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mopaul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 06:19 AM
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If they Lied to us to start a war, what ELSE might they have Lied about?
remember what they said about clinton, once he's been caught in a lie you can't believe a damn word that comes out of his lyin' mouth. and they impeached him based all on one tiny little insignificant lie.

now, if bush has been determined to be a fucking liar, how can be believe anything he says from now on, or from the past? if he'll lie about war, he'll lie about other stuff too, like the bush/bin laden connection, and what happened on nine eleven.

surely the lies about war were the ONLY lies he's told us right? surely he gets a pass for just one, little lie about war right? but what if it were discovered that EVERY SINGLE WORD out of his mouth has been a lie from the very beginning?

if bush said the sun was coming up today i'd call him a fucking liar just out of general principal. i've never believed a word he's ejaculated, not one single word, so i don't really feel all that let down or shocked that he's a chronic, congenital liar.

even though i have a tiny, burnt out brain, i KNOW he's lied to us about some very serious matters, other than the war. he's lied about everything. his military past, his qualifications for the job, he's lied to us about osama and saddam, he's lied to us about taxes, gas prices, the deficit, the economy, unemployment, every damn thing.

the man they call the president is a damn liar and it's not some new development, he always was a damn liar, and he will lie to us again in the very near future about some very, very serious matters.
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 06:23 AM
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1. Everything else!
Once someone lies to me, I can never trust them again.
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Spinzonner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 06:35 AM
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2. Whattaya Got?
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izzie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 08:29 AM
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14. I am with you. Any thing goes to keep the big one going.
Plus you have people who seem to think they are right about every thing and they know what is best for us. As my ex used to tell me. I just tell you what you wanted to hear. Go back to when Bush ran. He told the people what they wished to hear. Truth just got lost in the whole thing.
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thefloyd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 06:42 AM
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3. Bushco rode wave of fear after 9/11.
Edited on Mon Nov-14-05 06:51 AM by thefloyd
Unfortunately America was Manipulated by Bushco and supposed paper of record NY Times. Every time I run into ex Bush supporters I really want to hold those people accountable. However, Pretty sure those who no longer support Bushco have already devoted serious thought to their mistakes and hopefully next election will understand voting is a responsibility. Hours of reading from several sources, not just cable news or other traditional outlets but blogs, different newspapers from across america, Editorials from each sides base. I doubt in my lifetime at least, Rove politics will work. You are either patriotic or with the enemy,
Hopefully if Rove politics comes again people will show more backbone and stand up to lies or rhetoric spewing from democrats or republicans. Who knows.
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 06:56 AM
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4. What haven't they lied about?
That would be an easier question to answer.
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bananas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 07:08 AM
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5. That's not so easy to answer either
Edited on Mon Nov-14-05 07:08 AM by bananas
I spent hours trying to find something they haven't lied about,
and couldn't come up with one damn thing.
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 07:15 AM
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6. Here is a place to start.
bush lies.
This blog attempts to track and document the unfathomable dishonesty of the current Occupant of the White House and his minions.
bush-lies.blogspot.com/

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bananas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 08:56 AM
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15. His last post was in February
"I stomached the entire State of the Union address and observed something I already knew: W can’t go five seconds without contradicting himself or just plain lying."
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 07:21 AM
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7. If they'd tell that big a lie to go to war over Bush's "Daddy Issues"
He'd lie simply for the sake of lying even when the truth would serve him better.
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cassiepriam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 07:36 AM
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8. Someday we will find out that the lies were much wider and deeper
than even we imagined.
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LizW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 07:39 AM
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9. The sound of the nail being hit square on the head!
The torture thing is going to finally bring Bush down. It's simple, easy to understand, and happened close enough in time that people didn't get distracted and forget.

Day 1: Bush: "We do not torture."

Day 2: Hadley: "We won't rule out torture."

The American public: "Wait a minute..."

Who is the President of the United States? What is our policy on torture? If it is that we do it sometimes, then why did George get up there and say we do not do it?

Could it be that he is a LIAR?

Leaders get away with lots and lots of lies, but eventually, EVENTUALLY, the people get fed up with being blatantly lied to.
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 07:42 AM
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11. Either * is a liar or he is not in control of his administration.
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M155Y_A1CH Donating Member (921 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 08:04 AM
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12. Either or?
I'd be willing to bet it's both.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 09:42 AM
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18. You know it's coming....."Depends on what the meaning of
Edited on Mon Nov-14-05 09:42 AM by WinkyDink
'torture' is." I'm SERIES!!11! Bush might think poking someone in the eye with a sharp stick is the very definition of "fun"! And those naked pyramids? Pffft! He loved those Skull-and-Bones days! Being led naked on a dog-leash? Oh, yeah, when Condi wears her Ilse Koch boots! Water-boarding? Isn't that what the kids do at Kennebunkport?

(BTW, Bill was absolutely grammatically correct in his " 'is' is" syntax. He was asked if he "is" involved with ML. Well, since it was in the past, and Clinton was more astute than his interrogator, Bill called him on the verb tense!)
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 07:41 AM
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10. false reasons for other wars:

Nigaragua : "serious military threat to the US" (Reagan)

Gulf War 1: babies thrown out of incubators - fabricated story.
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 08:15 AM
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13. I think it may be easier to list the things they haven't lied about n/t
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 09:01 AM
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16. Until we can knock down the term "war on terror" and separate it from
what they are doing like Iraq, they will continue to fool and mislead the uninformed.
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spooked911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 09:03 AM
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17. 9/11 terror 9/11 terror 9/11 terror 9/11 terror 9/11 terror 9/11 terror
well, you get the idea. ;)
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BamaBecky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 12:35 PM
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34. That's exactly right! They LIED ABOUT 911
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EuroObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 09:51 AM
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19. I suspect they were not lying about not being reality-based n/t
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 10:24 AM
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20. Everything.
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davhill Donating Member (854 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 10:31 AM
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21. Ecconomic figures
Inflation, trade deficits, unemployment. Everything that comes out of the government's mouth is now suspect.
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 10:34 AM
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22. they actuaLLy didn't catch chLamydia from the toiLet seat
i knew it!
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swimboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 01:26 PM
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37. May they all experience inflamed personal holes.
To hell with the lot of them. :grr:
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 10:53 AM
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23. Sure they will, especially this bunch because they have their backs
against the wall, nothing like a trapped animal and when trapped man is an animal. And yes Lying is what Liars do.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 10:57 AM
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24. every fucking thing
everything

it is literally true that you can tell they are lying when their lips move. the bushturd is personally a congenital liar. he is incapable of not lying. Every position, initiative and policy of the repukes is based on lies.
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electropop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 11:39 AM
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29. Lied about Social Security, lied about Medicare.
Edited on Mon Nov-14-05 11:45 AM by electropop
Said they were going to "save" SS; actually want to siphon the funds off into high-loss high-commission corporatized funds run by their Wall Street cronies.

Said they were going to "help" seniors with prescriptions; actually want to send hundreds of billions to their Pharma cronies with negotiations forbidden and very little delivery of actual drugs.

On edit: fired the guy who revealed Bush also lied about the cost of the Medicare drug scam: actually $600 billion vs claimed $400 billion.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 12:37 PM
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35. totally every fucking thing! Mound of cockroaches!
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Marleyb Donating Member (736 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 11:00 AM
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25. too funny
I just saw this picture at uruknet


The truth is that virtually everything Bush says is the exact opposite of the truth. The Patriots fighting to stop this war, this killing for profit, are not rewriting history - Bush is. Bush claims he didn't lie, they used the best intelligence... bull- they lied, here's some proof...
http://uruknet.info/?p=17806&hd=0&size=1&l=x
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 11:12 AM
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27. That is great.
I will be turning it into a bumper sticker this afternoon!
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 11:09 AM
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26. The lies we already KNOW exist are just the tip of the iceburg
That much we can be certain of.

I've been wondering the same exact things you have, mopaul. It would probably blow our fucking minds if we realized the actual extent of the lies and corruption that we've MISSED.

Good post and nominated.
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 11:16 AM
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28. W told the truth after 9-11when telling partisans he had hit his trifecta
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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 11:58 AM
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30. anyone remember Kenneth Steadman?
http://www.buzzflash.com/mailbag/2002/05/13_mail.html

excerpt:

Let it be known that the Bush Administration has done yet another "bait and switch" tactic. On Friday, the Bushies had to act like Rumsfeld was against the Crusader (lie lie lie) and they had to act like White was in deep shit (another game) - with this obfuscation, they could get rid of someone that may have been bothering them - KENNETH A. STEADMAN, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, VETERANS OF FOREIGN WARS

See this link to see what concerned Mr. Steadman:
http://www.house.gov/va/hearings/schedule105/feb98/hearing2-12-98/vfw2-12.htm

Your readers need to understand that whatever this group of thieves is out to sell them will ring as more hollow lies. If they say they are "for" something, watch for whatever "it" is to disappear. If they say they are "against" something, wait for it to happen.

The truth about these people, is they are dishonest and are a bunch of pathological liars.
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typeviic Donating Member (12 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 12:01 PM
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31. lies
Who knows about their lies, with the media on their side we might never know.
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sellitman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 12:07 PM
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32. They only lie when....
You see their lips moving.
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CrispyQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 12:08 PM
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33. a joke
When Air Force One goes down somewhere in rural America, a Secret Service task force is sent out to find the wreckage. They find it in a big field & upon inspection, discover there are no survivors or bodies. About 1/4 of a mile away, a farmer is plowing his field. They hike over & approach him.

"Sir, did you see the crash? Do you realize it's Air Force One?"

The farmer climbed down from his tractor. "Yes I saw the whole thing, & yes, I know it is Air Force One."

"Well, where are the survivors?" the SS asks.

"There were none," the farmer replies. "I spent most of the morning burying them."

"You mean the President is dead?" they ask, incredulously.

"Well, he said he wasn't, but you know what a liar he is!"

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whatever4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 12:58 PM
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36. The better question is what, if anything, has he been honest about? nm
see tag line
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wiggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 01:43 PM
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38. This is what I don't get
Why hasn't a bigger issue been made about how Iraq incompetence and hidden agendas are patterns that extend into every damn policy area? THIS IS SUCH AN EASY CASE TO MAKE!!

Medicare lies
Increased government secrecy (increase time till papers released)
Secret energy task force
Changed scientific reports (ie grazing impacts, greenhouse gas impacts)
No Child Left Behind implementation
Getting to bottom of Plame stuff
9/11 and Sibel
Lobbyists in charge of government
A hundred more...

The issue of dishonesty, secrecy, and manipulation of the truth has been there as an issue for years. Yet journalists and the opposition party have allowed the adminstration to compartmentalize discussion and not link one thing to another. I don't get it...again.

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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 01:59 PM
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39. ABC Guide To Bush Scandals
You are absolutely right Mopaul. It's time to roll out the rest of the scandals and keep hammering it home. What else has he lied about?

A is for the Abramoff Fundraising Scandal, Asbestos bailout,

B is for the Body Armor

C is for Clear Skies and tripling mercury emissions, Chalabi Iranian spy, now head of Iraq Oil Ministry

D is for DFI, Darfur, Downing Street Memo

E is for Energy Task Force,

F is for Fake News, Fake Terror Alerts,

G is for Gannongate, Geneva Convention violations

H is for Healthy Forests, Humvee Armor

I is for IRAQ War Lies

J is for Judicial Radicals

K is for Kyoto Climate Change lies,

L is for LIES LIES LIES LIES LIES

M is for the Medicare Accounting Lies,

N is for the Nuclear Option, NCLB, Nuclear Weapon research

O is for Oil for Food (52% US kickbacks),

P is for Poindexter's Terrorism Futures Market, Privatization lies

Q is for Quagmire

R is for Richard Perle Influence Peddling, opening roadless areas

S is for Star Wars Missile Defense failure,

T is for Torture Scandal, Abu Ghraib, Afghanistan & Gitmo, tax give-aways

U is for UN nominee spectacle John Bolton, UN bugging, Underfunding Homeland Security

V is for Valerie Plame, vaccination crisis, gutting Veteran's Benefits

W is for Wildlife Refuge lies

X is for Camp X-Ray

Y is for Yucca Mountain lies andscandals of forged documents

Z is for Ground Zero EPA Lies

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swimboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 12:06 PM
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40. Good work, sandnsea!
:thumbsup:
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