Hardball-Biden speaks out against torture/secret prisons-then WHY

liveoaktx

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Tue Nov-15-05 05:17 PM
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Hardball-Biden speaks out against torture/secret prisons-then WHY

did he vote for Abu "Torture Pimp" Gonzales?

Hypocrite

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indepat

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Tue Nov-15-05 05:22 PM
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1. Why did any senator vote for Gonzales?

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napi21

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Tue Nov-15-05 05:28 PM
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2. I'm not sure who you would have preferred as AG, but

I think Gonzales is a heck of a lot better than Ashcroft ever thought of being!

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liveoaktx

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Tue Nov-15-05 05:31 PM
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3. That's a poor argument- would you prefer the meal with minor

ptomaine poisoning or the botulism delight? Gee, I'd rather have a mild case of ptomaine, that's a heck of a lot better than botulism.

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napi21

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Tue Nov-15-05 05:54 PM
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6. OK, let me rephrase it.

WE all know Shrub would nominate a RW conservative to the AG position. I don't see any other option but to choose the best of a lot of objectionable candidates.

Gonzales seems knowledgable of the law, and at least has demonstrated that he will step aside and name a Special Presecutor when he has a conflict of interest.

At least he took the damn drapes of the statue in the justice dept.

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liveoaktx

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Tue Nov-15-05 06:00 PM
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7. But possibly a second choice for AG wouldn't have been one of the

collaborators on a torture memo. Dems, as far as I'm concerned, would have been better off voting against him, instead of saying, as Biden did "I like you, you're the real deal". Maybe he would still have been confirmed with more votes from Reps, but the morality issue of torture would not then be hanging like an albatross around Biden (or others) necks.

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annabanana

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Tue Nov-15-05 07:33 PM
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10. Hmm..... Ashcroft / Gonzales..

Ashcroft DID recuse himself when it came to picking a special prosecutor... I think he was a deluded holy roller.. but I think Gonzales (who has been making legal excuses and loopholes for the B*sh family's bad behavior for years) is worse.

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indepat

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Tue Nov-15-05 07:34 PM
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11. Ashcroft a 1, the torture king a 1+

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Strawman

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Tue Nov-15-05 05:44 PM
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4. he wanted to look "muscular"

Edited on Tue Nov-15-05 05:46 PM by Strawman

Joe's a straight talking maverick Senator, you know.

Can't stand that walking Brylcreme ad.

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Beelzebud

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Tue Nov-15-05 05:45 PM
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5. Biden speaks out

Edited on Tue Nov-15-05 05:45 PM by Beelzebud

of both sides of his mouth...

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Art_from_Ark

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Tue Nov-15-05 07:29 PM
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9. I used to like the guy, back in '88

When he was running for President and was actually talking like a real Democrat.

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flordehinojos

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Tue Nov-15-05 07:20 PM
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8. i don't like biden either ... i agree with you that he is quite the

hypocrite!

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