"We believed the President was telling us the truth...we were wrong"

We trusted the President's judgement and leadership, and gave him and his administration the benefit of the doubt and we were wrong.


We stand before you, with one voice, with deepest regret do apologize and take full responsibility for our vote to give President Bush authority to wage war as a last resort which was wrong.

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IF THE DEMS SAID THIS, THE PUKES WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO SAY, "Don't blame us, they voted for it too!"

The Repugs would be in shock because there's no defense against a sincere display of remorse and honesty.

:evilgrin:

Most politicians sway with the breeze and almost never stand by real convictions, even Democrats.

I know what you're saying but I still think it would have an enormous impact on the sheeple ... whether it's sincere or not. :-)

Problem is, if the MSM doesn't report it, no one knows they said it.

The Dems must take responsibility too. They need to apologize!

The vote was to disarm Saddam after inspections, if he did not comply. The inspections were stopped by Bush and Co, and Saddam did comply, about 10 yrs earlier.

trusting Bush in the first place.

The shock of it all, our dem's were taken advantage of.

*I* didn't see the intel, but I knew that most of the bogus claims were bogus from the press. The aluminum tubes, yellow cake BS, the statements from various arms inspectors, all available in print for anybody who was paying attention. Most of that crap Powell spouted when he talked to Congress was already debunked when he said it. Hell *HE* knew it was crap when he said it.

And as far as "believing the President," for a Senator to say that makes me question his ability to govern this nation. Bush is no stealth fraud, he's never been anything BUT a fraud. He's never posed as anything but a guy with a fairly transparent agenda. If a Senator can't see through this guy, I've got some a bridge to sell him.

I will never forget the appearance with Bill and Hilliary, in front of the WH, with all of the Democrats,dressed in Black, that supported him during those troubling times.

It was draatic and stunning.

That is what needs to be done.

:applause: But the republiars would still try to say that the Dems voted for it before they denounced it. Or some such bush*t!

together behind the podium.

As the statement is read, the names/picture of all our servicemen killed in Operation Iraqi Oil Freedom are shown.

powerful

Only the President had access to the raw intelligence. He is the head of the Executive Branch. He oversees ALL of our intelligence-gathering and ALL of the bodies responsible for analysis of intelligence. Congress relies on the President to present it with honest and well-analyzed data. Congress has no intelligence bodies of its own. It relies ENTIRELY on facts presented to it by the President's Administration. If the President presents it with "cooked" intelligence, the Congress cannot responsibly perform its oversight duties or knowledgeably exercise its war powers under the Constitution.

We saw no dissenting opinions from State, Air Force, Dept of Energy, and we now know there were plenty. So quit you're lying and lets get on with the investigation.


That's what I would say.

not only lose every single talking point, their moral authority would go :


:nuke:

The House and Senate NEVER get all of the intel. NEVER. Supposedly, they don't even see half of it.

Peace.

I read in Newsweek, before the war, that the CIA didn't agree with the march to war, and that they were being pressured.

The pro-war Dems can apologize all they want, but "we didn't know" just makes them look utterly incompetent.

After 9/11 we felt it was vital to show a strongly united country. So, despite already divisive policies, we decided to put everything aside because the assault on the Pentagon and the trade towers was a crime against all of us, not just Republicans or Democrats.

We believed the Republican leadership must feel the same. So, despite misgivings...

Two wrongs don't make a right!

In answer to contradicta's mewlings about it being "just 16 words!!!!" I have JUST TEN WORDS for you, dearie.

"...because I TRUSTED my president, and he LIED to me."

Repeat, BECAUSE it's necessary.

He said he'd run a White House without even the appearance of impropriety! How could we have ever thought he'd lie about something this serious?

Or, are you really always that naive? Are you a "reformed republican", or were you an uninformed Democrat? Most of us Dems knew when he ran the first time that he was a liar, and when he stole the election, we found out he was also a thief!! Anyone with a brain would have predicted this!

Texas Rangers. He's been a public asshole ever since he was governor. Sorry I didn't make my post sound more facetious. I've been around DU awhile, but I guess I blew it.

No, I'm not that naive, but I know plenty who are.

using "sarcasm", but I needed to be sure. Thanks for clarifying this! Unfortunately, sometimes repukes aren't the only uninformed voters. I know a few Dems who still have their heads in the sand ( or up their asses) If you had used this :sarcasm: I would have gotten your message as you intended it!! Hope I didn't offend you, but I'm still learning different posters styles.;-) DC

"Yes. We voted for the war. Given the state of our country at the time, and the levels of emotions that we all felt, many of us were guilty of letting those emotions wrap us up and cloud our judgement, and mixed with the intelligence we were given gave our approval to rush to war." "There was however, only a small group in this country that were not guilty of letting the emotions of the time cloud their judgement. They had all the facts, and all the intelligence, including much that to this day still has not been revealed to us or the public. They knew the war was not just, not appropriate, but they manipulated us in our emotional times to serve their unjust illegal cause. For that, they are guilty of the highest crime... Using the country's emotions at a time of unity to manipulate us as pawns into their hands, to give them the vote they needed. But not out of unified emotion and cause, but out of complete awareness that they were in the midst of pulling off the greatest deceit of our times. And for that they need to be held accountable"

Ok, I'm really sick and tired right now, and probably could've written the above far better in a clearer state of mind, but you get the jist.

I have to disagree with your premise though. They did not vote to rush to war. They voted to give the President the authority to disarm Saddam after inspections if Saddam did not comply. And Bush stopped the inspections because he knew what the outcome would be.

Here is the text of Kerry's speech on Senate floor before the vote. Doesn't sound to me like he was voting to rush to war.

http://www.independentsforkerry.org/uploads/media/kerry-iraq.html

But I do fault him and the other Dems who voted for the war for not making this a point in the 2004 election.

as a quote from Kerry, it was more a collective ideal of I could see many of them saying.

I also agree that it wasn't a rush to war, but I think broad statements to the Public need to take the audience into account. Most people aren't nearly as politically charged or informed as you or I (my wife for example, who can't stand politics), and they just respond to a simple message (they are sheep after all). I figured the message I posted above fit the bill of relating to the common American, what they were feeling at the time, and why the war had the majority of America's support at the time. You relate to them, and then awake them to the fact that Bushco did not share those emotions, they knew what there were doing, and did in on purpose, to deceive and manipulate.

So I do agree with you from a factual perspective, but from a 'what would an everyday sheep relate to' perspective, I'd still like to hear them say something similar to my above post.

Regardless, thanks for your welcome and insight :)

I think your statement was great. As I said, even Kerry did not defend his position during the campaign. I screamed about that during the last months of the campaign to no avail.

When I'm watching Cspan and see him talking in the Senate, or in a hearing, or talking down to ShouldbeaCONdeleeza Rice, I think "why couldn't he be that agressive during the campaign?"

I'm not sure we'll ever know. I still wanted Kerry to call * out on being wired in the debates, but oh well. (And yes, I'm 100% convinced he was wired)

Just remember to help us

Visualize IMPEACHMENT!!!!!!!!!
And then go DO something about it.

You will find many liked minded opinionated (reading your profile) people here. Many here have been screaming since before the war that this administration was going in the wrong direction.

Anyway... Welcome to the D.U. I know you will find your time here enjoyabe. It kept me sane throughout the last years elections.

:toast:

I was lurking then, and really for over a year now. I just never signed up cause at the time I was refreshing the 2004 election forum like a maddog, and there was so much incredible info being posted every minute I just felt like I didn't have anything that brilliant to add. But that forum gave me everything I needed to know we were robbed. That forum is also what introduced me to Keith Olbermann, who has now become my favorite personality on the tube.

DU is a place like no other, and the only place I can go for real news. It's an honor to officially be posting (though Lord knows I still might not have anything that brilliant to add LOL)

We do not elect Senators and Representatives to believe every word that comes out of the President's mouth. We elect our officials to represent us on Capitol Hill.

If you're an elected official on either side of the aisle who spends most of your time taking whatever the President says at face value, there's something wrong with you. You don't represent the President; you represent the people.

as this, sending our people to war, we should take what the President says with a grain of salt ? He damned well better not be lying to us.

A little healthy skepticism brought McCarthyism to an end. It'll do the same for this pathetic anti-American sock puppet and his worthless POS administration.

After all, he assured us in his campaign speeches he would restore integrity to the White House. So now he is saying we should not have believed him then or now?

he's saying we're stupid for going along with it.

yup.

And explain a little more.

For all the dems who have had quotes of theirs thrown back in their faces, about Saddam having dangerous weapons.

Elaborate a bit more.

"The reason I stated that I thought that Saddam had chemical weapons etc, is due to the evidence presented to us by the administration.

I didn't realize the evidence was shady at best, taken from informers who were known fabricators at the time.

If I knew that most of the intelligence was gotten from known liars, and that any intelligence saying Saddam didn't have WMD's was brushed aside without looking at it, i would have never voted to authorize."

Link: http://www.buzzflash.com/


It has a good list of many pertinent links too.

He said this.

http://www.thinkprogress.org/2005/07/26/bush-pulls-secu...

and this


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/20...

to get away with it, in make Dems accomplices.

German saying: Gone along, hung up along.


But this try is a sign of weakness, the allegations needed are quite blatantly false.

Piling on. :)

that I can think of, and it hasn't stopped Bush from saying that yet.

They don't care about truth, remember? Repeat the lie until it becomes the truth. That's what they do.

Don't let them smear the Dems. It's bullshit. He knew what he was doing. They set out to decieve. Don't let the Republicans weasel out of their responsibility by playing schoolyard games.

"They did it too!!"

No -to DINOs! We want our party back and we demand it back NOW!