Edwards on Hillary: "Did she really say that?"

In an interview after the UNC speech, Edwards finally utters the words he'd assiduously avoided during the last campaign: "I voted for the resolution," he says. "It was a mistake." So far, so good. But he goes on, "The hard question is, What do you do now? Looking back, it's easy to say that it was wrong and based on false information. Anybody who doesn't admit that isn't honest, and that's the truth." So what now? "I myself feel conflicted about it," Edwards replies. "But we have to find ways--and I don't mean just yanking all the troops tomorrow--but we have to find ways to start bringing our troops home. Our presence there is clearly contributing to the problem." So does he agree with Senator Russ Feingold that Washington should set a withdrawal deadline? "No. Even if we're going to say that internally, that we're gonna have our troops out by X date, there's no reason to announce that to the world. I think that's probably a mistake." He doesn't agree, either, with Senator Clinton's call for more US troops to finish the job? "No sir!" Edwards says, sitting straight up in his chair. "Did she really say that?"

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20051128/moser/3

saw him speak about poverty here at Berkeley, and I enjoyed it. I'm glad he is willing to say that voting for War was a mistake.

going in the right direction. Yea, I could stand by him, no problem.

Hillary? Please.

But at least Edwards has put it in reverse and is moving. Hillary's insistence on not yielding is a huge mistake. But hers to make.

he believes in the Senate and the workings of the republic which is why he is in service. He is having to come face to face with his own Rubicon - that he was lied to by the president and his people, and that means that the white house is in the hands of men who would cheerfully sacrifice the very idea of democracy to gain their own ends. IT's a lot to swallow for someone who's been inside it as long as he has. Simply put he's finding out the Republic is in the hands of its worst enemies, men who have no honor, no belief in the system we have established here to allow the common man a voice and no morals as edwards understands them. All they have is a love for power. To acknowledge that the serpent has taken hold in the heart of a system you've given your life to can be a shattering moment. You can't do that all at once.

Maybe I'm reading too much into this but all over on the left I see, in our elected officials, a reluctance to acknowledger how dire things are, how unprincipled are their opponents and how huge the stakes are.

I saw him in a Q&A session in 2002, and it was clear he hadn't developed his thoughts to the point where he could answer questions effectively on issues not mentioned in his stump speech, which then was very general focusing more on broad themes rather than anything remotely resembling cogent policy.

Amazingly he became my first choice for the nomination after Dean and Clark dropped out.

indeed made by Hillary. Send more targets for death? Get the toops home, and keep the deadline secret if necessary, but get them home. The world is less safe, we are less safe, and prolonging the evil is only going to do just that: PROLONG THE EVIL.

that to the world. WHY THE FUCK NOT? Are you afraid they will quit killing and maiming people?

What is the rational for continuing this atrocity with no end plan?


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that our government treats us like stupid people or even children. What are the reasons not to get out. Are the answers to those questions too difficult for them to answer or do they feel they're too difficult for us to hear?

sigh..

for us. They can Lie to get us to go along as long as they want to. They are Superior and the rules apply to US not Them. What does EDWARDS think? I for one am tired of pretending that IRAQ is or was anything but the Opium dreams of a bunch of Homo Erotic Sadistic Psychopaths. They stole our Government in 2000 and have been looting and raping ever since. I am ready for some real leadership to stand up and VOCALLY oppose their radical right wing agenda. I do not want the 'leaders' to wait for the polls to show it is safe.

Note to All of them LEAD FOLLOW OR GET OUT OF THE WAY.

As propounded by philosopher Leo Strauss. (Strauss was) "a man profoundly hostile to the modern world and to the concept of rule by the people. He believed it was the natural right of the wise and strong to lead societies to the fulfillment of their wise aims, using subterfuge when necessary, because speaking the naked truth won't get the job done."

http://www.counterpunch.org/leupp05242003.html

not support their agenda.
We need to
Pull the mask off the beast show them for the lying thugs they are.

for the war declining.

From the article - "Either he was a hawk, or he didn't know what he was talking about, or he was guilty of the worst kind of political pandering," Kromm says. "I thought, 'You're trying to appeal to progressives, but you've already lost them.' I'm not sure he ever recovered from that."

I read in an article that in her book about the 04 Democratic Primary, Pelosi said Edwards steered clear of her after she heard him asking for a poll to determine his standing on an issue. My money is on the "worst kind of political pandering."

He'd be the president right now, that's all I have to say.

is that he is pathologically unable to admit any mistake. The American people 1) mostly understand now that the war was a mistake and 2) are very forgiving to public figures who admit they made a mistake.

For god's sake, it only makes sense to change your position based on new information or changed circumstances. It's a mark of a mature, thinking human being.

Then there's the practical problem that there is absolutely nothing we can do at this point to help the situation in Iraq except to leave and let the factions fight themselves into some kind of equilibrium.

So I don't think any Dem who supported the war in the past would have a problem saying they made a mistake and come out against the war.

Hillary and Schumer are my senators and I'm mostly proud of them, but for the life of me I can't understand why Hillary continues to support the war. It doesn't make sense morally, practically or politically.

But I like Edwards. He's at the top of my list. And it's important to remember, nobody is perfect in every way.

He is a decent,smart,down to earth, good looking guy. Nice family too.

Maybe we can take a page out of the playbook we used in Vietnam and have 500,000 troops on the ground in Iraq on any given day. Maybe that will be enough to snuff out resistance. Then again, perhaps not as it didn't work on the Vietnamese. Where are we gonna get those troops? Perhaps another fucking draft lottery?