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Seansky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 10:13 PM
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Why do I keep hearing that another attack would help GOP & *?
What it will do is demonstrate that neither of them can do a damn thing to protect us, even with their wastefulness in HLS...

It seems that another attack will guarantee impeachement...
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 10:19 PM
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1. No, they will use it as an excuse to declare Martial Law,
which they have been planning for (and salivating over ) for years. With that done, no worry about pesky things like existing laws, prosecutors, protesters... hell, they could basically close the Congress. They would be the sole authority and all their problems would be solved.

Recall that remark bush made about things being easier in a dictatorship? He knows it and Cheney knows it.
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rzemanfl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 10:28 PM
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3. Martial law requires soldiers to enforce it. Does BushCo really
think that National Guardsmen and soldiers, many of whom have been to Iraq twice for this stupid War, whose families may be on food stamps, are going to shoot their friends and neighbors because the Chimp and Cheney say to? Marital law would probably result in a coup.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 10:30 PM
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6. Black ops
and private security guards. They will try but the tide has is turning big time. Nothing they try will work but they could take out a few home insurgents.
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rzemanfl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 10:41 PM
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11. I live in Florida and am free to use deadly force against
operatives or private security forces I deem a threat. Maybe that new law is not as bad as I thought it was.
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 10:56 PM
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17. FEMA would take over. Google what powers FEMA has with regard
to national security. They would be used in a martial law scenario.
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bliss_eternal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 10:28 PM
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4. It sickened me that he would
say such a thing...

:puke:
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 10:29 PM
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5. How would they enforce that martial law, hon?
The army's in Iraq.

The most they could do is shatter the Union.
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waiting for hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 10:32 PM
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8. I was just thinking earlier
why don't just all Dems moved to one part of the country (I was trying to pick the good states with commerce, beaches, resorts, agriculture, ports and such) and the repugs to another....the divide in this country has gotten so hateful and angry - I'm ready to divorce myself from my parents - my Dad thinks I'm a commie because I joined the ACLU....go figure.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 10:52 PM
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15. hon?!?
wanna try that again, sport Maybe then I'll dignify it with some answers
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DemInDistress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 10:31 PM
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7. mom...I'm with you..
I see another attack on America,massive in its scope,possibly involving 4 cities or more.It could be that suitcase nuke or the
anthrax people again,Martial Law is the Bush Crime Family's last trump
card.Will they play it? Didn't we hear last year around the summer talk of suspending the election in the event of a new terror attack.
John Asscroft promoted an idea like that if my memory serves me well.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 11:03 PM
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18. yep, and we heard Martial Law and manditory vaccinations
as possible in case of sever flu.

Doesn't anybody else here remember the little news story in the early days of the malAdministration about DOD trying to figure a way to give sedative drugs to large urban populations in the event we had to occupy and subdue hostiles? Gee, they aren't using drugs on Iraqis, but I sure as hell won't take any mandatory vaccines here in the US!

And they already used private security forces with shoot to kill privlidges in an American city. No body took to the streets to complain about that! And they have been pruging the top military brass since day one of the malAdministration. Oh, and remember those 'prayer cards' troops serving in Iraq were asked to fill out? Gee, did the pResident fill out a pledge to pray for the troops he put in harms's way for a lie? No, but you might consider that there is a special file for the troops who pledged to pray for the deserter in the WH!

What concerns me most is that our Citizen Armed Forces, the National Guard is rather skimpy here state side, what with so many deployed in Iraq. Those are the people we should be able to count on to defend us at home, from enemies foreign AND domestic.

And what is that snappy little latin phrase that means no using troops against the citzenry? Didn't they suspend that little protection?

Martial Law as soon as they think they can get away with it. Cheney has NO other defense against paying for his criminal activity. He is not gonna give up power willingly. He has too much to answer for.

The junta does not love America. Nor do they give a care for any of us regular folks.
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DemInDistress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 11:14 PM
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19. mom...your a pretty sharp lady...
some here have it right,our national guard wouldn't fire on their own citizens but the U.N. would.Plans for U.N. troops are in the works should they be called to round up/deport to the some 800 prison camps
currently being maintained by FEMA.Signage by the D.O.T. of various states have implemented secret codes behind many of the signs indicating where a prison camp may be or Martial Law offices.I see it
coming.Godlike Productions -- Forum ArchivesSECRET MILITARY CODES DISCOVERED HIDDEN IN OUR ROAD SIGNS! ... Trac 2/1/2005 9:00 am EST, Re: SECRET MILITARY CODES DISCOVERED HIDDEN IN OUR ROAD SIGNS! ...

google up...trac marks road signs...very interesting information www.godlikeproductions.com/ bbs/aitem.php?message=76464&show=0205 - 45k -



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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-05 12:03 AM
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20. Hmm, lots of people in my area insist those #s on road signs
are for the UN Troops, but I talked to some chaps in a couple maintaince areas who said they are cataloge #s.

My paranoia is not so deep that I buy the UN in the US bit. That was old when Clinton was in the WH.

Drugging the population I will buy. Big Pharm and the junta get along just fine. Big Pharm gets a by on lawsuits... they will do whatever is asked.

Several months ago, a DUer posted about being stopped on a highway, by a law enforcement roadblock and check, only it was done by private secruity forces.

The UN, I don't fear. Private Corporations which do not recognize rule of law or national borders, THOSE I worry about.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 10:19 PM
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2. it seems ridiculous to me too
especially after Katrina
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Tinksrival Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 10:38 PM
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9. I heard Hannity saying this tonight
Freaked me out! He told a caller that any moderates having doubts about Bush would snap right back after another big attack, which IS coming, according to insanity. Must be a talking point.
It's a scarey thought if they believe it cause then they would do nothing to stop it.....again!
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C_U_L8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 10:40 PM
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10. Because rightwingers are scared little sheep who
Edited on Fri Nov-11-05 10:42 PM by C_U_L8R
cower at their dear leader's ankles for protection and leadership
at the first sign of danger. "Oh save us Dubya. Give us your divine guidance"
Bah!! Yuck!! Puke!! Chickenhearted Chickenhawks make me ill.
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 10:42 PM
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12. Malloy said last night that
Capitol Hill Blue said there was a report written on the political implications of another terrorist attack within the US. It especially stressed how it might cause everyone to want to rally around the current leadership, but admitted that it might also reflect and emphasize how difficult it is to keep the Homeland safe from terror (paraphrased), and what a failure they are in this.
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Poiuyt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 10:49 PM
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13. I believe it would help Bush
Only because Americans have a way of rallying around its leader in times of war. We will be mad and will want to get even. And the Democratic leadership won't say anything bad, instead they'll try to help pull together and show a unified front. Bush and Rove, of course, will milk it for all it's worth and it will take a year or two before someone mentions the fact that Bush couldn't protect us.
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JohnnyRingo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 10:49 PM
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14. Initially it'll be "rally 'round the Commander-in-Chief"
Probably not you, me, or anyone else here, (depending on the severity of attack) but for corporate America.
That includes radio TV, and print news. Back to the days of "criticism is unpatriotic".

If the attack is nuclear in scale, the current level of dissent will be mostly underground. Similar to January 2002.

.....I think.
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Seansky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-05 09:07 AM
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21. wouldn't you think there would be a similarly angry reaction like there
was in Spain? People would demand change because by now we know B created a cesspool of terrorists?
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JohnnyRingo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-05 02:04 PM
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29. Maybe, But after one press con by McClennan in which he says:
"Some people would rather side with the animals that perpetrated this act rather than support the president in America's time of grief", and our country would be more divided than it is now.

With media saturation of videos showing children with radiation poisoning or charred bodies in the streets, the call for revenge may outweigh the call for leadership change and create an atmosphere of chaos.......The ideal recipe for a sweeping power grab of Govt agency and policy.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 10:53 PM
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16. personaly i do not believe it will help bush. i think it will take him
down. if bush uses it to control and implement martial law, he might as well become dictator because then he has lost for good.....
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-05 09:10 AM
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22. Look at what happened after 9/11
People will go into panic mode. They will stop thinking, and rally behind anyone who even pretends to be a leader. And since Bush is the President (in name only) and gets all the free airtime he wants without any grouds for challenge or rebuttal, then people will fall in line behind whatever tax-cut he wants to push and whatever war he wants to start.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-05 09:18 AM
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23. Flagwaving, "patriotism", and bodies, trump common sense.
Also, what would the "opposition" party do? Does anyone think that they would have the courage to oppose, or even question, the glorious war on terror?
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-05 09:25 AM
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24. You don't need many troops.
Edited on Sat Nov-12-05 09:30 AM by WinkyDink
Hundreds of thousands of NYC marchers were controlled by not so many police/horses.
I was there. It was scary.
And remember: Bushco can shut down all airports, e.g. Quarantine.

No NG would shoot fellow citizens?! Two words: Kent State.
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-05 09:37 AM
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25. Capitol Hill Blue says there is a GOP memo out there. Who knows?
Edited on Sat Nov-12-05 09:38 AM by leesa
http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_7639.shtml

It creeps me out when they think about attacks against their fellow Americans as true options.
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electron_blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-05 09:39 AM
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26. because people typically will not switch leaders in time of attack
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-05 10:07 AM
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27. The * Administration still gets high marks in some quarters...
...for "national security," or whatever that means to those polled. He can't seriously promise to keep us safe, but they have built a platform out of scaring us out of trusting anyone else.

And yeah, frightened people are more willing to listen to simplistic answeres to complex questions, if only to relieve themselves of the heavy burden of thought. So no, a terror attack wouldn't be good (directly) for the neocons, but it would help them paint anyone who questions them as soft on whatever threat-of-the-month they invent to scare us.
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Mutley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-05 10:09 AM
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28. One of the biggest talking points the RWers have is that
we have not been attacked since 9-11, so if we were attacked again that little ditty would fly out the window. I think another attack would hurt Bush. But, the loss of life would never be worth it.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-05 02:08 PM
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30. MIHOP is one of their proven techniques
They've been doing it at least since the Civil War
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raysr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-05 02:21 PM
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31. But wouldn't another
attack undermine everything he's said about doing all these things to keep the US safe? Another attack would make him look worse it would seem to me.
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newspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-05 02:46 PM
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32. yeah, we're fighting them
Edited on Sat Nov-12-05 02:47 PM by newspeak
over there so we won't fight them here. Isn't that what the boy-king said? If another attack happens on our soil, I know exactly who to blame. I'm not rallying around anyone who couldn't even protect us the first time!!!!!:sarcasm:
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