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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-05 02:24 PM
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Newsweek: "caveats raised by intelligence....were withheld from Powell"

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/9991919/site/newsweek/page/4/

Al-Libi’s Tall Tales

A CIA document obtained by NEWSWEEK provides further evidence that the U.S. intelligence community had serious doubts about information from a high-level Qaeda detainee before the Iraq war.


<snip>

The new documents also raise the possibility that caveats raised by intelligence analysts about al-Libi’s claims were withheld from Powell when he was preparing his Security Council speech. Larry Wilkerson, who served as Powell’s chief of staff and oversaw the vetting of Powell’s speech, responded to an e-mail from NEWSWEEK Wednesday stating that he was unaware of the DIA doubts about al-Libi at the time the speech was being prepared. “We never got any dissent with respect to those lines you cite … indeed the entire section that now we know came from ,” Wilkerson wrote.




Powell needs to go on the record.
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Halliburton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-05 02:26 PM
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1. cheney must be blackmailing him
wonder what he has.
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 10:35 AM
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32. Powell needs to come clean
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-05 02:28 PM
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2. How many ways is Colon covering his behind?
Did he say "I'm not going to the UN with this shit" or did they withhold caveats from him? Was he lying then or is he lying now?

What a huge JERK he is.
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-05 02:32 PM
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4. Wilkerson, however, seems to be telling it like it was? nt
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-05 02:34 PM
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5. He seems very credible to me, anyway. n/t
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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-05 02:44 PM
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7. I agree. he seems to be speaking the truth...
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-05 03:08 PM
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14. But, on second reading, there is a contradiction here that I don't get.
Edited on Thu Nov-10-05 03:32 PM by sfexpat2000
Remember those leaked reports of Powell throwing a tantrum over what BushCo wanted him to say? Surely Wilkerson was aware of that, if the story was true and not just PR.

Is Wilkerson parsing here, regarding "those lines"?

“We never got any dissent with respect to those lines you cite … indeed the entire section that now we know came from ,” Wilkerson wrote.

/typing
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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-05 03:23 PM
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17. good point, that does seem to conflict with the latest assertion?
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-05 02:31 PM
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3. Is he referring to the footnotes?
I've been waiting for the Dems to assert that they had the intelligence but not the footnotes questioning the intel. Another big lie of the administration - a lie of omission.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-05 02:36 PM
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6. Doug Feith or someone like him lifted entire sentences from
the NIE and sanitized them of caveats. Sorry, I don't have a link, but if you read the declassified portions of the NIE and compare it to the Cabal's choral presentation on TV and in speeches, it becomes very obvious.
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-05 04:05 PM
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21. It's so frustrating
One would think that at least one of the legislators who voted against would be safe in bringing this up on whatever floor and entering it into the record. No face to save, so to speak, since they already voted against giving W the authority. And then hold a press conference on the matter.

Even Lionel on the radio was saying just last night that this issue is the next explosive issue to hit the public. He was actually for the war based on the intel and is now totally and completely fed up. His nightly broadcasts are almost always about convincing wingnut callers of the issues. And this issue was major with him last night. I expect this kind of thing from Randi and Malloy. When it reaches as far as Lionel's show, it's almost old news for chrissakes.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-05 05:19 PM
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24. Maybe they're afraid of the consequences.
We all know these criminals will do anything to continue to line their pockets.

Remember Wellstone. :(
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-05 05:41 PM
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26. Then they all need to stand together and say it in unison
Over 2000 reasons why.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-05 05:44 PM
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27. Yep. I agree. n/t
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Nightjock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-05 05:10 PM
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22. Are you saying....
....that the only 4 dems who saw the classified info before the war did not have the footnotes that questioned the intelligence?!?

I asked that question a few days ago on DU and no one had an answer.

That is the only loophole bushbots have.

They could say, "If those democrats saw that the "classified" evidence was misleading why did they not speak out?"

Is it true that they did not see EVERYTHING?

We know the rest of congress got the "cooked" bullshit intel.
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-05 05:46 PM
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28. What I read here at DU over the months...
Is that the intel that was provided to the committee did not contain the footnotes. So, when the Senators saw the false intel without the doubts included, it looked like the U.S. was in imminent danger.

I'm sorry that I don't have any links for you. But read sfexpat2000's posting above about Doug Feith. Perhaps some DU archive digging or Googling will get you the details. We should be hearing about this in the news if things go right.
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 10:16 AM
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31. Two Versions of the NIE
Edited on Fri Nov-11-05 10:31 AM by chill_wind
The one given the inner circles (more nuanced and more caveats) and the one (more alarmist and less nuanced) used to peddle the case like crack to the public, the media and to the outer Congress.

Or so it suggests here:

(8:00pm) October 1, 2002
The CIA delivers the classified version of its 90-page National Intelligence Estimate on Iraq (see October 1, 2002) to Congress. It is available for viewing by Congresspersons under tight security in the offices of the Senate and House Intelligence Committees. Congress asks the CIA for a declassified version so that the members have something they can refer to during their debates on the Iraq war resolution.


October 4, 2002
The CIA releases a 25-page declassified version of its October 1 National Intelligence Estimate on Iraq and posts it on the agency's website for public viewing. But the public version presents a very different assessment of the threat posed by Iraq than the original document (see October 1, 2002).

much more at this link, as well as more re: Powell & Wilkerson throughout.

http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=complete_timeline_of_the_2003_invasion_of_iraq&general_topic_areas=deception


I think Roberts is just one guy who should have to explain the two different versions to the Senate Intel Investigation Part II. I think we have to assume he saw them both.

I also think everything at the link above (see its overall parent link) should be sent to all 6 members on the Part II Panel for their staffers to comb and compile. ALL of the members, to be safe. The amount of facts sourced, collected and already very nicely organized there is MASSIVE. Hat's totally off to Derek Mitchell.

Parent Link: The Decision to Invade Iraq Timeline(and much more under the Politicization of Intelligence, Deception, Statements, Reports, Niger Yellowcake, the aluminum tubes saga, the silencing of critics, the stovepiping and much more
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=complete_timeline_of_the_2003_invasion_of_iraq
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 02:23 PM
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40. Thanks c_w and welcome to DU!
:hi: :hi: :hi:
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 03:48 PM
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46. Thanks.
Edited on Fri Nov-11-05 03:49 PM by chill_wind
Greetings and blessings upon ye :-)
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murray hill farm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 11:40 AM
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34. The only reason for the lie was to lie to congress!
It was not to convince the "people"...its only motive was to convince congress...but now they incinuate that congress should have known...know what..that the admin was being dishonest to them? Very poor rationale..sort of well i lied to you..and u believed me..so it is your fault.
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 02:21 PM
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39. They have strange ideas about adults being in charge
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paineinthearse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-05 02:47 PM
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8. This belongs on the LBN page
GEN is such a fast-moving forum. kick and nominated
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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-05 02:51 PM
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9. Well the Al-Libi story was already reported on a little while back,
Edited on Thu Nov-10-05 02:52 PM by sabra
however this snip does seem like a new revelation.

peace.
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 04:24 PM
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47. Newsweek itself covered it before in july 04
Edited on Fri Nov-11-05 04:28 PM by chill_wind
The debate, however, is far from over. Vice President Dick Cheney has sought to more vigorously defend the Iraq- Qaeda link, even reading to one TV interviewer from a U.S. intelligence report recounting a meeting between an Iraqi intel official and bin Laden on a farm in Sudan in the summer of 1996. (One possible problem: bin Laden had left Sudan for Afghanistan in May of that year.)

Probably the only REAL "caveat" we can come away with is Cheney carried on the myth well into the election and to this day, long after it was exposed and abandoned by everyone else.

That ---- and the glaringly obvious proof and indictment that torture doesn't work.

Yet it was seized on as an important part of a manipulated/fabricated case for war.


http://msnbc.msn.com/id/5305085/site/newsweek/
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paineinthearse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-05 02:57 PM
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11. Rate this article
Currently only two people have given it a rating.

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/9991919/site/newsweek/
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Garbo 2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-05 02:54 PM
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10. State had its own intel unit, INR, that was dubious about many of the
claims the Administration supported. Powell as Secty of State didn't check with them?

A bit late to play CYA for Powell. Why was he presenting info to Congress while the IWR was pending that his own staff told him was BS? Ditto Tenet.
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Fleshdancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-05 02:59 PM
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12. And to think...
I was actually naive enough back in 2000 to believe Powell was an honorable man. Sad.
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EC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-05 03:00 PM
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13. He probabley signed a non-disclosure agreement
plus anything he writes has to be vetted through Washington...
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-05 03:19 PM
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15. Web exclusive= we won't print it - BFEE wouldn't have it. Colon also
said in 2002 that Saddam had nothing - it was a public speech somewhere. So, whatever "lies" were told to him, were only to cover his ass - HE KNEW!!!
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RedEarth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-05 03:20 PM
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16. Interesting... I sure wish Powell would speak out...
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-05 03:29 PM
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18. Mr. "Shaky Alibi" is gonna come back and bite em in the ass!
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-05 03:32 PM
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19. Why were these documents newly declassified? Someone at the CIA...
out to get this administration and bring them down?

The CIA is tired of being the scapegoat and whipping boy for corrupt or incompetent executive branch decisions and we're seeing the backlash.

If stuff like this can be declassified, why can't Sibel Edmonds speak?!
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-05 03:34 PM
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20. This is not true. If so, why did Powell have a hissy fit about having to
say this nonsense before the UN? Cat's already out of the bag, Colin.
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-05 05:12 PM
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23. Powell is worried about finding his name on an indictment for War Crimes
Thats what is going on here.

Don
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BurgherHoldtheLies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-05 05:21 PM
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25. Withheld from the Senate too, I'd bet.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-05 05:58 PM
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29. I'll never forget Powell sitting there with a picture of a big truck! n/t
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 02:30 PM
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41. Do you remember who was sitting behind Colin?
......and nary a word what the Death Squad Master knew about the fake program that Powell was giving that day.

The Iran/Contra convict was none other than John Negroponte.
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Senator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 09:26 AM
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30. He will continue to follow the sacred "Powell Doctrine"
Which, as you might recall, is to never engage in battle unless:

1. You go in with overwhelming force. (You know you'll win.)

2. You have a solid exit strategy. (You know you can get away.)
---

Others may be more familiar with the shorthand Russell Ziskey (Harold Ramis) version:

When I was a kid, my father told me, "never hit anyone in anger, unless you're absolutely sure you can get away with it."
--

Basically, it's just formalized cowardice.

--
www.january6th.org
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 10:53 AM
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33. Center for Cooperative Research Cites (see also above Two Versions of NIE
Edited on Fri Nov-11-05 11:02 AM by chill_wind
(see link to access the embedded links for the articles cited-- ie the Vanity Fair piece)

January 29, 2003
US Secretary of State Colin Powell gives his chief of staff, Larry Wilkerson, a 48-page report from the White House on Iraq's alleged arsenal of banned weapons. The report is meant to serve as the basis for Powell's upcoming speech to the UN (see 10:30 a.m. February 5, 2003). Powell, skeptical of the report's data, instructs Wilkerson to have it looked over by the CIA. According to a senior official interviewed by James Bamford, the dossier was written primarily by John Hannah. I. Lewis Libby, Hannah's boss, may have also contributed to the report, according to Bamford's source. The analysts at CIA will quickly determine that the documents are based on unreliable sources (see January 30, 2003-January 31, 2003).


January 30, 2003-January 31, 2003
Colin Powell's chief of staff, Larry Wilkerson, meets with other State staffers and CIA analysts at the agency's Langley headquarters in a conference room down the hall from George Tenet's office to review two White House reports on Iraq's alleged illegal activities. The two dossiers are meant to serve as the basis for Powell's upcoming speech at the UN (see 10:30 a.m. February 5, 2003). One of the reports—a 48-page dossier that had been provided to Powell's office a few days earlier (see January 29, 2003) —deals with Iraq's supposed arsenal of weapons of mass destruction while the other, slightly more recent report totaling some 45 pages, addresses the issue of Iraq's history of human rights violations and its alleged ties to militant groups listed by the state department as terrorist organizations. Shortly after the CIA analysts begin their review of the documents, the decision is made to scrap them and start from scratch. “They suspect much of it originated with the Iraqi National Congress (INC) and its chief, Ahmed Chalabi,” Vanity Fair magazine will later report. Powell's staff is also “convinced that much of it had been funneled directly to Cheney by a tiny separate intelligence unit set up by Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld.”

A senior source later tells US News and World Report that the documents had included “unsubstantiated assertions.” According to several administration officials, Powell's team “tried to follow ... 45-page White House script,” but “there were too many problems—some assertions, for instance, were not supported by solid or adequate sourcing—Indeed, some of the damning information simply could not be proved.”

Similarly, one senior official will later recall: “We went through that for about six-hours—item by item, page by page and about halfway through the day I realized this is idiocy, we cannot possibly do this, because it was all bullsh_t—it was unsourced, a lot of it was just out of the newpapers, it was—and I look back in retrospect—it was a Feith product, it was a Scooter Libby product, it was a Vice President?s office product. It was a product of collusion between that group. And it had no way of standing up, anywhere, I mean it was nuts.”

One item in the White House's original draft alleged that Iraq had obtained software from an Australian company that would provide Iraqis with sensitive information about US topography. The hawks' argument was that Iraqis, using that knowledge, could one day attack the US with biological or chemical weapons deployed from unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs). But when Powell's intelligence team investigated the issue, it became “clear that the information was not ironclad.” (see October 1, 2002) Summing it up, one official will later explain, “We were so appalled at what had arrived from the White House.”
People and organizations involved: Colin Powell, Ahmed Chalabi, Larry Wilkerson

February 1, 2003-February 4, 2003
On February 1, Secretary of State Colin Powell begins rehearsing for his February 5 presentation to the UN Security Council (see 10:30 a.m. February 5, 2003) in which he will argue that Iraq represents a serious and imminent threat to the US. Powell is assisted by members of his staff, including his chief of staff, Larry Wilkerson, and Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage.

Several members of the White House Iraq Group drop in during the pre-speech sessions, including Condoleezza Rice, Stephen Hadley, and Lewis Libby. George Tenet and his deputy director, John McLaughlin, are also present at times.

Cheney's staff continues to pressure Powell to include several unsubstantiated and dubious allegations. The allegations that are most contested are the ones dealing with Iraq's alleged ties to terrorism. For example, the group insists that Powell “link Iraq directly to the 9/11 terrorist attacks on New York and Washington” and include the widely discredited allegation (see October 21, 2002) that Mohammed Atta had met in Prague with an Iraqi intelligence officer (see April 8, 2001).

But Powell and his staff reject a good portion of the hawks' material. At one point, Powell reportedly says, “I'm not reading this. This is bullsh_t.” An official later recalls: “On a number of occasions, ... simply said, ‘I?m not using that, I?m not using that, that is not good enough. That?s not something that I can support.’ And on each occasion he was fought by the vice president?s office in the person of Scooter Libby, by the National Security Advisor herself, by her deputy , and sometimes by the intelligence people—George and John .”

e fought tooth and nail with other members of the administration to scrub it and get the crap out,” Larry Wilkerson, Powell's Chief of Staff later tells GQ. In some instances, material rejected by Powell occasionally reappear in subsequent versions of the speech. “One of the most outrageous ones was the Mohammed Atta meeting in Prague. Steve Hadley on one occasion it back in. We cut it and somehow it got back in. And the secretary said, ‘I thought I cut this?’ And Steve Hadley looked around and said, ‘My fault, Mr. Secretary, I'll put it back in.’ ‘Well, cut it, permanently!’ yelled Powell. It was all cartoon. The specious connection between al-Qaeda and Saddam Hussein, much of which I subsequently found came probably from the INC and from their sources, defectors and so forth, training in Iraq for terrorists. ... No question in my mind that some of the sources that we were using were probably Israeli intelligence. That was one thing that was rarely revealed to us—if it was a foreign source.”
People and organizations involved: Condoleezza Rice, Larry Wilkerson, Richard Armitage, Stephen Hadley, George Tenet, John E. McLaughlin, Lewis ("Scooter") Libby, Colin Powell, White House Iraq Group

(11:00 p.m.) February 4, 2003
CIA terrorism specialist Phil Mudd visits Colin Powell's hotel suite at the Waldorf-Astoria Hotel in New York City to review the terrorism section of the speech Powell will make to the UN the next morning. After Mudd reads the section, he says, “Looks fine.” After leaving the hotel, he will inform George Tenet that Powell's team had trimmed the section on Iraq's alleged ties to militant Islamic groups.
People and organizations involved: Phil Mudd, George Tenet

Before February 5, 2003
An unnamed Pentagon analyst warns a top CIA official in an email that one of the allegations Powell is planning to make in his February 5 presentation to the UN is based on intelligence from a single informant of dubious reliability. The analyst—who was the only member of US intelligence to interview the source—said it wasn't even certain if the informant, known as “Curveball,” was “who he said he was.” The CIA official quickly responded to the analyst's warning: “Let's keep in mind the fact that this war's going to happen regardless of what Curveball said or didn't say,” he wrote. “The Powers That Be probably aren't terribly interested in whether Curveball knows what he's talking about.”


much more (timeline of linked sourced articles)

credits to Derek Mitchell

http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=complete_timeline_of_the_2003_invasion_of_iraq&general_topic_areas=deception
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 11:41 AM
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35. DUPE
Edited on Fri Nov-11-05 11:42 AM by spanone
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 11:41 AM
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36. Bull fucking shit. Powell KNEW. They ALL KNEW.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 11:42 AM
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37. Powell is every bit as despicable and untrustworthy as any of them
(except maybe Cheney)

and he always has been.

I can not fathom the lingering respect some have for this opportunistic, self-serving narcissistic liar.
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panzerfaust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 01:22 PM
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38. Veteran's day

... besides a day to celebrate the "End of The War to End All War", and the veterans of that, previous, and subsequent wars: is a good day to reflect upon how Colin Powell got on the Army's career escalator.

Four Words: "Mei Lai", "Cover-up attempt"

Sure. It failed. But not because he did not try.

That he would be asked to take on such a task showed that the Chain-of-Command thought that he was unethical enough, and competent enough to do so. They were right about the first, and not really wrong about the second. By the time Powell tried to put the lid back on, too many people were talking about it.

But the Brass appreciated, remembered, and rewarded, his efforts.

Right General Powell?

la lakin la nasr Allahi
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 02:31 PM
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42. Who indeed believes that Colin Powell is that stupid? n/t
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mistertrickster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 02:45 PM
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43. It's nice that Newsweek can actually report news about three years after
it's too late to make a difference.

Strange how an ordinary guy like myself sitting in a medium-sized city in the Midwest can see what these professional reporters took 32 months to figure out.

Maybe I ought to be a national reporter . . . oh, that's right, the "liberal media" would have to print it.

There's the rub . . .
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 02:57 PM
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44. Did Newsweek get Georgie's trantum message? "Stop making false charges!
"Stop it! Stop it, now! Stop making false charges! Stop investigating me! Stop it! I mean stop it!"
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 03:34 PM
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45. Nothing here exonerates anybody
Edited on Fri Nov-11-05 03:43 PM by chill_wind
Mountains have been written over the past few years about the neo's, the OSP, the Cheney Stovepipe operation, and more recently the WHIGs

But you can't talk about them without also talking in the end about the complicity of the career bureaucrats who folded, held their noses, bent over for it, and in the end just played the much-clamored for script to the UN:

George Tenet and Colin Powell

Powell also suggests that because the tubes were “anodized,” it was unlikely that they had been designed for conventional use. Powell does not mention that numerous US nuclear scientists have dismissed this claim (see (Mid-July 2001)-August 17, 2001) (see September 23, 2002) (see December 2002).

Powell also fails to say that Iraq has rockets identical to the Italian Medusa 81 mm rockets, which are of the same dimensions and made of the same alloy as the 3,000 tubes that were intercepted in July 2001 (see After January 22, 2003). This had been reported just two weeks earlier by the Washington Post.

Moreover, just two days before, Powell was explicitly warned by the US State Department's Bureau of Intelligence and Research not to cite the aluminum tubes as evidence that Iraq is pursuing nuclear weapons (see February 3, 2003).

http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=complete_timeline_of_the_2003_invasion_of_iraq&general_topic_areas=deception
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Gyre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 05:24 PM
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48. "Pausible deniability" is the name of the game.
And their fans consistantly claim they have "open minds" and will piously withold judgement until somebody is "convicted".

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Realityhack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 06:54 PM
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49. Funny...
by 1hr after the speach the internet comunity had easily decimated every point with reliable sorces.

Frankly Powell has no excuse IMO. Some of the crap was so blatant that he should have know it just by looking at the breifing.
Stupid, evil, stupid, evil,........
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