Ed Schultz is an intellectual lightweight! Dean didn't do well on MTP?

Either that or he doesn't listen very well. Dr. Dean did a great job
he stopped the repug talking points*, called bush a liar for this war,
HE GAVE THE DEMO BROAD PLAN, and showed where Ken Mehlman,
was lying.

Ed needs to listen more and quit going for the easy sound bight.
Why should Dean give the repugs ammunition when they are
hanging themselves? So what if he did not give the dem plan
for everything. He said that is up to the individual person and
that very soon a platform will be laid out.

BTW w/ Dean as chairmen we won big last week .... and he is taking
that strategy nationwide ... a blue print for national success .... accross
the country.

"I am a democrat because of my values." Dr. Dean 11/13/05 on MTP

* which Tim Russert was more then happy to bring up.

the Wing Nut's talking points.

Ed has never liked Howard Dean. He is closer to the DLC clowns than Dean is.

First we don't have a plan.
Then the plan doesn't cover everything.
Finally, when the plan does cover everything - it will be too complicated.

The voters just want to make sure gays terrorists can't have abortions with taxpayer money.

Am I missing something?

If he gave a detailed plan 20 young repugs would go over it with
a fine toothed comb and look for any weakness and then get their
sound machine to blow up that one or two weakness nationally
and then put Dean on the defensive. bush is hanging himself ....
the whole country is watching .... the RNC wants to distract from
that ..... Dean will not be played like that.

The right will find fault with it. And the reasons won't make any sense.

And they could steal some of the plans and claim them as their own and win elections.

prevent the abortion loving gay terrorists from taking their guns, right to pray, and the celebration of Christmas.

So don't be surprised -- and switch to Randi.

if you ask me, but that is just my opinion. Personally, I don't think we should expect our disc jockeys turned pundits to be all that much smarter than their disc jockeys turned pundits. They are what they are, a voice getting our message out there, but I don't expect them to be brilliant.

http://mediamatters.org/items/200506170001

Dean fund-raising lie persists among conservatives

The conservative media continues to falsely assert that Democratic National Committee (DNC) chairman Howard Dean is an ineffective fund-raiser. In the past week, Weekly Standard executive editor Fred Barnes, New York Post columnist John Podhoretz, and Washington Times chief political correspondent Donald Lambro all cast Dean as a fund-raising failure. In fact, when compared with fund-raising in the most recent non-election year, Dean has raised more money in raw dollars, and more in comparison to the Republican National Committee (RNC), than did his predecessor.

As Media Matters for America has documented (here, here, and here), Dean raised $14.8 million between February and April 2005, versus $8.5 million raised by former DNC chairman Terry McAuliffe during the same time period in 2003. Dean has also raised more money than McAuliffe relative to RNC fund-raising. The RNC raised $32.4 million between February and April 2005, about 2.2 times the rate of the DNC; over the same period in 2003, the RNC's $25.7 million was more than three times what the Democrats raised. An article in the June 20 edition of Newsweek by chief political correspondent Howard Fineman and national correspondent Tamara Lipper noted how Dean has been effective at soliciting smaller donations:

Officials estimate that $12 million of the $14 million the Dean regime has collected so far this year has come from those who gave less than $250. "For people who really look hard at the numbers, he's wowing people," says Elaine Kamarck, a respected DNC member."
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Also send this Kos diary to Big Eddie, which debunks the lies about this week.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/11/14/125530/33
"So Dean has cut the RNC's traditional 3-1 advantage (or more) in fundraising to a 2-1 advantage and raised $11 million more than McAuliffe raised in 2003. Not to mention that Dean's numbers come the year after a presidential election -- the worst political fundraising time possible, while McAuliffe's came during the presidential cycle. Meanwhile, the RNC has remained static.

Dean has also been fundraising in the states, FOR the states. Past DNC chairmen would sweep into Lousiana or California, raise some money, and then ship the cash off the DC. Dean has garnered raves in the states for funneling that money to the local parties. Those are dollars not tallied in the RNC versus DNC comparisons. Mehlman isn't out tirelessly raising money for state parties. "

More at the link....I dare you to send these to Big Eddie.

because Dean doesn't drop everything to come on Ed's show whenever Ed asks. The last time I heard Dean on Ed's show, Ed yelled at him for not coming on when asked.

Ed you keep pushing that stuff, you sure do make Hilliary happy.

Those guys do show up on the show because both they and Ed are trying to reach out to the Joe sixpack economic issues as a foundation. And both are feeling left out in the cold along with those issues and audience.
Maybe Dean has a reason for not spending more time on that bridge but maybe at least for the audience outreach he might work with Ed a bit more, unless Ed actually is a voice for those trying to undercut Dean and bend him to the DLC, or weighted party establishment, way.

Ed should remember he is a bit of lightweight to try and pass judgment on platforms Dean can't write by himself. Funny that the guys that appear with Ed and agree with him have not exactly gotten a populist platform out there or helped the party give Dean one to make Ed proud.

The fact that Dean WAS good makes Ed's comments a crusade not constructive for Ed's putative causes. The benefit I will give Ed though is in being a bit light, as with Springer and some of the comedians. The champ of current talk radio is hopefully one that knows his/her limits.

.... we just live in it.

She knows her limits but she also reads and listens to the
entire show or article before cracking wise .....

Schultz was talking out of his ass.

Dean's job is to get dems elected and he is doing very well so far
it is up to the individual person to state their positions on
different issues ..... and Dr. Dean said that.

Ed does a good job of reaching a broader audience but he should
put the brain in gear before talking sometimes.


Stephanie :loveya: Miller

They crack me up ,I love that show too.

I wish I could get the archives for free though. *sigh*

Too much ego. He seemed to be mostly about him.

And, yes, it is ALL about him. I was starting to get a little tired of him right before Katrina, but that's when I stopped listening to him entirely. He could barely talk about anything else except how he went to the area and brought back a family. He made it sound as if he was the only person in the country who did anything to help. And, when he did dare mention anything else about the situation, it was full of disinformation and half-truths.

He's a dangerous sort - he spews incorrect information as absolute truth and many listen to him not knowing the difference. Then you have a very misinformed audience acting upon distortions and untruths. You can see the remnants of the Republican in him.

He's on a lot of Air America stations, but he's not really part of Air America Radio. I've written both my local station and the national corporation and asked them to take him off the air for the very reasons listed above. This kind of "help" we don't need!

n/t

I can handle the criticism of Dean, even if I think Ed is overly harsh on him. People here are equally harsh on other people and many others feel awful that DUers bash those Dems. It's all on whose ox is being gored huh?

Thin skin aint gonna win us anything people, I'm glad Ed is hard on Dean.

All his arguments for why Dean would be bad for the Democratic Party struck me as bing suspiciously similiar to the Right Wing talking points. I am not saying the guy is a plant, I just disagree with his rational on attacking somebody that truly helps the Democratic Party.

for their vigilante actions at the US/Mexican border.

He is a good voice for labor though, so I will give him credit where credit is due.

Very weird.....

the job the way it should be done! 1000 $10 donations is $10,000, etc.

He's getting used to being on camera and around them. I always love seeing Dean slam the rightwingers. I'm proud he's our chairman and was really happy and excited when he got the job. I think it's wise to not tell any plans until next year when it's election year. I'm sure there's probably some things getting worked on as well.

from what I can gather. He's been criticizing him from the day I started listening (which has been a little less than a year).

He fails to recognize or even remember all the dust up when Dean became Chair of the DNC. One thing Democratic Party leaders made statements about is that Dean won't make policy: THE LEADERS make the policy. Dean's hands are tied to a certain extent when it comes to rolling out vision and statements about them.

It seems to me that Schultz has put expectations on Dean that will never be met. I don't know what his position was on Dean during the 2004 campaign season, but I suspect it wasn't a favorable one.

Dean's job is to help with campaigning and raising money and doing the press and to tell what our plans are. He doesn't make the plans and he shouldn't have to.

got cut off. They sent her an email, said they would be setting up an interview. She thought she got cut off on purpose, but they say she did not.

I sent them research, told them I would be their Newshounds...that a group of us would do their research so they would not have to do so.

I got an email back, rather short, but it said thanks for the info.

I sent the transcript and video from MTP, since they said Dean did not talk about Kaine, apparently.

I quit listening long time ago, got all this from the blog.