OK. Let us put this baby to rest. DLC candidate in '08 or not?

Does the Democratic Party need to run a DLC, "Sensible Center", candidate in order to win in '08?

I should post a poll... "Do you wanna' win in '08"

Do you think we must run a DLC candidate in '08 in order to win. YOU seem to think it's the ONLY way to win. YOU just told me that this country wasn't going to elect a candidate who was 20 miles to the left. I want to see if the majority of DEMOCRATS on DU agree with you. Simple. Very SIMPLE. Not loaded at all. :eyes:

Ready, set, go!

he can win an election.

Thanks, point proven.

Not good enough for you? Too bad. Wes Clark has at least run in a Presidential election...unlike Warner, Mr. "sensible center."

Point proven again.

Give me a break. At least Wes has run for PRESIDENT in a NATIONAL election. Has Mr. "sensible center?"

I gave you my answer. If it's not good enough for you, that's your problem, not mine.

Clark has never proven his electability. Fact. He may have ran for president, but he did not succeed.

At least Warner has proven his electoral appeal by running and winning an election. (In a state that just so happens to lean 7-8 points to the right)

As far as running for POTUS. Warner is going to make a run, and boy is he gonna' run.

The 'shallow' comment... If Im thinking of the same person you are... I called them shallow because they kept popping into Warner threads, shouting BIG BAD DLC/Republican-lite, and running away without addressing his record or providing facts to back his claim. That would be like me popping into Clark threads and screaming CLARK WAS A REPUBLICAN. HE VOTED FOR NIXON THE CROOK AND RAY-GUN. HE SPOKE AT AN ARKANSAS REPUBLICAN DINNER. CLARK USED TO BE A PUKE!

on edit..about the "shallow" excuse. The poster must have 30 posts on that thread. He didn't make comments and leave. Me thinks YOU just didn't like what he had to say.

I'm sorry. I misread your post. I'll delete my reply to you.

By the way, I really do not pop into threads and slam Clark with shallow attacks. I may claim he has yet to prove his electability, but in my opinion, thats fair game because its true. He's Democrat, you know, I know it, and hopefully everyone in the country knows it. He's a solid voice for the Democratic agend and he has served this country in many ways -- I respect him for that.

If he goes on to win the nomination I will support him just as much as I would support Warner or any other candidate. Im a Democrat. I support the good guys.

But my answer to your question is no.

Not good to try and go from the Hill to the WH. Too much compromise is required in Congress. No matter what, there will be SOME votes that are gonna look bad when taken out of context. Since most voters just don't take (or have) the time to research all votes on all issues and what compromises were made, too much baggage to carry into a presidential campaign.

If we are gonna turn the Ship of State back to a decent and honorable course, we need a majority in both Houses. Any Dem who is there, needs to STAY there. Tearing each other apart in a primary race not helpful.

If the leading Dem candidate in '08 is a DLC'er then of course I will support him/her. This is not my first choice nor necessarily the best, but I'll vote Dem nontheless because WE MUST WIN IN '06 AND '08. Period.

I was told this country would never elect a candidate 20 miles to the left. ONLY a "sensible center" candidate could win. :)

in the primary. I really think we need to stay left, & am afraid that SOMEBODY has already decided they're conna shove Hillary down our collective throat.

if a candidate can get some massive GOP crossover mojo, it depends on the candidate him/herself, it depends on a LOT of things.

WTF is up with all the DLC shit lately? I swear, is it me, or do I see these insane "themes" where one subject, that could be covered in a solitary thread, gets five or ten separate threads over the course of a day or two? With a helping of drama on the side???


Why is that??

:hi:

If a load of GOP moderates to conservatives cannot get behind their candidate, but might stay home if someone too progressive on the other team gets the nod, then it just might behoove us to consider getting someone who can make them cross over. But if they are of a mind to stay home anyway, then why bother?

The disaffected GOP vote could influence the pick, much like the Reagan Democrats gave us eight years of Ronnie.

Right now, with all the scandal, there is no clear cut GOP successor. We hear about Howdy Doody Allen, and Mitt the Shitt Romney, but they are two SUCKY candidates--I mean LOUSY, and they could be beaten by a cheerful janitor with a mop and bucket. There's the McCain rumble, but who knows, really, how his health is, these days--is that cancer back? A clearer look at what their field will be might make a difference in the direction we want to take, and it just might influence who shakes out at the end of the day.

Then again, it might not.

I'm keeping an open mind, for now. I would like to take back the WH and at the very least, the Senate. Or the House. But it would be way more fun to have the Senate (for the advise and consent aspect, if nothing else).

policy...well yes. The left in Canada or anywhere else - when they get elected run economically as moderates. That is the reality.

So any candidate that doesn't have a clear economic policy - will never get elected.

with a poll I saw several years ago that indicated baby boomers were (generally) socially progressive and fiscally conservative.

govern fiscally soundly. Cause it works. Where they differ is on social programs - if they can be afforded.

There is no such thing as a candidate of the "left" who has a "socially progressive, but fiscally conservative" platform.

In America such a candidate is a conservative, by definition, since he/she attempts to recast the bedrock of populist/liberal beliefs into a faux "progressivism" dedicated to distracting people by playing cooperative defense attorney in the Republican's MSM-kangaroo culture war.

I think you are referring to the candidates of the "center-right upper-middle-class elite" that control the MSM and DLC. Their objective is economic "stability" = control and depriving all other Americans (non-homeowners, non-citizens, non-middle-management (union or non-union) of rights while waving the abortion and gay marriage flag to distract people from their problems. They are Quislings for the Republican party. Their objective is to establish the standard Republican ideology of Reagan as the mainstream. You might call it "defining deviancy down".

the world. Chavez is not going "outside the books" to fund reforms. No leftist candidate who wins ignores the economy. They just don't. That is the reality. Look at the leftist governors (if there are any).

to do that for a long time. Now we do know. And we all do it. You do not ignore the economy.

Labels are generic. A single label never can define a person and most of the time it means different things to different people. I belive government should be fiscally responsible with our money - does that make me a conservative republican? What one word would people use to encompass who you are?

Upon edit, why did the DLC run Clark ?

their faux leadership.

There is a 99%+ chance that I will vote for the nominee of the Democratic party in the general election. Unfortunately i am still adhering to the "lesser of two evils" philosophy when voting in national elections. Wish it were otherwise but I see nothing to convince me it will be.

Simply put there voting record would wiegh us down.

Bobby Kennedy would be murdered like his father, and Vil_SUCK is a worthless caucus robbing piece of shit.

I use it as a hypothetical.

If Bobby knew who killed his brother, he should have known they would come after him as well.

Though I certainly wish he HAD been elected. I wouldn't remember any more of his 8 years than I do Nixon's 6 years (was only 2 when Bobby was killed, and 8 when Nixon resigned) but we would certainly have a better world today as a result. :(

Uninspiring could put a corpose to sleep no principles Governor. I'm just trying to argue against this no more Senators bullshit.

I think we can win both ways.

And DINOs are complicit in the betrayal of democracy as well as culpable for the undermining of American workers.
FUCK ALL DINO TRAITORS!
I'll vote R just to protest, no shit. I cannot fucking wait!

At least vote GREEN? INDEPENDENT? Marijuana Party? ;)

If they run a DLCer, I will not vote.