"If you don't like it in this country, why are you still here? Leave!"

Someone made the mistake of saying that to me tonight.

He will never say it to me again.

He ended up sending a kid over with a peace offering from his business to mine, and making the kid ask me for forgiveness.

Attention Repuke Wingnuts:

Do not EVER tell me to leave this country. You will slink away with your tail between your legs.


That's all I'm saying.;)

So I can steal them.

i remember it well from the 60s...and many of us did leave..as i have done. living in another country does bring with it..and it did for me..a feeling of safety and connection that one does not feel in living in the usa, but the usa is still my country. i was born there and now have a home in the usa as well as one in mexico. i never left because i didnt love my country, but i didnt feel safe their either...and even now..when i have bought a home in the usa..and do live there about half of the year, the knowing that i have developed a home in another country and have become a part of the culture here...is a feeling of great comfort..during the uncertain times in the usa. one can love the usa and still leave it..and it is not a choice..one or the other..love or leave!

There are times I have imagined doing what you have done, mexicoexpat, but damn. Nobody should TELL someone else to leave.

The desire to leave or the disgust with America does not mean you or I are now not "American." We love our country and we have the right to want it to be a better place.
:)

I saw one not long ago. Dumb pukes, they are back to using the same argument they used 40 years ago. It failed then, why oh why can't they see that it still does not work today??

I just hope every DUer is ready with a comeback for the idiots. :)

This is America. If you want a theocracy, send yourself to heaven NOW.

:kick:

Well, another thing I said:


"I could name 10 national issues that I'll guarantee you have no clue about, right now. But even though YOU are an uninformed, lazy citizen, I would NEVER tell you to leave this country.

NEVER!"

My daughter, who works for me, knew as soon as she heard him say, "Leave" that he was a dead man (conversationally speaking.) She and the other employees I manage just looked at him like he was a total fool for trying to mess with me.

EVERYONE who knows me knows I am a raging liberal and you DO NOT want to argue politics with me. I take no prisoners. :evilgrin:

And I like the "LAZY" remark - they hate it when that is used, but frankly, that is their problem. They are too lazy to be responsible citizens, hence their preference for politics in which they are directed like mindless flocks.

Their ignorance stuns me sometimes. It really does.

who used to tell this New Yorker to just "Leave if you don't like it here."

So, if I come to your house and your toilet is backed up and I try to let you know this, are you going to tell me to go home and use my own damned toilet?

"Well, no. I would fix it, but..."

Honey I was so pissed I can't even remember all I said. But I let him know that this is my country, and that my son picked up chunks of his buddies in Iraq all for a LIE, and how DARE he tell me I have no right to be here when my ancestors and my own child fought for this country.

It was ugly, especially when he tried to deny that I have the right to speak my mind guaranteed by the Constitution. He wanted to argue THAT, so he ended up getting called an idiot.

How dare he say that to me? Grrrrrrrrrrrr :grr:

If idiots like that knew of all their rights and responsibilities, they would want to leave. Participating in a representative democracy is a lot of work. You're required to be informed. As you said, that fool is lazy and uninformed. That is unAmerican.

They only have canned responses, so when you challenge them, it's like those old Star Trek episodes where they destroyed maniacal robots by pointing out the logical fallacies in their programming.

Most people here are too broke to go anywhere anyway:)

I wish that someone with connections would say that to me.

Vancouver, BC- here I come!

If they're so eager to get us out of their "Glorious New Murika." ;)

if I could AFFORD to leave I might not want to so desparately.


EDIT: said "love it a little more" but that's hardly true or fair. I love the America I was promised and my revenge will be staying RIGHT HERE until we get the freedom, opportunity, and diversity we were bait-and-switched with to begin with.

Sure, if I had the money I probably would set up residence somewhere outside this country just in case, but I want to fight for what we should be, even if what we are sucks.

The funny thing is, this guy has been trying to woo me for years to come work for him because he knows I work my ass off and I'm good at what I do. I've always just said. "I'll think about it." But now I'm certain I don't want to work for him.

ME! If I had the money, I'd pull up stakes and head for a nice SANE country, but alas, I'm poor. If only the damn EU didn't have those "employ an EU citizen if at all possible" laws... I'd have left a while ago!

MojoXN

he got an earful about the Corporate Welfare Whores. Suddenly, government handouts to the rich are just "free enterprise?" I ripped him a new one on that.

Asked him if he wanted to pay what Californians were paying for electricity. Told him he better be damned glad Enron didn't manage our electricity, and he better be glad that his electric co-op just fought Washington over doing the very same thing here. Does he want to pay three times what he pays now for "free enterprise' sake?"

Any avenue he pursued became a dead end. Arguing with Repukes is just too easy.

Once they say that, they've lost. :hi:

I am unamerican. Now when these knuckle draggers start on me i tell them point blank how come you havent enlisted bought the troops phone cards, or have your sons or daughter enlist. That shuts them up pronto.

Pretty much makes Americas new hawks shut up. Or via email..I will send a link to goarmy.com. I have also signed my friends up as "possible" recruiting targets.

He has no idea the grief I feel, that it could have been my son blown to bits, while his daughter is safely in college. How DARE he say that to me?

Gawd, that is the very worst thing he could say to me right now. I had to walk out of a store the other day because "The space between" by Dave Matthews was playing and I can't listen to that song without bawling. It was in the movie "Blackhawk Down" which was about men who were in my son's same Battalion ( before he joined up, of course).

People like him don't give a shit about the troops, but I think I put a very human face on at least one soldier's family for him.

They're all tough guys til the real fight begins. Then they hide like freakin' roaches. My roosters are braver than they are!

Tease! :evilgrin:

I was tired early this morning so I left off the details.

But I told him I loved my country and he had no right to say that to me.

"Well, if you're just going to complain about it, why stay here?"

We need change, I said. And how do you get change? Don't you know the baby's diaper is dirty when it cries or starts to stink? That's when you change it. You don't tell the baby to "leave if you don't like it in your diaper."

I also asked him if Rosa Parks should have just left? He was so out of his element, it was pathetic...

Even if you do not want to publish them, please p.m. me with some of them. I need some pointers.

It is time to let them have it with both barrels. No compromise, no making nice to be polite.

I am not afraid to speak my mind, and the second secret is that I have DU to inform me so I can make people like him look like the idiots they are.

Just get in touch with your own righteous indignation! It's your friend :patriot:

too permissive, too much sex and violence, not enuf patriotism etc etc etc. turn on your tv or radio - i bet there's some rwer complaining about america as we speak.

love it or leave pal.

when I'm "debating" a right-wing know it all. They're the ones that are so un-happy with our Nation. Maybe they should try out Iraq. They always talk about the wonderful democracy they are creating there.

and he tried to claim there is not racial bias. One of my black friends (who came to help me out last night cuz one of the white guys who works for me wanted to go home - he's sick of working) was sitting there and we just rolled our eyes at that. That's when I started to realize he was due for a one way ticket to the State of my mind.

Funny thing is, this guy ALWAYS has weed, but I guess the harsh drug laws don't apply to him....He's white. He's fine with them.

It's been shouted at me from passing cars when I was holding Clark, Kerry or "Bush is a liar." signs. My response was a "thumbs up" so other motorists would think they shouted something nice. I've heard it close up from "Protest Warriors" who crashed demonstrations. The best I could say was "Why do you support a president who is destroying our country?" Pretty lame. Even my own mother said it. That one stunned me.

I don't want to leave my country, my home, or my family. All of them are worth fighting for.

I need an effective reply for the next time.

You go postal on them. "How DARE you say that to me! My passport says I am an American. This is MY country every bit as much as it is yours."

Then, you bring up relatives who have served or built this nation. Then, you talk about what a mess ** has made of it.

Then you can remind them that this might be a good idea (to leave) since they will all be speaking Chinese soon since their prez has basically sold our country to China. You might add that guys like him never fight for their country. If all the Dems leave, they won't have a damned army!

Send him a military recruitment form and tell him to put up or shut up! :mad:

http://www.militaryenlist.com/army.htm

:hug: buddyhollysghost :hug: :patriot:

Good idea. You inspired me to make a card to pass on to "the love it or leave it" crowd.

I think I'll print that one out too. ;)

Luckily, no customers were in when I went off on him. Both of our businesses were dead at the moment.

He is friends with this Repuke bitch who just embezzled her investor's money and skipped town. I had to rub that in real hard as my last talking point. "Does she embody those Conservative values for you? She should stay, cuz she's a good American who loves ** but I should leave?" He was absolutely and completely humiliated.

But he knew he'd better do something quick because he comes in our business all the time to hang out. So even though both our places were busy with customers, his peace offering was mighty speedily delivered :rofl:

:hug:

Now that he'll be back for his libation, you can engage him with INFORMATION. Maybe a few choice articles printed out for him to read and take with him. Shatter his illusion - watch and see as we gain one more in our ranks. ;)

I am too passionate when it comes to politics, Swampy.

Normally on the mountain, speaking about politics, money and religion are verboten. I'm not even really sure how we got into it, really, except that we were talking about imprisonment one minute and the next thing I know he was telling me to leave.

Here's another development on the mountain: my sons just told me that one of our gay friends, I'll call him Mr. D, was threatened last night where he works by a little punk who is the boyfriend of one of his female co-workers. They are out in the living room discussing how they are going to kick the punk's ass.

They were supposed to come by and see me last night, and just walked in while I was posting to tell me that they ended up staying with Mr. D for a few hours instead of coming to see me because he he was shaken and needed friends around.

This is enough for another damned thread! Seems the boyfriend - a known abusive sort - decided to show up at the store where Mr. D works and start some crap. Mr. D tried to calm him down, told him he never had any strange thoughts about the punk, that he had lived in the town all his life and wasn't going to harm him in any way, and then the punk started throwing chairs around and threatening more physical violence against my friend.

HIS BOSS SAT THERE AND WATCHED and later told Mr. D is was HIS fault the whole thing happened because he CHOSE to be gay. Mr. D told the boss that no, he didn't choose that, nature made him that way.

This is an awful mess, and I will NEVER shop in that store again, even though every clerk knows what I want as soon as I step up to the counter. Screw that asshole who owns the place.

Mr. D is one of my best friends and I am so pissed right now. I am going to log off now and go get dressed and visit him. The good news is, I got him a job making almost twice what he made at the store, he starts working for my company on Tuesday.

Bye for now, y'all, and thanks for being you :loveya:

Or suggest to Mr. D that he might seek legal advice, especially if he feels his life threatened.

My uneducated guess: the boss is liable for what just happened. I hope Mr. D has a witness(es). I hope he is OK and safe. :hug:

he is ok, but pretty angry at the old boss. He is on an anti-depressant to try to quit smoking, so I'm worried about him, but he was in good spirits this afternoon.

It seems the Freeps are playing mean since they know they are losing.

I will mention the ACLU to him, but he is a low-key, forgiving kind of person. Thanks for the hug, and here's one back atcha :hug:

Now I HAVE to clean my home before the clutter and dirt take off with it!

dressed in my cilivian clothes and questioning the Vietnam War in a local bar. I shoved the bastard off his bar stool and sat on his chest with my knees on his arms. I blackened both his eyes before some of my friends pulled me off of him.

When the peace offering came, a customer I know wanted to know why he was begging forgiveness. When I told him what he said to piss me off, the customer asked matter-of-factly, "Did you hit him?"

"No," I said. But it was all I could do to keep myself from getting up and slapping him. Truly.

"Well" the customer said, "You let me know if he says that to you again and I'LL hit him for you." This customer is a big, swarthy guy who plays football. He made me laugh.

That statement just gives you a gut reaction, doesn't it? I wish you had been there last night B Calm!

:patriot:

It is indeed clear that, as our president channels the spirit of Richard Nixon, and Cheney's essence is the same as Spiro Agnew's, and the war in Iraq revisits Vietnam, that this mindless saying would be dusted off. "If you don't like this country, why are you still here?" is a question that exposes the shallow nature of the person asking it. They are either unaware of, or unabled to connect in their mind, the revolutionary history of this country, including the Constitution and its Bill of Rights, and today.

While both were dangerous crazy, Agnew at least had some respect for Indians.

He was a crook, not a killer.

that Nixon did more for traditional Indian people than any other American president. In terms of legislation, Bush1 comes in second.

Agnew's feelings about Indians might be best viewed in terms of his daughter Kim experiencing her hippie phase, wearing buckskins and beads and visiting a few reservations. It led to an off-the-cuff comment by Abbie Hoffman, which led to Spiro publicly attacking Abbie. Ah, the good old days!

with me? Questioning my right to free speech?

What the hell has happened? I ended up saying, "So, you're a Nazi then?" His head was spinning.

I guess when you have no cogent argument, you are reduced to that stupid "Love it or leave it" line. He just picked the wrong person to say it to, and I guarantee he will think twice before he says it again. ;)

to debate issues with those who are uninformed, but not aware of it.

:)

I agree with H20Man. These wackos would have said the same thing to Madison and Hamilton, and that really is the best example of the Right's disability in the area of critical thinking.

and full of koolaid.

Also, they think liberals are wimps, but as I said above, if all the Dems leave, who will fight their wars for them?

Hope you're having a nice Sunday. :hi:

nt.

and I love your FSM avatar!

I felt touched by his noodly appendage last night!

those neo-CONs like Bush, Cheney, Rummy, Freepers, etc that are doing their darnedest to destroy what is the true and real heart & soul of America. Leave this country? Like hell! It's just as much yours and my country as theirs. If we didn't CARE we wouldn't be angry and horrified at what is being done to this country by these lying, murderous, thieving, fear mongering, bigoted, anti-American, anti-Christian, RW nut jobs who are doing everything they can to pervert and kill all that truly *IS* what our forefathers and mothers dreamed of, longed for, fought for and died for. :patriot:

God/dess help ANYONE who would say such total CRAP to me. I'm not going to just roll over and shut up and I am NOT going to willingly LEAVE this country. :grr:

As for sending a KID to apologize.. I would have told the kid very nicely to tell his boss that if he truly wants to apologize he can damn well say it to my face, especially if such an assine remark was made TO my face. Sending someone else to do something like apologize IMO is the cowards way out.

and then i said to tell his boss I would forgive, but he'd better NEVER say that to me or anyone else again.

I will see him again this week, and he will be contrite and apologize in person. He's a "Southern Gentleman" that way. I imagine he sent one of his delivery kids because he was swamped at his own business but he didn't want to wait to make amends.

Yes, I am giving out benefits of doubts today. Rare for me :)

... if rats invade my house, I'm not leaving, I'm killing the rats.

I'll remember that :hi:

because what they really mean is "America, love Bush or leave it"

When I said that he has borrowed more than all the previous presidents combined, he tried to come off with this, "But he has had a lot to deal with."

Which led me on another tirade.....

How can these people be so damned loyal to such an evil freak?

I just got it from Buzzflash and have barely begun reading it, but, already know she has answers to the people who ask us to leave america.

and like the poster said: if rats get into your house you don't leave the house, you get the rats out.

america's rats need baited and trapped.

America is definetly worth fighting for..the aclu just called and I renewed my membership.

There is this song from the singer Jewel called "America" and in the song she mentions how she wants some things to change but she wouldn't ever leave it if she could. I love my country but I hate the people who want to destroy it for their selfish reason's.

regime of tearing up our Constitution I hate. I'll stay here and fight for the rights that our forefathers fought for and the bushits are breaching.

bush can go to hell..I'm staying.

I can't leave right now, for many reasons, so they'd better get used to my displeasure! Or at least don't bring up politics around me if all you can say is "leave."

My eleven-year-old can come up with a better argument than that.

My friend's brother was in town and he is a rabid, conservative Republican from Florida who's been in and out of jail a few times and he's only 20. You'd think having experienced the penal system in Florida would turn him around, but we can talk about that some other time...
Anywhoo, after I finished my Bush rant, his response was: "if you hate this country and this President so much then why don't you leave?"
So immediately turned it around and asked, "So, how much did you like Clinton?" He, to true freeper form, told me how much he couldn't stand the guy.
And my response: "Then why are YOU STILL living here?" I would have gotten punched in the face if it wasn't for my friend's quick intervention!

I will remember that one, too.

Glad you escaped unharmed. :)

And they are leaving, telling us how America is bad by making all our jobs leave.

Pity they keep their sorry spinchters in this country; the fuckers need to go to the countries where they are sending the jobs.

Why should one damn penny of our taxmoney help these leeches and vermin?!

and that's especially true when someone who is part of the problem that needs fixing pipes up with some little slogan.

good work. they sometimes mistakenly think that being a liberal means not being a fighter- so wrong, so wrong.

No probelms fighting here.

That whole "liberals are cowards" crap is made completely moot when you realize that more Dems are veterans than Repukes.

out about injustices, and to stand up to lies.

It also takes heart to speak up when your country is going in the wrong direction, that's a lot harder than swimming with the minnows.

should leave the country.

I think I'll make a list of all the people I think should leave.

Two can play that game. But my argument to him was that I believe in frredom of speech, and even idiots like him have a right to be here...LOL

:loveya: I left a decade ago. I'm abf in contrast to your awm, saw clearly what was coming and simply could.not.take.it.anymore. My jazz foremothers cornered me one day at Local 47 and demanded I get my little black ass outta Dodge. I do not regret for a nanosecond having done so. My children are now multi-lingual world travellers.

Reading your posts restores my faith.

Sweet post, (and I'm a girl but I use a boy's screename and avatar. Confuses the freeps ;))

:hug:

:loveya: Speak the truth to POWER!!!

and had to send a kid to make a peace offering. This is one of the biggest problems with these stupid...and I mean STUPID...wingnuts. They are incapable of accepting personal responsibility for anything other than attacking others.

I've heard that line of crap myself - "If you don't like this country, then LEAVE..."...I told someone the last time they said that to me that after the next election, I'll remember their sentiment, and help them pack their bags.

supposed to happen because it's the rapture?

I absolutely reamed a freep - he had no where else to go so he said that rapture thing to me.

same old same old.

When will they ever learn?

His Noodly Appendage blesses us all. :)

and hear your family being beaten and raped by goons in the living room. You call 911 on your cell before being dragged in to watch. The police arrive a few minutes later and everyone freezes. You say 'Arrest these thugs!' The police look around, realize what's happening, and tell you 'If you don't like it, why don't you just leave.'

Republicans are raping and pillaging our country and everyone in it for their wealthy ideologues, corporate goons and religious-right nutcases, and WE should leave? It's my country, not theirs, as their un-Constitutional, illegal, unethical and immoral actions have made crystal clear. So how about we lock them all up instead, and provide permanent one-way tickets out of America for anyone who supports them.

before I'll even have a political discussion with a freeper. If they can't tell me the names of their senators, their congressional rep, and name three people on the supreme court, then they need to do some homework before we can even have a discussion.

"don't like the way their children are acting"- (watch out all you terrible twos)

"I didn't like the way my kid acted so I threw him out of the car, drove away, and never looked back."
"I didn't like the way my spouse acted, so I left."

Love doesn't mean walking out- or silent acquiescence do actions that are destructive, self-injurious, illegal or abhorrent- if walking away is the LAST resort- then, that is one thing- but if it is "Love it or leave it" (no disagreements) I sincerely doubt there would be single business, family, or marriage left in this world.