So why is this woman still wearing explosives?

This image made from television shows Iraqi Sajida Mubarek Atrous al-Rishawi opening her jacket and showing an explosive belt as she confesses on Jordanian state-run television Sunday Nov. 13, 2005 to her failed bid to set off an explosives belt inside one of the three Amman hotels targeted by al-Qaida. Fifty-seven people were killed on Wednesday's attack on three Amman hotels. It can not be confirmed that this is the actual belt used in the failed attempt on Wednesday.


There is something very wrong with this picture. Either this woman never took off her explosives and she is armed and dangerous and certainly shouldn't be posing for pictures wearing this stuff. Or the picture is staged and is a clear abuse of a prisoner and puts into question the whole story about this woman and who and what she is. Either way there something stinks about this whole thing.

Good detective work. That is odd.

one would expect them to point out if they seized these as Al Qaeda pictures for use AFTER the event or whether the authorities took them, both instances raising other important questions. It would seem incredible except that strictures against touching women in an Islamic country might have created the tiny possibility that since she hadn't exploded it was OK. You have to wonder how they arrested her in the first place.

Not much really arouses the curiosity of the press, I suppose, especially if it is obvious.

where she confessed to all of her crimes. presumably after the appropriate attitude adjustments were made. BBC ran an interview with some jordanian official who made it clear, without saying it, that the woman had been tortured into submission and that the whole thing was staged for the benefit of the jordanian population. He dismissed any suggestion that this was inappropriate and that she would not be getting a fair trial.

Does she have children? My guess is that if she does she was simply informed that her children would be killed if she didn't do what she was told to do. We have such fine friends in the Middle East as we spread our Neocon Free Trade Is Democracy.

That is the staging issue the post is concerned with. If she expressed un-coerced shame at failure or sorrow or pride over her husband it actually would have been more convincing. But government propagandists rarely know how to let the truth work for them. I find it hard to jump anywhere on showcases like this without a fair trial.

The BBC reporter made it quite clear that this was anything but a free confession. I assume, from the statements made here and from the tone of horrified disbelief from the bbc reporter plus the disdain for the entire issue expressed by the jordanian official that the bogus bomb belt was part of the tv show and that the woman's coerced confession was a given.

by her husband, since he was a bomber too. I also wonder if instead of it being an instance of the bomb "failing to go off", as has been said in the UK, maybe the woman decided that she couldn't go through with killing people and thus didn't attempt to detonate the bomb.

This, of course, is just what went through my mind and I have no links or proof or anything like that. Unfortunately, when things like this happen, what we're told happened isn't necessarily what did happen, and I'm never confident I'm being told the truth. I do trust the BBC more than any American MSM outlet though.

The pic was most likely taken immediately after they disarmed the thing. I don't know exactly what happened here, but usually when this kind of thing happens in Israel, the bomber is kept a good 50 yards away from everyone at gunpoint, and is either told to remove the bomb, or a robot is sent in to disarm it. By the time all this transpires, the press is all over the place. Maybe that's what happened here, or the Jordanians had disarmed the bomb and so it wasn't really a threat anymore.

I vote for 'total bullshit'.

n/t

:grr:

Or, if it's not a BUSH PR stunt, it sure as hell is SOMEBODY'S PR stunt. And whoever it is is out to fool us all.

I don't trust one iota of the TeeVee reporting I'm seeing on this woman.

I don't know who did the Jordan bombings, and until I do know, I'm not going to jump to any conclusions. I might, however, float, or subscribe to, a few theories.

...about actors using props?

;-)

That would've made quite a show, eh?

Yahoo has several photos of this person. Very strange...



TV grabs taken from the Jordanian TV shows Iraqi Sajida Mubarak al-Rishawi, 35, who accompanied her husband on a suicide mission in Amman and failed to detonate her explosive belt, displaying her belt during a televised confession.(AFP/HO)

http://news.yahoo.com/photos/ss/events/iraq/082701iraqplane/im:/051113/photos_wl_afp/051113123117_m7rpzp75_photo2

Black white or clear duct tape would have looked much better. A blue or red duct tape belt would have been striking with a matching scarf.

With silver I think that you need to go all of the way with it:


She could at least try to soften it by accessorizing with a silver duct tape purse:



The Middle East meets Far East kimono look is interesting. The anesan obi should always be neatly tied though:



Pussy-bows are very fashionable now in the West. Perhaps this is a Middle Eastern variation.

hired for the latest Bush PR stunt.

They're STILL trying to tie Iraq and 9/11 together.

There's NO WAY Jordanian police would have let her "model" those bombs in front of a cameraman for this amount of time....if they really were in fact BOMBS!!

Dumbest stunt the bush crowd has EVER pulled.

:kick::kick::kick::kick:

Hamas baby photos....

I agree...something stinks about the entire thing!

People that it was not Israel or us behind it somehow is a good thing. I was reading more and more that the man on the street was saying somehow it was Israel. This forces them to confront the truth about the terrorists. From what I read they disarmed the explosives-they would be behind the taped belt. The belt she wore that have become common place are designed with the explosives on the inside of the belt to make the contraption more stable.

She seems to be who she says she is. The terrorists claim her as one of their own and she back up the claim. People also Id her running out of the hotel and they got her at the place the terrorists were using as a base.

because Israel and the US would never be behind such things. If you believe that then I've got some swamp land I'd like to sell you.

Define the status Quo in Jordan?

I think you are paranoid beyond help and all repair. Where is the logic in the US bombing western hotels in Addis Ababa? What good does that accomplish at all, even in a Machiavellian sense? I think I could sell you some prime swap land in the everglades in this case. I mean thats pretty FAAAR Out that you would even consider such a thing in this case.

Former foreign policy adviser to Karl Rove. Ledeen is also one the main architects of the take over of Iraq and the PNAC plan to destabilize the ME.

Check out where he's coming from and then let's talk about whose crazy around here.

I still think you are being way to paranoid. I am not talking about the picture being fake or not, thats not the point. But to suggest we had something to do with this bombing.... Thats taking it way too far for me to even consider, and thats beyond anything even this admin is capable of and thats saying alot. Take a deep breath and think about what you are believing here or trying to believe. That the US, somehow has found a way to recruit and send out suicide bombers to attack an ally, not even an ally- just some citizens in a hotel.

You can actually rationalize that thought?

while 1000's of Americans were being killed, so they could wait for the attacks to finish, then anything is possible.

Keep in mind that all of the planes were supposed to take off by 8:00 AM. If things had gone according to the plan, then the attack would have been over by 9:00 AM and Bush would have never gotten stuck sitting in a 2nd grade classroom trying to kill time. Neither would Rummie and Wolfie have to claim that they decided to continue with the meeting they were in the middle of at the Pentagon because there was nothing they could do about the attack anyway. Also Cheney, Rice, Tenet and Myers all stood around stalling for as long as they could until the Pentagon was hit. I can get you the sitations if you would like to see them?

when she was caught. They said they had her put in on because the people had a right to see it. It does seem very strange.

But if bush planted someone to be caught you'd think they'd be from Syria or Iran.

I thought the same thing. Why wouldn't they have removed the explosives from her body just as a precaution?

It may very well be the actual belt, but I wouldn't put it above them staging the belt if not the picture altogether. But it does seem to be a clear case of prisoner abuse, although I do understand the logic behind this stunt.

just removing the detonator renders it safe. RDX does make a good charcoal starter and works well for heating lunch if you need a smokeless flame.

The denial seemed rather odd, at the time. Now this. Seems there's been a over-reaction the other way. These "staged" shots are really bizarre.

The fact that some Al-Qaeda suicide bombers are women makes the threat even more dangerous. Psychologically, it makes the threat seem much broader, while in reality it also increases the potential targets that can be hit. The layering of female garments and the sensitivity that Arab culture has to the physical exposure of women to searches, makes them able to conceal explosive devices even more effectively.

This development is very alarming, indeed.

It proves that al Qaeda is in Iraq. It proves that Zarqari is alive and well. It proves that it wasn't the US or Mossad behind the attack. Plus an extra bonus, now we have to worry about any Muslim woman in robes because you never know what they could be hiding in there.

There's something very Nick Berg about this whole thing.

Al Qaeda wasn't in Iraq before we toppled Saddam - now it is. Zarqawi is Jordanian, and has returned as the self-appointed head of the armed opposition to the Heshemite regime (a la UBL) - again, not a good thing for BushCo. If the Iraqi resistance really has gone international (and this isn't a false-flag operation) that's again a very bad thing for BushCo - recall the "we're fighting them there, so we don't have to here" line, that's sure to come back and haunt the Administration.

As for the expansion of the population of potential terrorists into a universal threat - Nick Bergesque, maybe - but this marks a complete failure of the BushCo-Sharon strategy of creating stable alliances in the region while they regime change Iraq, Syria and Iran (then Saudi Arabia?), one-two-three. They can't complete their grand design if the Arab and Islamic worlds resist.

They had an office with a sign on the door and everything. Duh! :sarcasm:

a large stamp denoting MADE IN IRAQ on this contraption.

Very suspect and I doubt that the Jordanian people are as easily fooled as the American Sheeple. This went over like a lead balloon in the eyes of those within the average populace ranks.

If the story was not so tragic, much of the OUTRIGHT blunders would be almost comical: 1) changing the details of the story twice; 2) the submissive actions of a "hard corps" suicide bomber; and 3) the sordid presentation in a "price is right" atmosphere.

Come on down?!? Yeah, sure. :puke:

US to go after Iraq, starting the first Gulf War. A young girl claimed Iraqi soldiers were dumping newborns out of incubators in Kuwati hospitals. It turned out the young girl was the daughter of a Kuwati ambassador and she was coached to spout these lies. They even had a PR firm working with her.

The worst possible thing for a regime in decline is to be caught cheating its way into a wider, losing war.

That's where BushCo is now. They can't save themselves by going into Cambodia. Ask Nixon about that.

how to spell quagmire. Unfortunately, with folks like Michael Ledeen and the other neoconvicts who want to destroy the US government, this is exactly where they want us to go.

been indicted in the Plame and Franklin scandals is his long-term and continuing ties to the Bushista network. He simply knows too much about the crimes of Bush 41 and 43 for this Administration to allow the Justice Department to take him down publicly.

As much as some within the Agency and the Bureau would like to arrest him for espionage, he's under the protection of a powerful faction within US intelligence. He believes, perhaps correctly, that he won't b touched so long as Bush-Cheney is still in power.

Ledeen's latest role is to stoke up a separatist movement within Iran's oil-rich southwestern Khuzistan-Awaz province. See, http://www.aei.org/events/filter.all,eventID.1166/summary.asp

for those who missed it.

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/incubatorlie.html

The girl was Niyirah al-Sabah, daughter of the U.S. ambassador to Kuwait. The tearful incubator story was part of a multi-million PR program paid for by the rich Kuwaitis. And it was a false story. But the little war slut's lies got played repeatedly on cable news. I remember hearing/seeing it.

FEAR! FEAR! FEAR!

The likeness is stunning.

Perhaps there's a connection with Terry Jones's "Terry Jones's War on the War on Terror"?

An analyst on CNN commented that you could shoot the stuff and it wouldn't explode. He said it requires a very specific type of detonator.

To properly detonate RDX, you need a military grade detonator that has an integral booster charge, usually a small quantity of PETN. Commercial Blasting Caps like those used with Dynamite may or may not set it off, depending on the type and method of use. RDX is the main ingredient in US Plastic Explosive. Other types such as SEMTEX, use PETN and are much more sensitive.

The Jordanian authorities put the fake belt on her for her appearance on Jordanian TV. The motives to do so however weren't addressed. PR stunt, educating the Jordanian public as to what an explosives belt looks like, who knows:shrug:

because last time I checked this would be a violation of the laws regarding the treatment of a prisoner of war.

what kind of man wears armor hot dogs!?

that seems VERY odd.

Maybe she was just waiting for her hubby to blow so she could get away.

edit:how strange that they would put it back on her - it can't be the real thing unless they are incredibly stupid.

Hey you! Wanna be a suicide bomber? Male or female, they are fully indoctrinated - head cases for Martyrdom before they are sent out.

Methinks that this gal may have been, say in a US controlled prison facility and "the military spooks" were told to get a *gullible and submissive* patsy?

This does not look like someone who, with a partner would be pumped up to kill herself. Most would be "pissed off" that they were caught and would shut down.

In advance, I'm speaking with only a Masters level of Clinical Psychology training ... but the above are my genuine "impressions" ... in other words it ain't an exact science. :-)

U.S. Held Iraqi With Same Name As Bomber

"He was detained locally at the division detention facility" but was released two weeks later because there was no "compelling evidence to continue to hold him" as a "threat to the security of Iraq," the military said.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/jordan_explosion

My Point: There is evidence that the US captured one of the three Jordanian Suicide bombers. Would it be possible that it had nabbed all three and *cut* a deal. Made this woman an offer she could not refuse? :tinfoilhat:

but it is possible that she was a willing nut job. I was just thinking there might be an alternative answer because we know women really don't even rank as second class citizens in fundy cultures.

Why would she want to join her husband? He blew himself up for a pack of virgins.

Damned if I know what though.

At first I was certain the bombing was going to be pegged on Syria. But know I have idea what's going on.

I thought the same thing....hahahaha

so like, when they go to blow themselves up, are they singing,

Always look on the bright side of life... ?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/jordan_explosion




How in the hell does the Deputy Premier know what "the husband" was doing and thinking?

:)

This is about the third revision that I've heard about this part:

“My husband detonated (his bomb) and I tried to explode (mine) but it wouldn’t,” al-Rishawi said during the three-minute televised segment. She appeared anxious and wore a white headscarf. “People fled running and I left running with them.”

Seems they can't even get the basic story straight.

the public? There must be some really good journalist who is willing to raise the questions this brilliant DUer has raised.

Definitely fishy.

The Iraqi woman bomber and questions...


I find the said facts strange... maybe some of you can enlighten me.

Allegedly she tried to set off her bomb first - and when it did not go off - her husband asked her to leave the room. Why would he do that? Why did they not set off the bombs at the same time as one would expect? Why would she try and set her own bomb off first?

It does not really make sense.

Why is she wearing the bomb on TV? Don't you think they would get the thing off of her before lining up the press for photo ops?

The question is - who benefits from linking al-Queda in Iraq? Who benefits from a terrorist attack in Lebanon?

It does nothing positive for Iraq or the insurgent movement. Hitting on your neighbours is not the best way to make a statement. If anything the act is detrimental and could possibly affect funding for the Iraqi resistance.

It puts more pressure on Syria's doorstep - I am waiting for the link to Bashar al-Assad, Syria's president to come next... Good for the US and Israel.

It firmly ties al-Queda and Iraq - which provides more fuel for Bush's, "Iraq is the front on the War on Terror" spin and settles into the Saddam=al-Queda meme quite nicely for the morans.

I know there are terrorists - don't get me wrong. I do think that 'al-Queda' - or whatever you want to call a large group of pissed off militant Muslims who despise the West, exists... and they are aiming at western interests in order to halt the violent form of 'democratization' that the US is pounding on the region.

This Jordan issue just seems to be dominating CNN International in Europe - over and over and over and over - for days and days and days....

Iraq tragedies never even get coverage. It's disgusting.

For all the obvious reasons, the corporate media has ignored the fact that the black op going under the name of the dead Jordanian cretin al-Zarqawi consistently targets innocent Arabs (including no small number of Sunnis) and in the case of the Amman bombings has managed to kill high level Palestinians and a delegation from China’s University of National Defense. As usual, the corporate media beats the propaganda drums, stating that “al-Qaeda in Iraq” is behind the attacks (and repeating ad nauseam the easily dismissed fairy tale al-Zarqawi runs the Iraqi resistance) while never seeming to realize the bombings benefit Israel and the United States. If indeed al-Zarqawi is alive and working in Iraq as the corporate media (using administration and Pentagon provided scripts) claims, he is the stupidest and most counterproductive element in the Iraqi resistance.

http://kurtnimmo.com/?p=115

and Chinese 'students' taken out;

Palestinian-Jordanian wedding party bombed as a 'diversion';

Mass Media rallies to the 'cause' and follows script...

Who can't smell it?

her wearing explosives http://www.spacewar.com/news/iraq-05zzzzzo.html

I also wondered if her husband had ordered her to be a suicide bomber with him and could she have disabled the bomb herself keeping it from going off? I think a lot of questions need to be asked to find out what really happened.

A small well lit room, several "hollywood" types sit behind a folding table comparing notes. To the side of them sits a video camera.

Exec #1: Who's next...

Casting agent: This one was sent over from William Morris...Hmmm (shuffles papers)...Mary Wheeler...

Exec #2: isn't that a bit, shall we say...white sounding for someone to be cast as a middle eastern woman?

The Casting agent shrugs his shoulders.

Exec #1: Ugh...alright, send her in...

In jumps an overly excited very blond very white very blue eyed bombshell, that would fit better in a Victoria Secrets commercial.

Mary: Hi, how is everyone!!

Mary bounces around like a new puppy. Very energetic. All smiles.

Casting Agent: Umm, Mary, you know that this is for the part of a Middle Eastern Woman, right?

Mary: uh huh.

Exec #2: and you feel you can affect a Middle Eastern accent?

Mary: uh huh.

The people sitting exchange looks...

Exec #1: well okay then. You read the part out in the green room, do you need another moment to look at the lines?

Mary, still all smiles, beaming in fact, like a contestant in a Miss America beauty pageant.

Mary: Nope...

Casting Agent: (clears throat) Well, Mary, go right ahead...

Mary: Okay, give me a moment to get into character...

Mary turns her back to the panel. She seems to go through a physical change. Shoulders sag, head drops, rolls her hips slightly forward, pulls her hair back and dons a scarf. She turns around. the transformation is amazing. From Cheerleader to Middle eastern woman. The groups mouths are agape at the change. Mary breaks into the script in a dead on Middle Eastern accent. Upon finishing the group gives her a standing ovation. Mary turns back around, straightens up, fixes her hair and represents herself to the panel.

Mary (bright and cheery once again): How was that?

Exec #1: Brilliant!!

Exec #2: Fantastic!!!

Casting Agent: Unbelievable!!!!

Mary: Do I have the part?

Exec #1: We'll get back to you...

Rim-shot! Badda-bing!

Wait till she can go to WalMart...she can then have a paisley burka.

The news said she 'modeled' it for the press. Pretty damned bizarre.

why were there two bombers in the same room? Has this ever happened before? I can only remember one bomber at one place. There is an interesting article in: http://www.breakfornews.com/articles/AmmanInsideJob.htm
This was in another thread and also cross posted in Editorials and Articles. It has a pretty good theory if you believe in following who has what to gain (follow the money). Also didn't they find explosives in a fourth hotel in Amman? I know I heard that a couple of times on tv then it seemed to die out of the so called news.

As I recall, this woman is the sister of a top aid to Zarqwai (sp) so her husband must be a big dog in this bunch too -

One of the bombers was in custody in Iraq for a couple of weeks and released -

These people appear to be important people in the Iraq terrorist group - so, what has our intel/military in Iraq been doing? Can we do anything right there?

I really doubt all the above stories. Nothing fits. Is it a dumb and dumber situation. Sorta like, why out Plame? To shut CIA/intel up. Why the attacks in Jordan? Propaganda for who?

than a week. Whoever was behind these attacks screwed up if they thought this would rally Muslims to their cause. It has the exact opposite effect. This sure reminds me of the Nick Berg situation, a possible black psyops.

Wow shocking... surprising... talk about luck! And now it's not true allegedly.

Israelis evacuated from Amman hotel hours before bombings

By Yoav Stern, Haaretz Correspondent


A number of Israelis staying on Wednesday at the Radisson hotel were evacuated before the bombing by Jordanian security forces, apparently due to a specific security alert. They were escorted back to Israel by security personnel.

The Foreign Ministry stated Wednesday that no Israeli tourists are known to have been injured in the blasts. Representatives of Israel's embassy in Amman were in contact with local authorities to examine any report of injured Israelis, but none were received. There are often a number of Israeli businessman and tourists in Amman, including in the hotels hit Wednesday.

Israel's counter-terror headquarters on Wednesday recommended Israeli citizens not travel in Jordan. Travel warnings regarding Jordan were tightened a few months ago, but many Israelis still visit the country. Many also visit other regions such as the Jordanian Arava and the ancient city of Petra.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Israelis+evacuated+from+Amman+hotel+hours+before+bombings&btnG=Google+Search

self delete

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All propaganda all the time.