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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 04:51 PM
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Hadley and the Forged Niger Documents ---with pix->>>
Edited on Wed Nov-16-05 05:19 PM by Stephanie


US President George W. Bush's national security adviser, Stephen Hadley, defends the case for war in Iraq at a press conference amid charges that the White House warped intelligence on Saddam Hussein's suspected weapons programs(AFP/Paul J. Richards)

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/051111/photos_pl_afp/051110222654_tr2z5m2m_photo0



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http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/051106/photos_ts/2005_11_04t221857_450x382_us_latam_summit



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http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/051026/photos_ts/2005_10_25t163040_450x335_us_bush_leak



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http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/week_2005_10_23.php#006827

Nicolo Pollari is the head of Italian military intelligence, SISMI. The Repubblica article claims that over the course of 2002 Pollari -- knowing the documents were fakes -- made repeated attempts to get them into the DC information stream by going around the CIA, which discounted them as fakes. This was to satisfy the expressed needs of Bush administration officials who were searching for some information to validate their claims about an Iraqi nuclear program.

Remember, too, that Pollari attended the secret Rome meetings in late 2001 arranged by Michael Ledeen and attended by Manucher Ghorbanifar, Larry Franklin and Harold Rhode.

Pollari's efforts were apparently in concert with the man who is now the Italian ambassador to the United States. And, perhaps most explosively, Pollari apparently arranged a secret meeting with Stephen Hadley -- then deputy National Security Advisor, and now National Security Advisor -- to discuss the documents.

The alleged date was September 9th, 2002.

The context here is important. The source of endless suspicion about when the documents first surfaced has been the timing and how that related to what was then happening in Washington. They surfaced just after the White House and the CIA had had a roundhouse battle over whether the President could make the Niger accusation in a speech in Cincinnati, Ohio. The CIA eventually prevailed, at least winning that round. The documents surfaced in Italy a couple days later. And the president eventually succeeded in levelling the claim in his subsequent State of the Union address.

That White House-CIA argument was happening in late September 2002. The speech, if memory serves, was to be given on October 7th.

That puts the alleged Hadley-Pollari meeting only a week or so earlier.




*edit* More from Josh Marshall - the timeline of events:



http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/week_2005_10_30.php#006904

On September 9th, 2002, Hadley met with Pollari in Washington. According to the Italian daily La Repubblica Pollari was there to press the details of the Niger-uranium story. The NSC has now confirmed that the meeting took place but claims it was a brief meeting and that no one present remembers the yellowcake story coming up.

In other words, it's a quite hazy denial if it's even a denial at all.

Less than a month later Hadley and others at the NSC tried but failed to get the Niger story into President Bush's October 7th WMD speech in Cincinnati, Ohio.

Days later copies of the forgeries surfaced in Rome.

Three months later Hadley and the same colleagues at the NSC succeeded in getting the Niger story included in the president's 2003 State of the Union address.

In July, Hadley took personal responsibility for allowing the bogus claim to be included in the State of the Union address and apologized publicly to the president.


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im10ashus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 04:52 PM
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1. Rock on!
You are doing good work today, grasshopper! Kicked and nominated!
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 04:55 PM
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3. It's getting so INTERESTING!
And look at him - he's everywhere, like Zelig.
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im10ashus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 05:03 PM
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6. I know.
I have been SO busy today I can't keep up. Thanks for posting updates. :-)
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 04:55 PM
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2. The trap is finally closing in on these MoFos
and not a minute too soon.

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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 04:56 PM
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4. k & r
thank you
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 04:58 PM
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5. Why would Cheney replace Libby
Edited on Wed Nov-16-05 05:01 PM by Blue_In_AK
with Hadley, when Hadley was as deep into it as Libby was? I still think Cheney is the ultimate bad guy.

ed. ... Never mind, I was thinking of Hannah. It's so hard to keep these idiots straight.
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lala_rawraw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 05:11 PM
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7. Wow, great job
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 05:17 PM
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9. Search Josh Marshall's blog for more on Hadley, Larissa
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lala_rawraw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 07:21 PM
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12. Steph,
I have had my full of Mr. Hadley for one day, lol. What is that saying... "when you look into the face of the abyss..." or something?

I will check it out later. Again, great thing of art you made above there:)
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Wordie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 05:14 PM
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8. It's important also to note that the Italians MUST HAVE KNOWN the docs
were fakes because they CHANGED some of the info within them, and then provided transcripts to the U.S. with only the updated info. (They had to do this, because the forgeries were of such poor quality, and had so many GLARING mistakes, that for them to be believable the errors needed to be corrected. So this proves malice aforethought.

See the complimentary DU thread on this latest La Repubblica expose, here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=5376553&mesg_id=5376553
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 08:02 PM
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14. Berlusconi and Bush are Bosom Buddies
They both wish to be dictators.
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Wordie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 08:31 PM
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15. So true, Stephanie! (and they act as if they already are dictators!)
I keep trying to push that La Repubblica story (about the forged forgeries) because it CATCHES them in a lie (or at least it catches people within their respective governments, for whom they are responsible).

Do you think we will ever get to the bottom of all this? There are frequently new revelations (almost daily, it seems), but then you watch the network news, rather than cable, it's as if not much of this is really happening. ::sigh:: Part of it is that to keep track of it is hard; it really is pretty darn complicated. I have recently started to suggest that someone write a "Nigergate for Dummies" article, with just the most important points included! LOL (I'm reasonably smart, but some of this can get my head spinning!)

Of course, some of why it seems so confusing at times is that there is just so much corruption! Hard to keep up with it all! (That's why I'm happy to see you writing about the possible Hadley tie-in to all this. Let's all drum this home to the remaining Bush supporters.)
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spindrifter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 06:05 PM
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10. #3-- Harry P*tter and the unmistakeable case of head lice
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 06:12 PM
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11. Hadley said he "forgot" to tell Bush the Niger claims were bogus
How could he forget, when he was apparently so involved in the dissection of Wilson and his wife behind the scenes and knew enough that he could tip off Woodward?

Then, he repeated the uranium claims days after the SOTU in a Chicago Tribune op-ed.

This should force another explanation for why the Niger crap got in the speech in the first place. "I forgot" shouldn't fly anymore.
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 07:30 PM
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13. Why are there so many people with poor memories in the White House? n/t
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-17-05 01:57 AM
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17. Yeah, why do the people in the WH suffer memory loss MORE
than people who don't work at the WH?
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Wordie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 08:52 PM
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16. And someone passed on those forgeries ON PURPOSE, it wasn't just a
Edited on Wed Nov-16-05 08:54 PM by Wordie
mistake, nor was it just a case of an "economically-motivated forgery" because the translations that were passed around had been doctored, the errors in the original forgeries were corrected! So, someone did it deliberately, so the fact that the docs were forgeries wouldn't be discovered.

It was presumably the Italians - that's what the La Repubblica expose says - but then again you can never know with the guys on our end. They're the ones who needed the documents to help prove their case, so they must have been involved somehow.
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arewenotdemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-17-05 05:37 AM
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18. Physiognomy poll: Would you leave your child if that man was director
of the day-care?

I didn't think so.
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DemonFighterLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-17-05 06:30 AM
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19. drip comes to mind


Here the dipshit in chief looks bored to tears. The 2 schemers are casting bets as to how long before dubby requests a bathroom break.
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