Dean's obscene retort to Gephardt shown on The Daily Show

Hey,

A friend of mine with cable taped a week of TDS and brought it when he visited this weekend. One clip they played over and over showed Dean in a debate reacting to Gephardt criticizing his record by saying "Get f***ed"-- no sound but lipreading was very easy. He wasn't muttering to himself but being very explicit. I searched the archives to see if this had been mentioned at DU, as I don't remember seeing any reference to it.

Have preferred Dean heretofore but this shows a lack of judgment and self-control that I find bothersome. To do this in front of a camera gives me pause. Did anyone else see it, and what do you make of it if so?

CYD

"that's false"

He said "that's false".

...

It's one of his expressions.

Seriously, I'm not even a Dean guy. But he clearly said that's false. Seriously, do you really think Dean will make a point of letting the audience see him saying 'get fucked'?????

I don't think so.

Lip reading is more of an art than a science.

....he said "Chocolate Frosted Pop-Tarts", which looks an awful lot like "get f--ked" when you watch it over and over again.

Frankly, the Iowa chapter of Strawberry Toaster Streudel Lovers are holding a boycott as a result of his flip-flopping on flavored breakfast pastries.

He clearly said "get forked," referring possibly to eating pastries with a utensil.

"Dennis farted."

"Fuddle duddle".

He was quoting wise old Canadian philosopher Pierre Trudeau, who swore (heh) he said exactly that in the House of Commons back in 1971.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/indepth/trudeau/inhisownwords.html

You can even listen to the contemporary CBC radio report, with the opposition's indignation at his alleged mouthing of two words, the first starting with "f" and the second starting with "o" (their formulation, not mine!), and Trudeau's classically bemused/dismissive response:

http://media.cbc.ca:8080/ramgen/radio/programs/thismorning/audio/tm_fuddle000928.rm

Heavens. If your leaders keep on like this, next thing you know they're going to be saying "The state has no place in the bedrooms of the nation"!

;)

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..."Gep-hardt! You ignorant slut!"

For those of you not old enough to remember, "You ignorant slut" is a line made famous by Saturday Night Live.

Dean was merely proving that his memory of important items from the past is much better than that of his pretzel-stuffing, alcohol-soaked, coke-ravaged potential opponent, Mr. Bunnypants.

Of course, even the average houseplant could claim to have a better memory than Mr. Dodge-and-Weave.

As a deaf guy, I mastered the art of lipreading.

I'll tell you what he really said.

(I'll even put aside my Dean bias)

Hawkeye-X

Not being much of a lip reader - I couldn't tell WHAT he said. Stewart did make an issue of it as if Dean swore.

Can you lip read Esperanto?

No way was that "get f--ked", no way, no how.

I've heard people say he mouthed "wrong" or "false".

Dean bashing has actully turned into trying to make people believe they see something different...even when it's on tape.

"That's false" -- was reported that way by the media the following day as well. No one suggested that he was swearing until Stewart did.

(on edit, added link:)

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uslatest/story/0,1282,-3194007,00.html

``You've been saying for many months that you're the head of the Democratic wing of the Democratic Party,'' Gephardt said. ``I think you're just winging it.''

Dean grew visibly angry, mouthing, ``That's false,'' while Gephardt spoke.

Try a google news search for something like "dean debate that's false" and you'll get plenty of hits

You're nuts if you really think he said "get fucked".

And he really, really emphasized the word "false". I thought he said "That's fucked" at first, but it weren't so.

I think I would actually like him more if he HAD said "get fucked." Since only the political junkies like us are really paying attention at this point it would be fun if the candidates would let it all hang out a little more.

I was pretty sure Dean was mouthing "That's false" and he was mouthing it deliberately for the cameras. Jon Stewart made the joke that he told Gepharrdt to "get f*cked," but that's all it was.

Despite the widespread exaggerations about Dean's hot temper, do you really think Dean would deliberately mouth profanity to the camera during a debate?

In fact I did those fuckers as my name for the GOP in Harry's spirit but I disagree with the latter paragraph, I think its absurd to call Kucinich a phony, and the truth is what he wants us to find. The truth matters damned well to Kucinich. I dont care about temper at all, Truman was one of my favorites. Sorry if I took that personal but I think its absurd to think that Dean is the only "real" candiate especially with people like Kucinich out there.

Dennis gets angry, too, and doesn't have any "fake" smiles.

Just kind of annoying that he would act as if Kucinich is in just for politics then again how the media "treats" that is mostly ignoring Kucinich to death, who knows.

Thanks, zidzi.

would like that to be true (because that'd be damn funny, IMHO) I was under the impression that he mouthed "that's false." I would hope that Dean wouldn't be THAT rattled by Gephardt that he would explicitly mouth that when there are cameras to record it all around him.

I'd love it if that's what he had really said. I have no idea, since I didn't see the show. But I think it's time we had a guy who can take a "get fucked" attitude straight to the Monkey Boy's throat, with Gephardt used strictly for practice, of course.

but what does "Get f***ed" mean? Was he just saying "Gephardt"? They both look similar in lip movements.

Again, I did not see it, and I am not try to defend anything, just saying that "Get f***ed" does not make sense to me.

Just my thought, whatever it is worth.

Daily Show = News Satire

Comedy = The Art of Exaggeration

very AntiDean...so saying "Have preferred Dean heretofore" is just as disingenous as this thread...

btw..I have already read that Dean mouthed the words.. "that's false"

You are trying to start something that is unstartable! Ha!

Although I rarely post to pro- or anti- anyone threads, I have always been a Dean supporter here and never said one word against him. Let that be an object lesson about inventing facts to fit a theory.

On edit: nor am I trying to start anything, startable or not. Seems like Jon Stewart started it and I fell for it.

you at your word. But I'm not taking any "object lessons" from you.

I didn't have any "theories"...

is not a word. lol

:evilgrin:

oh, or was that Clark? Whatever. If he said it, no probs for me. It lets me know he is human.

It makes me recall David Robinson of the SA Spurs. One of the finest humans to ever play basketball. Contributes massive amounts of his salary to local charity and foundations that actually make a difference. Cut his own salary to keep Tim Duncan in San Antonio.

Anyway, when David had been in the league a few years the Spurs were playing on National TV on Easter Day. David, the Christian, got hacked and thought he was fouled. As they cut to commercial the foul was called against Robinson. He let out the loudest Fuck I have ever heard on TV. It increased my respect for him because it let you know he was human.

I think this could be good for Dean.

is very very difficult which is why so many deaf people learn sign language instead of lip reading. There are many constantants which look the same from a lip reader's perspective and thus one needs to know the context to effectively lip read. If you don't believe me ask any moderately competent speech therapist and he or she can tell you.

The press seems incapable of analyzing issues, but they pick up on important things like that! /sarcasm /despondency

n/t

Gore flattened the Bush boy, but all the press reported was Gore's sighing. You would sigh too, if you had to sit through Bush's lies on live television.

I would've been muttering "what a f*cking moron" over and over again if I had to debate Dumbya. Remarkable amount of restraint on Gores' part IMHO...

But what they failed to poke fun of was in the second debate when Dubya kept making this awful snorting noises with his nose. I even think the audience laughed after he did it during one of his sentences.

BTW, when I saw the Dean clip for the first time I knew he said "That's false". I thought that was pretty clear.

If you plan to start shit, at least get a better cover than "Have preferred Dean heretofore but ....". What a crock! :eyes:

Hey,

So you're calling me a liar. There is documentary evidence, if anyone cared to dig it up, that I've consistently been pro-Dean here for a year. Since this is the second false accusation of that nature in a few minutes, I am coming to a reluctant conclusion about the Dean supporters here at DU. Ready to invent facts to fit their theory, and ready to smear a fellow DUer for not being sufficiently pro-Dean.

Damn.

is the fact that the Daily Show is being quoted -- an obvious comedy show -- "falling for it" doesn't cut it.

If the thread was meant as a joke, OK--

If it was a serious question--then the reaction is justified.

It wasn't that TDS *said* what Dean said, but the way they played the clip over and over-- and the sly way Stewart kept saying "*What* did he say?" So I fell, not for hearsay, but for what I *thought* I was seeing (which Stewart obviously knew people would think they were seeing.) Zidzi and Padraig quite wrongly accused me of insincerity. Now you are saying I deserve to be raked over the coals, not for being an anti-Dean stealth poster, but for being dumb enough to be fooled-- and he's agreeing! That seems like damned if you do, damned if you don't.

Well, damn, damn, this is giving me a taste of the GD nastiness I keep reading about.

apologized so please quit whining about it.

Hmmmm.

This ain't nastiness--it's calling a spade a spade. I don't recall using profanity in my original post.

"reading about" Hmmm-- Is DU so widely discussed that one can read about it etc. Just a guess--but I don't think GD nastiness is something that can be read about. GD nastiness must be observed and experienced.

It's also something that one has to study to see why it comes about.

General rule-- starting a thread with a flamebait title will result in "gd nastiness." Crying foul later is disingenous. It's an obvious result.

He's a comic to be sure, but sometimes he picks certain people to pieces, and it really bugs me. He does the "news" so cleverly at times, it almost seems to be true. :silly:

it happens to everyone.

A lot of people here saw that debate, and that clip was shown all over the place. We all saw it. He said "false."

which doesn't justify all the accusations of insincerity

Hey Zidzi,

I apologize. Wrong to have been fooled by a comedy clip, wrong to have asked about it here. Wrong to expect anyone to remember my pro-Dean posting history or cut any slack; wrong to have complained when people were rude.

CYD

Malikshah said it best, though, when ..."General rule-- starting a thread with a flamebait title will result in "gd nastiness." Crying foul later is disingenous. It's an obvious result."

And I apologize again for mixing you up with another "yellow dog" who was "anti/dean"! There are a lot of members of DU and a lot of posts so it's not always easy to remember things you should! :-(

saying "Get fucked" -- it's logical to think "Why would Stewart make a big deal over "That's false"? People have been rude to you and assumed the worst about your motives. I don't know why people can't defend Dean without attacking a fellow DUer. It's not so difficult to say, "No, that's incorrect, and here's why. . ." or "I think you're mistaken on this because. . . " It's a lot more productive than just slamming someone.

In just the last few days we had Dean accused of being:

Racist against Hispanics Despite a transcript which clearly showed he hadn't done what the poster dishonestly claimed he had.

Racist against blacks for not reflexively condemning a plan that was unamimously agreed to by Michigan Democratic central committee which is cochaired by a black man. This 'evil' plan permitted mail and online voting in the upcoming caucus. FTR I do disagree with internet voting on security issues but to call it racist when combined with mail voting is dishonest.

Profane for a weeks old debate performance that one would have to believe only John Stewart was smart enough to get. Frankly, just running and posting any old thing you see on TV without putting any thought into the plausibility of it is getting to be an awfully old tactic of the anti Dean brigade.

It's not like this is some earth-shattering matter. I didn't take the original post as being some big slam. The guy just brought it up something he saw on the Daily Show. Even if Dean did say it (which I doubt) who could they really prove it - the whole thing seems kinda funny to me...

when I'm lipreading.

Go to a mirror and say "olive juice" REPEATEDLY. Don't even voice it.

Hawkeye-X

Dupe :shrug:

after carefull analysis I can see it really was "sad fawns," perhaps in reference to the childhood memory of watching Bambie.

It's was very clearly a very well-pronounced "That's false."

It's such a shame Dean has so few faults and sins that people have to make things up.

Eloriel

eyes, ears, and mind open to perceive them.

He's not the AntiChrist but he's not the Second Coming of Christ, either.

for voting for the invasion of Iraq.

If Dean DIDN"T say it, i'm pissed

but if he ever DID say something like that, I would bow down on my knees and swear my undying loyalty to him forever.

*

I would expect him to say it ten times a day. He could clean up the "Hill" in 90 days with those two words. Maybe he should hire a staff to say it for him, a guy can only be in so many places at one time after all.

If he did say it, especially to Lieberman's wussy brother, then he has my vote. "Lack of restraint?" Good! There's eight other candidates
who are restrained for those who don't have the strength of their convictions to vote for.

Sorry about the syntax.......dinner's on, then a meeting.

c'mon. He said "that's false". I saw the same clip and it's obvious.

I am now changing my vote from Dean back to
Gepbhartdt. I did not read this thread except
for the first post because I'm sure it is full
of a lot of Deanos making excuses for Dean's swearing on
TV in front of gals and children. I didn't see
it myself thank God but I am sure Jon Stewart
hired a very good lipreader for something this
importandt. I have had my doubdts about Dean before
because he doesn't have any cuff links, but this
is the last straw. Go Gebpdhartdt.

Before throwing your support behind a candidate, learn to spell his name.

:-)

You may appreciate his feedback more fully afterwards :-)

it before, though, because I read the post twice and decided it had to be tongue in cheek. :-)

Who are you voting for? I'm going to make sure
I never vote for whoever it is unless I was
going to vote for them in the first place.

cuff links require that shirts with French cuffs be worn.

and French cuffs would be a good start.
Look at Senator Kerry's snappy apearel.
That's the way the President of the 21st Century
ought to look these days when he's going
all around the world doing things. Dean is
trying to come off as a tough guy with those
sleves rolled up struting around like a
tough guy or a plumber or somebody. For
all I know he could go home and put a apron
on and wash the dishes with his sleves like
that.... And now ... Lipreadinggate. Thanks
but no thanks. I'm for Kerry all the way
unless something happens.

That's awesome! What's bothersome about it?

that he said "that's false" However, I still giggled at the possibility of "that's fucked"

I've never heard the expression, and I can't picture anyone using it. Sounds like something a very high surfer dude in California would say.

For those with such pysches, the little man has to show he's not going to back down from the bigger man.

I'm short. I've got it.

complex -- surely he'd know. He explained Napoleon complex briefly, nothing "wrong" there. He asserted that Dean has Napoleon complex. You may say he's wrong about that but can you back it up? If anyone is seeing Dean as having a Napoleon complex (and some of us are), it's not good for his image.

To me, Dean and Dubya both come across as rich frat boy types who are especially combative because they're short, i.e. they have Napoleon complexes. I've seen worse Napoleon complexes but I do see that in both of them.

Just as Dubya smirks, Dean mouths comments while others are speaking and is otherwise visibly uninterested in what others say, which looks very bad on camera. I haven't mentioned it before but he keeps doing it. I was surprised he hadn't unlearned these bad habits while he was governor.

Dean also has a pursed-mouth expression that makes him look like a pissed-off schoolmarm. I keep trying to be fair to Dean, in case he's actually the Dem nominee, but his smugness turns me off a lot.

complex -- surely he'd know. He explained Napoleon complex briefly, nothing "wrong" there. He asserted that Dean has Napoleon complex. You may say he's wrong about that but can you back it up? If anyone is seeing Dean as having a Napoleon complex (and some of us are), it's not good for his image.

The only thing I want to ask, and this is not to be a jerk, is, why does it have to be proven WRONG? Can you explain to me the behavior that you've seen that leads you to this consclusion?

Is it just that he's short and acts tough?

Dean said "That's false."
To Gephardt's so-called "fact".

Just my opinion. :-)

:dem:

Getting f**ked that is.

Perhaps he was wishing Gep well???

I agree, Stewart's bit was funny, but the lip read was rather a stretch.

No, It is not funny - it makes me crazy to read intelligent people behaving badly.

You guys better taka a second read of this post -- some of you turned on the original poster without any proof - just on - hey, you posted something negative about Dean -- yeh, you are that anti-Dean person - yeah.

Really sad. Your candidate is a good guy - believe in him and stop doing the circular firing squad thing.

I see that you've started to form your OWN opinion outside of the bounds of acceptable beliefs. Time to GET BACK IN LINE with the party line, damn you.

Come here, I want you to meet somebody...

But considering the climate recently, it doesn't seem as though all of the guns are pointed at the center of the circle, you know?

I will say that I'm an avid Dean supporter, and I didn't jump into this thread with guns blazng. I'm kinda proud of myself for that, because I've done it in the past. But things are getting kinda dirty now, and a lot of people are on edge. We're just that used to having to defend our candidates.

what you or your friend were thinking at the moment. You probably thought what you "saw" Dean say. Really. Ever listened to some of those wacky tapes from believers of Electronic Voice Phenomena (aka voices of the dead)?
Yeah, she said "Mom I love you". cannot you hear it ?!
-C

I don't know what he said, but I think Gephardt should Get Fucked.

He's lower than low. If I thought he had a chance, I would consider not voting for him. That makes me guilty of what I consider to be a major sin.

It's been proven he didn't say it. Neeeeeexxxxxt!