a sock, put it in the Microwave and put it on 20 minutes, even if that piece of meat is cooked to the "core", my sock isn't going to be cooked..... :shrug:

cooked to me. They looked like they'd been out in the elements a while and decay had begun...the outer layer of skin isn't broken on most of the pics. WP burns right through the skin. Microwaves would heat (and disrupt) the skin first, before "cooking" internal organs.

I really think it's just exposure.

that thread about Randi's interview this afternoon, the first thing I thought of was mocrowaves. So help me! Yep, cooks from the inside out.

As he described it, about a year ago. Two of his cousins were coming out of a restaurant in Baghdad when they were "shot" by US forces for unknown reasons. They described the weapons as something that "melted" or vaporized the flesh. They couldn't understand what it could be. I've always wondered what in the world we're using to do such a thing?

he would have thought there would be more disruption of the tissue with a microwave weapon and suspected a chemical agent instead. I simply don't know.

But it previously has been reported that the military has developed microwave weapons for "nonlethal" crowd control and will deploy such weapons to Iraq. Which is why I wondered about the potential for lethal use of the technology. A couple links in my post here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=5314416&mesg_id=5314900

Unfortunate that even those of us who do not readily don the tinfoil hat have occasion to speculate about such things.

that talked about this "microwave weapon", "crowd control weapon", it was called. you can probably find it by doing a search. the army is using it, experimenting with it. it was aimed from the roof of a building and can cover quite a large area.

it is REAL, freaked me out too!

with a detonation device. The reason I think so is from the accounts as well as our use of "shake and bake" mortar fire. Just my opinion though. I think most of our microwave technology in combat situations has been designed around shutting down all communications from an area we are going to hit.

ever it is, its nasty and evil... :scared:

Maybe its a combination of both being used, maybe its something entirely different...I only know that I think that there is something being used here that is wrong....

http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=mg18725095.600

VOLUNTEERS taking part in tests of the Pentagon's "less-lethal" microwave weapon were banned from wearing glasses or contact lenses due to safety fears. The precautions raise concerns about how safe the Active Denial System (ADS) weapon would be if used in real crowd-control situations.

The ADS fires a 95-gigahertz microwave beam, which is supposed to heat skin and to cause pain but no physical damage (New Scientist, 27 October 2001, p 26). Little information about its effects has been released, but details of tests in 2003 and 2004 were revealed after Edward Hammond, director of the US Sunshine Project - an organisation campaigning against the use of biological and non-lethal weapons - requested them under the Freedom of Information Act.

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During the experiments, people playing rioters put up their hands when hit and were given a 15-second cooling-down period before being targeted again. One person suffered a burn in a previous test when the beam was accidentally used on the wrong power setting.

More information about that burn would be interesting...