Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Al Qaeda- direct descendants of the Nazis.

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (Through 2005) Donate to DU
 
Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-05 07:13 PM
Original message
Al Qaeda- direct descendants of the Nazis.
We DO know who Al Qaeda are. They can't say they didn't know. I just listened to an interview of John Loftus. He discussed how the Muslim Brotherhood was kicked out of the Nazi party, and shipped to Saudi Arabia. And how Al Qaeda are their direct descendants. They even had access to the White House. The name Grover Nordquist was mentioned a few times. Sorry, I don't have total recall. But the show is very enlightening.

The archived show will be here-
http://wfmu.org/playlists/DX

It's show number 532, and it hasn't been archived yet. But if you're interested in hearing it, I suggest checking it.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-05 07:16 PM
Response to Original message
1. If I remember correctly Nazi Germany was predominantly Christian n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-05 07:18 PM
Response to Reply #1
2. It depends on what political ax you have to grind
As for the Nazi / Muslim Brothhood / Al-Qaeda connection, I find it hard to believe; the Nazis were Nordic supremists, no?

And Grover Norquist, if it is the same guy, is the Tax Reform madman who said he wanted to get government small enough to drown in a bathtub.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
notadmblnd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-05 07:39 PM
Response to Reply #2
12. You'ld be right about Norquist
but he has also been involved in woking with Muslims and their charities . In factif I'm not mistaken, they occupied space in the same building.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-05 08:39 PM
Response to Reply #12
20. I thought he was
I remember reading about him and that.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-05 08:20 PM
Response to Reply #2
14. The Nazis aligned with The Ottoman Empire and much of the Mid-East
I was just watching a good war movie about it a few weeks back, too.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-05 08:34 PM
Response to Reply #14
16. They aligned with Stalin too
But they still clearly hated Communism.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-05 08:38 PM
Response to Reply #1
19. I believe publically they were and used Christianity
I think private they were into the cult (sounds familiar doesn't it?).
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
LSparkle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-05 07:18 PM
Response to Original message
3. Grover Norquist a Nazi? Yeah, I buy that ...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
madeline_con Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-05 07:18 PM
Response to Original message
4. How'd they get to be Arabs? n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
rooboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-05 07:22 PM
Response to Reply #4
6. Actually, the Nazis were very interested in their Aryan "roots"...
and conducted a number of expeditions to Tibet, whom they believed to be the genuine Aryan ancecstors. So involving themselves with arabs is not a far-fetched notion when you consider the bizarre theories that Himmler believed in.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
davidinalameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-05 07:21 PM
Response to Original message
5. didn't the Nazis have links to the Middle East during WW2
or am I just remembering this wrong

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
FlemingsGhost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-05 07:25 PM
Response to Reply #5
7. Yah ... they needed the oil.
Sounds familiar, no?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-05 08:40 PM
Response to Reply #7
21. Runs in the family
Edited on Tue Nov-15-05 08:41 PM by FreedomAngel82
Bush's grandfather was a Nazi and so was Karl Rove's dad (or grandfather?) and Arnie's dad was an SS. All that BS Arnie talked about at the RNC about the Nazi's his dad was involved in. When Karl Rove's family came here to America they changed their last name to "Rove". It was longer.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ck4829 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-05 07:26 PM
Response to Reply #5
8. The Far Right Jewish Terrorist Group, the Stern Gang had talked to Nazis
There's one link for you.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Hardrada Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-05 07:27 PM
Response to Original message
9. If you have an antisemitic philosophy like the Nazis
can you pick and choose which semites to hate? I don't get it.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
madeline_con Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-05 07:34 PM
Response to Reply #9
11. Apparently, you can. ;) n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-05 08:43 PM
Response to Reply #11
22. Whomever is a threat to you and your power
You can find some reason to hate them and get people behind him/her.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
rockymountaindem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-05 09:15 PM
Response to Reply #9
25. Yet another misuse of the term anti-Semitism
While Arabs and Jews are all Semites, the term anti-Semitism was coined in Germany during the 19th century to refer specifically to Jews. "Anti-Semitism" does not include Arabs.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
madeline_con Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-05 10:09 PM
Response to Reply #25
29. Soon, anti-Israeli comments wrongly got the same treatment. n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-05 07:32 PM
Response to Original message
10. Not really a surprise considering who they believe to be a common....
...enemy. Israel is the common enemy to all three of these groups, and by proxy, that includes the U. S.

If I recall correctly, the Muslim Brotherhood was a secret intelligence arm of the Nazis prior to, and during WWII.

By the way, we've supported, and probably had a strong hand in creating Al Qaeda given the long association of U. S. intelligence with the former WWII German military intelligence network (10,000 operatives in Eastern Europe and the Soviet Union) on the Eastern Front run by General Gehlen, as well as the association of the Busch Crime Family with the Nazi Party.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
PhilipShore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-05 08:08 PM
Response to Original message
13. Al Qaeda- direct descendants of the Nazis and the CIA
Program 532 is not on the archives yet. Nevertheless, the headline for the radio program says it all, "Al Qaeda- direct descendants of the Nazis."

I really hope most in the Democratic party-- and especially the liberal Democrats, would take these documented facts, by Loftus one of my most respected sources as being truthful and factual-- and use a practical strategy to counter the Republicans.

All the old Nazis are dying like flies and the Nazi gold that was stolen from the Jews is going into the secret Republican/Nazi offshore trust funds now as it was, at the end of World War 2, but now they are getting much more because the Nazis--hiding out in South America are dying.

My opinion of all this, is that it is a documented fact that the Republican controlled CIA, created, funded, and supported the AL- Qaeda terrorist organization, and that the psychological profile of them is that of a Nazi and a coward. (No liberals are CIA)

You will not read about it in history books, but the most powerful movement against the Nazis was the pacifists. It was not millions of people marching on the streets with politically hip-hop slogans, that most bothered the Nazis. It was the pacifists that bothered them, greatly. Just ordinary German (Pacifists) or any other citizen from other countries simply disagreeing with them, would literally make whole divisions of Nazis run way with their tail between their legs.

Why? Because, practically no one ever had the courage to disagree with them on a one to one basis.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
bananas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-05 08:30 PM
Response to Original message
15. I'm not sure how to tell you this...
but wfmu plays his shows a couple of weeks behind (as does kpfk).
Dave's main station is kfjc where they are broadcast first,
then they are archived at http://spitfirelist.com
and later broadcast and archived at wfmu.
http://kfjc.org has several high and low bandwidth streams.

Show 533 is alrady archived in real-audio and mp3 format,
his site can be a little confusing to navigate:
http://www.spitfirelist.com/RA
http://www.spitfirelist.com/mp3
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-05 08:35 PM
Response to Original message
17. I would not doubt it!!!
:argh:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Kansas Wyatt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-05 08:38 PM
Response to Original message
18. And what family had business ties to both?
:shrug:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-05 08:45 PM
Response to Reply #18
23. The Bush family
BCCI anyone?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-05 09:10 PM
Response to Original message
24. Links to the audio of this interview are here
The end of side two is the Al Qaeda/Nazi link discussion

Side one (mp3 format)

http://www.spitfirelist.com/mp3/F_532a.mp3

Side two

http://www.spitfirelist.com/mp3/F_532b.mp3

-------------------


Side one (realaudio format)

http://www.spitfirelist.com/RA/F-532a.rm

Side two

http://www.spitfirelist.com/RA/F-532b.rm



Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Monkey see Monkey Do Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-05 09:35 PM
Response to Original message
26. google al-Banna & Nazi for more (with the obvious internet caveat)
Edited on Tue Nov-15-05 09:46 PM by Monkey see Monkey Do
(Also Grand Mufti + Nazi; and CIA + MB for fun)

Sayyid Qutb is the key guy for today's al-Qaeda, linking them to the MB (particularly with Zawahiri). The modern muslim brotherhood in Egypt is non-violent (although you still have Hamas).

Look up Achmed Huber (Kevin Coogan has written a couple of excellent articles about him) and David Myatt is interesting too.

+ Amin al-Husayni (the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Mufti_of_Jerusalem


(sorry this is chaotic, but I'm about to crash)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Monkey see Monkey Do Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-05 09:44 PM
Response to Reply #26
28. Asia Times: Islamism, fascism and terrorism
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
bananas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 11:24 AM
Response to Reply #26
30. President Cuckoo-bananas is related to Al-Bananas?
This is starting to sound like a cartoon.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-05 09:37 PM
Response to Original message
27. nazis?
about as pLuasibLe as their being the direct descendents of the assasins.. though that's a great fucking read, comparing the two.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Mon Apr 29th 2024, 03:45 PM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (Through 2005) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC