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Peter Frank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-05 03:32 PM
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GOP Dirty Work - Hard Evidence *Ralph Reed *John Cornyn *Abramoff *Scanlon
Edited on Sat Nov-12-05 03:51 PM by Peter Frank

A glance of e-mails written by Ralph Reed concerning John Cornyn


By The Associated Press



WASHINGTON — A brief look at some 2001 e-mails between former Christian Coalition leader Ralph Reed and lobbyist Jack Abramoff concerning John Cornyn, who was Texas attorney general at the time and now is a U.S. senator.


  • _NOV. 11, 2001, 5:43 p.m.: Abramoff's partner Michael Scanlon forwards Abramoff a news article in which the Alabama-Coushatta tribal leader said he was going forward with plans to open a casino. Scanlon wanted a law enforcement official, whose name was blacked out, to call the chief's "bluff" and threaten to put him in jail.

  • _NOV. 11, 2001, 6:58 p.m.: Abramoff tells Reed in an e-mail: "This is CRITICAL. Can we get it?"

  • _ NOV. 12, 2001, 9:21 a.m.: Reed responds: "I think so. I'm scheduled to talk to Cornyn today. He has also been called by Ed Young, pastor of second Baptist, a good friend who he is counting on big time in the Senate race."

  • _ NOV. 12, 2001, 5:54 p.m.: Abramoff writes Reed, saying he was trying to get the National Indian Gaming Commission, which includes members of Indian tribes, to go after the Alabama-Coushatta and Tiguas, and that "Cornyn needs to get Indians to lead the way."

  • _ NOV. 12, 2001, 5:55 p.m.: Reed responds: "great work. get me the details so i can alert cornyn and let him know what we are doing to help him." He adds: "talked to ed young again today. incredibly engaged and excited. he is planning on hosting a breakfast with the top pastors in houston to get them all mobilized and to provide cover for cornyn. we may invite cornyn to address them."

  • _ NOV. 13, 2001, 9:40 a.m.: Abramoff writes to Reed: "Did you speak with Scanlon? He has a guy on the ground at the Alabama Coushatta reservation watching them unload hundreds of slot machines!! We need to get the AG arresting them RIGHT NOW!! We need to get the pastors rallying right now. This is going to be death for us. Please let us know what we are going to do. Thanks."

http://www.statesman.com/news/content/gen/ap/TX_Lobbyist_Cornyn_Glance.html

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x1919558






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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-05 03:34 PM
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1. Cornyn is a dirty bastard who cheated his way to where he is.n.t
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-05 03:54 PM
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3. They ALL are. n/t
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-05 03:58 PM
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5. True nm
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yella_dawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-05 04:35 PM
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8. I'm disturbed that you support Cornyn like that.
That evil piece of shit would be honestly flattered to be called a dirty bastard. Hell, his own mom probably calls him worse.

God, I hate that man.


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Czolgosz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-05 06:27 PM
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18. Not that I know of . . . . Tell all.
He was once considered a fairly moderate judge, but he went further, and further to the right as he progressed further, and further in the party.

If there are details showing how he cheated his way to the top, I'd be interested in knowing those details.
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-05 07:50 PM
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24. Electronic vote fraud in 2002 helped him out. nm
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peekaloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-05 11:31 PM
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48. I agree with you there.
The shit in Houston with Kirk's name "magically" disappearing on straight D tickets which was subsequently written off as a glitch or stupid voters who don't understand computers.
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 01:38 AM
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49. I watched my vote for Kirk go to Cornyn after I had changed it
once already. It definitely happened. That was my first time voting on the machines. I made many phone calls to complain about it. Apparently, I wasn't the only one who had called, the people running the elections were "aware of the problem" and told me "I wasn't the only one who had called about it." That's about all they would say.

The pollworkers were absolutely useless on this issue.
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Peter Frank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 02:11 AM
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50. Holy Sh**...
You mean that the travesty of absence of paper trails permeated right down to local elections?
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 02:18 AM
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51. State Senate race in Texas in 2002, that as local as I can vouch
for. I don't know if they steal at any level lower than that.
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Peter Frank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 02:49 AM
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52. What do you think about this?...
If, come next election, people who are disenfranchised by a "glitch" have a good old fashioned sit-in?

Passive resistance sure raises awareness. You see your vote change before your eyes -- you're prepared to make yourself comfortable and stay 'till the cops & maybe the press comes.

You contact election officials to no avail after the "glitch" -- you alert the press that you're going to physically visit the proper office, and stay there past closing hours if need be to get your demand for transparency heard.

If you know of others who've shared your experience -- you network and make this move together.

Local news agencies love controversy -- it breaks up the boredom for themselves & their audience. National news is a friggin' joke when it comes to controversy, unless it picks up a controversial local story -- whereby it can deflect criticism.

I'll say this -- If I'd been hoodwinked like it appears that you & others in your community were, there would be no statute of limitations on my reaction. If you believe that you & others were robbed of your vote, why not make a stink now?

You won't get your last vote back -- but you might insure that your (and others') next vote will count.



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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 11:57 AM
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57. It's a good idea. If I had known then what I know now about the
secret source code, the secret software, etc. I might have done it then. It was my first time to vote E-vote.

If enough people did sit in it could get enough attention to help.
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Czolgosz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 11:48 AM
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56. That's pretty scary. I can see how the Repukes would have a motivation to
fix a tight, important race (Bush-Gore in FL '00, Bush Kerry in OH in '04, etc.), but wasn't Cornyn comfortably ahead of Kirk in the polls? If so, why would they run the risk of getting caught rigging an election which they were very likely to win?

Caveat: please do not mistake this post as implying that I believe they are above rigging the Cornyn-Kirk election -- I'm just wondering why they would under the circumstances of that race.
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 11:58 AM
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58. They needed a test run for 2004. nm
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Czolgosz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 12:06 PM
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59. Makes sense.
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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 01:35 PM
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62. Lots of us were surprised when Cornyn "beat" Ron Kirk
Edited on Mon Nov-14-05 01:36 PM by Bridget Burke
Kirk had been a successful mayor of Dallas--a moderate Republican who got along with businessmen. Also an African-American.

An old-style conservative (non-wingnut) co-worker said he was voting for Kirk. Lots of us did. Now Cornyn ensures that K B Hutchison can keep her role as the less-insane Texas Republican Senator.

Let's hope this story grows!

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Peter Frank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 02:18 PM
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63. And don't forget Cornyn's remarks re: Violence against judges...

Here's a clip --

http://undergroundclips.com/video/cornyn_cspan.wmv


"I don't know if there is a cause-and-effect connection but we have seen some recent episodes of courthouse violence in this country. Certainly nothing new, but we seem to have run through a spate of courthouse violence recently that's been on the news and I wonder whether there may be some connection between the perception in some quarters on some occasions where judges are making political decisions yet are unaccountable to the public, that it builds up and builds up and builds up to the point where some people engage in - engage in violence."
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BR_Parkway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-05 03:50 PM
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2. K&R
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stanwyck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-05 03:58 PM
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4. And, yet, here in Georgia
the AJC is the villain for merely reporting Reed's actions with Abramoff and the National Indian Gaming Commission.
How do these self-proclaimed Christians manage to totally dismiss the facts?
It's Jon Stewart on Bush: the facts are now against him.
The facts are against Reed.
Yet his supporters blame the media.
For the facts.
I just don't get these people.
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-05 04:31 PM
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6. Why F-up the fiction with perfectly good facts eh? Sarcasm on. n.t
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Peter Frank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-05 04:31 PM
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7. From another source -- Fact...
Activist Reed says he choreographed Cornyn's push to shut tribal casino

By SUZANNE GAMBOA / Associated Press

WASHINGTON – Former Christian Coalition director Ralph Reed said in a 2001 e-mail to a lobbyist that he choreographed John Cornyn's efforts as Texas attorney general to shut down an East Texas Indian tribe's casino.<snip>

In 2001, Mr. Abramoff was working as a lobbyist for the Louisiana Coushatta tribe to prevent rival casinos from siphoning off its Texas customers. Mr. Reed, working for Mr. Abramoff as a consultant, helped organize opposition to Alabama-Coushatta and Tigua casinos in Texas.<snip>

In the Nov. 30, 2001, e-mail, Mr. Reed told Mr. Abramoff that 50 pastors would meet with Mr. Cornyn – now a U.S. senator – to urge him to shut down the Alabama-Coushatta tribe's casino near Livingston, Texas.<snip>

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/politics/national/stories/DN-cornyn_12tex.ART.State.Edition2.133747b8.html




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PDittie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-05 04:41 PM
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9. Cornyn choreographed by Ralph Reed
I knew they were gay. (Not that there's anything wrong with that...)
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Zan_of_Texas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-05 03:37 PM
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38. Great work, Peter!
Woo!
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yella_dawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-05 04:44 PM
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10. Three times during Cornyns tenure as AG
I was served for back child support. Over a thousand dollars later, I finally got a court hearing. I walked in with a stack of paper over an inch thick showing I'd overpaid. One rather massive calculation (nearly a hundred pages of printout) undeniably showed an error in the state's accounting. The AG's agent brushed off my argument with "Oh, yeah, we're aware of a software glitch." WTF! I'm paying this guy on my left $125 an hour and you're "aware" of the problem.

I walked out of court that day after the judges decision that I was owed over a thousand bucks. Thanks to Cornyn and his corrupt, incompetent stooges, it only cost me $1600 dollars to prove it.

Fuck that corrupt, evil bastard.


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Peter Frank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-05 04:54 PM
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11. Wow! Was Drownie working for him at the time? nt
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yella_dawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-05 05:03 PM
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13. Did I miss something?
I wasn't aware that the useless piece of shit had ever worked for the evil piece of shit.


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Peter Frank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-05 05:08 PM
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14. You didn't miss anything...
I was just guessing, based on the level of competence. ;)
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-05 04:58 PM
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12. This IS an important thread. I do think that everyone here should see it.
We need to develop a democratic strategy to fight these bastards. We don't have much of one now.

We can at least thank God or The Great Goddess or Whatever (Whoever) for Earle and Fitzpatrick, Dean, Boxer, Conyers, Kennedy, and a handful of other wonderful people of conscience who do truly love this country and aren't in politics or 'public service' to rape, plunder, and pillage.

What will it take for the truth to get as much airtime, as much print time, as the lies have???????

Kick.
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Peter Frank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-05 05:36 PM
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16. The roots don't get any grassier than here...
You're right; we need to work hard to get the hard facts and keep them in the public eye long enough to wear down the denial mentality some voters.

It would also help, if we bridle our emotions out of respect; and let the facts speak for themselves. I don't believe that visceral anger has, or ever will -- change one mind.
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-05 05:28 PM
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15. kick nm
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-05 06:16 PM
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17. Reed is the Choir Boy version of the Anti-Christ......
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stanwyck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-05 05:13 PM
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40. Exactly. This is the true Devil
the guy with the cherubic face and saintly facade. But read the guy's emails. He knew exactly what he was doing.
And yet people just can't see it. Or won't.
Maddening.
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-05 06:34 PM
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19. What Wikipedia says about Ralph Reed and Indian Gaming
Edited on Sat Nov-12-05 06:34 PM by Joanne98
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abramoff-Reed_Indian_Gambling_Scandal

Abramoff-Reed Indian Gambling Scandal
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This article documents a current event.
Information may change rapidly as the event progresses.

The Abramoff-Reed Indian Gambling Scandal (a.k.a. the "InGam Scam") is a U.S. political scandal involving the work done by political lobbyists Jack Abramoff, Ralph E. Reed, Jr., Grover Norquist and Michael Scanlon on behalf of Indian casino gambling interests. The lobbyists are accused of orchestrating lobbying against their own clients in order to force them to pay for lobbying services.

In the course of the scheme, the lobbyists are accused of illegally giving gifts and making campaign donations in return for political favors to several senior Republican politicians, in particular Tom DeLay, Conrad Burns and Bob Ney.

In addition to his involvement in the Indian Gambling scandal, Abramoff is under investigation by a grand jury in Guam over possibly illegal contract payments and money laundering and was indicted on August 11, 2005 by a third grand jury in Fort Lauderdale, Florida, for a $23 million bank fraud arising out of the purchase of the SunCruz casino boat company. Abramoff is also a 'person of interest' in the murder investigation of Konstantinos Boulis, the original owner of SunCruz.

Contents
1 Background
2 Allegations of corrupt lobbying practices
2.1 Allegation of double dealing
2.2 Alleged spending irregularities
2.3 American international center
2.4 Insulting references to clients
2.5 Comments by politicians
2.6 Reed's denial
3 Alleged influence peddling
3.1 House majority leader Tom DeLay
3.2 Ohio congressman Bob Ney
3.3 Senator Conrad Burns
3.4 Arrest of David Safavian
3.5 Timothy Flanigan
3.6 Deputy United States Secretary of the Interior J. Steven Griles
3.7 Senator John Cornyn
3.8 Senator David Vitter
3.9 Tom Feeney III
3.10 Richard Pombo
3.11 Mike Ferguson
3.12 William Gormley
3.13 Robert L. Ehrlich Jr./Edward Miller
4 Returned donations




Background
Abramoff, Reed and Norquist all served as officers in the College Republican National Committee (CRNC). In College, Reed would sleep on Abramoff’s couch. According to his book "Active Faith," he also introduced Abramoff to his future wife.

Abramoff was elected Chairman of the CRNC in 1983, and appointed Reed Executive Director of the CRNC in the same year, succeeding Norquist. Norquist had managed Abramoff's campaign for National Chairman and would later found Americans for Tax Reform, an anti-tax group that would serve as a fundraising conduit in the Indian gaming scandal.

At the CRNC, Abramoff, Norquist and Reed formed what was known as the "Abramoff-Norquist-Reed triumvirate." Upon Abramoff's election, the trio purged "dissidents" and re-wrote the CRNC's bylaws to consolidate their control over the organization. Reed was the "hatchet man" and "carried out Abramoff-Norquist orders with ruthless efficiency, not bothering to hide his fingerprints." (Nina J. Easton, Gang of Five, page 142)


Allegations of corrupt lobbying practices
Abramoff and partner Scanlon are alleged to have engaged in a series of corrupt practices in connection to their lobbying work for various Indian Casino gambling tribes. The fees paid to Abramoff and Scanlon for this work are believed to exceed $85 million.

In particular Abramoff and partner Scanlon are alleged to have conspired with Washington power broker Norquist and Christian activist Reed to co-ordinate lobbying against his own clients and prospective clients with the objective of forcing them to engage Abramoff and Scanlon to lobby against their own covert operations. Reed was paid to campaign against gambling interests that competed with Abramoff clients. Norquist served as a go-between funneling the money to Reed.


Allegation of double dealing
Reed repeatedly denied knowing the source of the funds used to campaign against the casinos until prosecutors released emails exchanged between Reed and Abramoff. According to emails, Reed and Norquist contacted Abramoff separately in 1999 to say they wanted to do business. Norquist complained about a "$75K hole in my budget from last year." Reed said he was counting on Abramoff "to help me with some contacts."

On February 7, 2000, Abramoff warned Reed that an initial payment for antilottery radio spots and mailings would be less than Reed thought. "I need to give Grover something for helping, so the first transfer will be a bit lighter," Abramoff wrote. The transfer was apparently lighter than even Abramoff expected. In a note to himself on February 22, Abramoff wrote, "Grover kept another $25K!" Norquist claims he had permission.

In 2000, Abramoff forced the Choctaws to give the Alabama Christian Coalition $1.15 million in installments. Norquist agreed to pass the money on to the Coalition and another Alabama antigambling group, both of which Reed was mobilizing for the fight against a proposed Alabama state lottery.

and there's more......
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abramoff-Reed_Indian_Gambling_Scandal
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Peter Frank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-05 07:04 PM
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20. That's one of the most comprehensive sources I've seen...
...for the Abramoff scandal; and there are some names I'm not familiar with on the list:

3.1 House majority leader Tom DeLay
3.2 Ohio congressman Bob Ney
3.3 Senator Conrad Burns
3.4 Arrest of David Safavian
3.5 Timothy Flanigan
3.6 Deputy United States Secretary of the Interior J. Steven Griles
3.7 Senator John Cornyn
3.8 Senator David Vitter
3.9 Tom Feeney III
3.10 Richard Pombo
3.11 Mike Ferguson
3.12 William Gormley
3.13 Robert L. Ehrlich Jr./Edward Miller
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-05 07:21 PM
Response to Reply #20
22. A lot of people read Wikipedia so it's a good place to put it....
Your not familiar with Tom Delay? You're kidding right?
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Peter Frank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-05 07:36 PM
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23. Tom Who???...
Just kidding ;) I simply reposted the entire list in order to bring attention to the players.

Actually, I believe there are some names missing. ...will do some more research.
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yella_dawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-05 07:14 PM
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21. Kick!
Keep this visible folks. This is the information that ties all the bastards who gutted Texas in one neat bundle with enough felonies to put the whole gang away. (Including a certain Chimp we all know and love.)


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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-05 08:46 PM
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25. Let me tell you....
Ed Young, IMO, gives clergy a bad name. What a jerk.
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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 01:31 PM
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61. Second Baptist (Ed Young' church) volunteers discouraged others....
From volunteering after Katrina: Several people who've gone to the George R. Brown Convention Center to volunteer have come away grumbling about Baptists....

One, Kit Van Cleave, said she was met at the door by someone in a yellow "Operation Compassion" shirt and was told, "The Baptists have taken over this facility. We don't need you. You have to go through our religious orientation to volunteer." Another said it was like "a yellow-shirted gang took over" the center....

Still, Van Cleave is upset about what she calls Baptist proselytizing. "I'm through volunteering," she says. "I was very dis-motivated to be very helpful when I heard the Baptists were in charge."

Hey, when you think of the political clout wielded by the rich westside Second Baptist, they've been in charge of things around here for a long time.


www.houstonpress.com/issues/2005-09-15/news/hairballs.html

Second Baptist is one of Houston's mega-churches. And the smarmy Ed Young does lots of TV advertising. I'd love to see him get into trouble.



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Peter Frank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 02:41 PM
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64. Young will have a hard time running away from this...
_NOV. 12, 2001, 5:55 p.m.: Reed responds: "great work. get me the details so i can alert cornyn and let him know what we are doing to help him." He adds: "talked to ed young again today. incredibly engaged and excited. he is planning on hosting a breakfast with the top pastors in houston to get them all mobilized and to provide cover for cornyn. we may invite cornyn to address them."

http://www.statesman.com/news/content/gen/ap/TX_Lobbyist_Cornyn_Glance.html

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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 05:07 PM
Response to Reply #64
65. Kick, again...
and, I stick by my earlier statement that Ed Young gives clergy a bad name. Wasn't he in trouble with the IRS a few years back, something about housing? I hope the whole Religious Right gets exposed---would be the best thing to happen to this country.
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JJackFlash Donating Member (541 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-05 09:25 PM
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26. If the satanic Ralph Reed is convicted and goes to jail
I'll start attending church services again!

"Thank you Jesus. Thank you, Lord."
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stanwyck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-05 10:29 PM
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27. I read a particularly odious Reed comment
in the AJC about how Reed "paints his face at night and executes his mission...my victim doesn't even know he's been hit until he's in the body bag".
Nice, huh? Mr. Christian Coalition fancies himself Mr. Special Forces of the Right, making political hits.
I'm sure Jesus would be thrilled to have Reed piously claiming his allegiance.
Such puffed up false machismo from these people. The swaggering John Wayne acts from these cowardly little posers. All of them. Reed. Bush. Rumsfeld. O'Reilly. Limbaugh. Hannity. Cheney.
They're not warriors. They're liars and parasites.
Not enough karma cleanser in the world to scour these criminals clean.
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JJackFlash Donating Member (541 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-05 10:32 PM
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28. Yeah, and their "victims" are their betters
Don't know how they sleep at night.
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-05 10:33 PM
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29. This really shows how the Pastors were being used and were
helping these murderers and thieves!!!
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-05 10:49 PM
Response to Reply #29
30. Pimps in the Pulpit is how I heard them described by a African American
inner city preacher.
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Sydnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-05 10:55 PM
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31. Right - there was something in it for them too
the ear of power and their gratitude for helping them get elected. Seems they should all fall under the lobbying laws instead of the tax exempt religious laws now.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-05 09:34 AM
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34. what they got was Faith Based Initiative $. Just look at the building of
mega churches that have spread across the landscape. they sold their souls to the devil for the almighty (almighty dollar that is)
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Sydnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-05 07:33 PM
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43. And wasn't it the"faith based" organizations that got the money
reimbursed for their "charity" work after the hurricanes? I wonder how it makes those people feel that dipped into their own pockets to place an "offering" in the plate for the benefit of the victims, only to see that their government gave them back their offering money. I see that as a slap in the face for those that wanted to help because it was the right thing to do. It sends a terrible message, IMHO.

It robbed them of their pride in their contribution. Had I been one of them, I would have been outraged. Charity by churches should NOT be reimbursed by the government... period.
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Peter Frank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-05 01:16 PM
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70. Here's some allegations I'll be checking up on...

    ... the Bush administration's faith-based initiatives program is patronage, plain and simple. At least, that's the conclusion of this LA Times article. In particular, the article focuses on FBI funds distributed to black church groups.<snip>

  • The money was concentrated in swing states. That's not a charge leveled by some secular hippie professor; it's an admission made by the program's director.

  • Accountability for the program is poor. $1 billion was reportedly spent in 2003, but even the government says that doesn't include all the grants, and the distributions that have been tracked include secular groups--even some state and local governments.

  • Groups with ties to the White House or the Republican party also received large grants.

  • The White House asked recipients to attend conferences in battleground states, and the director of the program spent two-thirds of his time last year in those same states.

  • "...A Capitol Hill summit on the faith initiative and the black church....was beamed to about 50 locations on a television feed sponsored by foundations linked to the Rev. Sun Myung Moon, whose Unification Church has received indirect aid through the federal faith-based initiative."


http://www.latimes.com/features/religion/la-na-faith18jan18,1,7612733.story?coll=la-news-religion
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Peter Frank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-05 03:08 AM
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68. Reed is in deep trouble... nt
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-05 11:55 PM
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32. The Family Values Gang??? yeah ...right...
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Peter Frank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-05 12:09 AM
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33. Democrats Seek Documents on Lobbyist and Bush Meeting...

NYTimes.com


WASHINGTON, Nov. 11 - House Democratic leaders called on the White House on Friday to release documents showing whether a powerful Republican lobbyist had a role in arranging an Oval Office meeting last year between President Bush and the president of the West African nation of Gabon, whose government had been asked by the lobbyist to pay $9 million to help arrange such a meeting.

In a letter to the White House counsel's office, the House Democratic leader, Representative Nancy Pelosi of California, and the senior Democrat on the Government Reform Committee, Representative Henry A. Waxman of California, said they wanted copies of "all records relating to any connections between White House staff" and the lobbyist, Jack Abramoff...<snip>

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/11/12/politics/12lobby.html

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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-05 10:14 AM
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35. ..
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yella_dawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-05 10:15 AM
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36. Kick
for the Sunday crowd.

This is important.



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Peter Frank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-05 03:37 PM
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37. AP: DeLay's staff tried to help Abramoff -- Video Report...
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-05 05:09 PM
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39. This is the Godly Party, the Family Values Team, the Adults?
Edited on Sun Nov-13-05 05:10 PM by opihimoimoi
The Nefarious Gang caught with pants down and hand in Jar.......Oh My,,,, don't they know they gonna get it from the other Pubs.

Their Actions make the Whole Pub Party look like shit...

I wonder if this infection they got is contagious?
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Peter Frank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-05 05:27 PM
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41. Have you checked out...
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-05 06:23 PM
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42. I did, the public needs to see this more...if they do,,,these guys are Toa
st.

Bad dudes these....greedy and power hungry... Altruism escapes them...
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-05 07:48 PM
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44. "Don't know how they sleep at night."
Sociopaths have no problem sleeping.
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Peter Frank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-05 09:11 PM
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45. The other cloud on Republican horizon...

UNDER FIRE: Lobbyist Jack Abramoff listened to his attorney, Abbe Lowell, as he refused to answer questions before the Senate Indian Affairs Committee last year.


GOP leaders and activists are beleaguered by alleged ties to indicted lobbyist Jack Abramoff.


By Gail Russell Chaddock | Staff writer of The Christian Science Monitor

WASHINGTON – Of all the pending controversies in Washington, few may be as perilous for the Republican majority as the one swirling around former powerhouse lobbyist Jack Abramoff.

At issue: Did he bilk, with partner Michael Scanlon, six Indian tribes of at least $80 million, evade taxes, and violate lobbyist disclosure rules? Mr. Abramoff has been indicted on fraud charges in Florida in a case related to his $147.5 million purchase of a gambling casino. He also faces probes by two Senate panels and a federal grand jury, which may yield criminal charges.

But what gives this scandal so much scope is the number of members of Congress, federal officials, and top conservative activists it potentially involves....<snip>

"We don't know yet how big a genuine scandal it may be. But with more indictments in six to eight months, it creates a perfect storm for the Bush administration. Endemic corruption plus public unhappiness over other policies: It's a very combustible combination," says Norman Ornstein, senior fellow at the American Enterprise Institute, a generally conservative think tank in Washington.<snip>

"The story is alarming in its depth and breadth of potential wrongdoing," said Sen. John McCain (R) of Ariz., who chairs the Indian Affairs panel.<snip>

http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/1114/p03s03-uspo.html


Keep a close eye on this case everyone. The party that ran on "moral principles" might just be held accountable for the FACTS that these investigations unearth.





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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-05 10:36 PM
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46. Thou shalt not steal Ralph and abrahamhoff should know
better!!!
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Peter Frank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-05 11:24 PM
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47. That's only...
...one of the commandments involved here. Bearing false witness, coveting of neighbor's goods, and possibly something even more sinister:

3 Charged in Killing Of Fla. Businessman


Anthony Moscatiello (top), Anthony Ferrari (lower left), 48, and James Fiorillo (lower right), 28, were arrested in connection with the ambush slaying of Konstantinos "Gus" Boulis.


Boulis Slain After 2000 Abramoff Deal


By Susan Schmidt and James V. Grimaldi
Washington Post Staff Writers
Wednesday, September 28, 2005; Page A03

Fort Lauderdale police said yesterday that they charged three men in the 2001 gangland-style slaying of a Florida businessman who was gunned down in his car months after selling a casino cruise line to a group that included Washington lobbyist Jack Abramoff.

Konstantinos "Gus" Boulis was killed on a Fort Lauderdale street on Feb. 6, 2001. Two of the three men charged had been hired as consultants by Adam Kidan, one of Abramoff's partners in the SunCruz Casinos venture.<snip>


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/27/AR2005092700980.html


Interesting facts, wouldn't you say?


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PDittie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 07:12 AM
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53. Local blog Off the Kuff has been all over this
Edited on Mon Nov-14-05 07:52 AM by PDittie
from the start, over a year ago:

http://www.offthekuff.com/mt/archives/006386.html

Lots of links to follow at the one above.
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Peter Frank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 11:14 AM
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55. Great info, thanks...
I posted to the blog.
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Sydnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 10:54 AM
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54. Kick n/t
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Peter Frank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 01:14 PM
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60. Abramoff could hurt Reed in Georgia race...
While rumors and accusations swirl inside the Beltway about lawmakers and their ties to lobbyist Jack Abramoff, far away in Georgia similar accusations of ethical impropriety are being bandied about in the race for lieutenant governor.

The controversy involves Ralph Reed, the former head of the Christian Coalition and a longtime friend of Abramoff who is running for lieutenant governor in that state.<snip>

Reed, who knew Abramoff from their days as leaders of the College Republicans, received millions of dollars to campaign against gambling interests that competed with Abramoff’s clients, according to several articles in The Washington Post and other publications.<snip>

http://www.thehill.com/thehill/export/TheHill/News/Campaign/102505.html

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PDittie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 08:53 PM
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66. This deserves another
:kick:
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 08:59 PM
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67. I was looking for this post today.
This scandal is the dark cloud that will lightning strike many Rethugs in Congress and elsewhere in the Bush Crime Regime.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-05 12:20 PM
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69. We must keep this in the public spotlight. It seems the only way
to get an important story to stick with the public, regardless of serious it is, is to have it repeated and remain in focus giving it time to sink in.
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