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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 05:38 PM
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Leslie Blitzer: "This is important because the indictment of Libby....
says he was the FIRST to out Valerie Plame!"

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Uh, if three people are involved in a robbery in which a clerk is shot to death, are not all three punished? It doesn't matter who was "first" if several people leaked her name. Do the crime, do the time, neocons. It's one of your very favorite sayings!
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 05:40 PM
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1. Don't ya think Blitzer ...
... was much more effective when he was just one of Santa's reindeer?

Just wonderin' ...
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LSparkle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 05:41 PM
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2. LOL!
I agree with Jack Cafferty -- what does this Woodward "revelation" have to do with Libby's obstruction of justice?
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 05:41 PM
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3. No, no I don't.
He was out of sync with the others there, too. I remember the year he tried to land on the roof of the US Steel plant. Hot-cha-cha.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 05:41 PM
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4. Well, sounds like he was the first to tell Judith Miller.
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Marr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 05:41 PM
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5. You can always count on Blitzer to look for a
ray of sunshine for team Bush.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 05:42 PM
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6. The indictment does not
say that. Fitzgerald said it at the press conference.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 06:22 PM
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24. Further, Libby Wasn't Indicted For Outing Plame But Perjury. If He Lied
he lied and Woodward's McGuffin is meaningless
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kstewart33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 05:42 PM
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7. How absurd.
Libby is accused of perjury, making false statements and conspiracy. How do these charges have any thing to do with whether he was the first to leak or not?

Honestly, sometimes I think Blitzer is as thick as a tree. Have you ever heard him say anything insightful, beyond his script?

He's reciting Repub talking points.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 05:49 PM
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15. I heard the same thing on Hardball. Like Libby was off the hook now.
I bet that's not how Fitzgerald sees it.
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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 05:51 PM
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16. No, it's Libby and his lawyer's fantasy.
nt
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 05:55 PM
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20. If it rains in Washington DC tomorrow,
Libby's lawyers are going to say, "Perfect! This is in our favor!" Doesn't mean a thing.
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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 06:23 PM
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25. That means Libby didn't lie?
That means Libby didn't commit perjury or obstruct justice? What is Blitzer smoking? (And no, I don't want any.)
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 05:43 PM
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8. REMEMBER . . .IT'S THE LYING. He was indicted for being a LIAR.
As the republicans beat into the publics head that Libby was not indicted for the original crime but for some silly thing like perjury.
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Beaverhausen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 05:43 PM
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9. nevermind
Edited on Wed Nov-16-05 05:43 PM by Beaverhausen
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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 05:44 PM
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10. The whore just keeps a-whorin'
If Bush and Cheney fell off a cliff, whatsay the odds would be that Blitzer would turn up hanging from the edge with the bloody stump of Bush's dick in his mouth?

Even if his life depends on it, he just won't let go of that thing!
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 05:52 PM
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17. I just read about the bloody stump and spit my food out on my
keyboard laughing so hard. I had to shut the computer off and replace the keyboard. I'm still laughing hysterically over your statement.

Actually, this should become the descriptive mantra for all of the press whores when describing them here.

If Bush and Cheney fell off a cliff, what say the odds would be that (insert press whore name here) would turn up hanging from the edge with the bloody stump of Bush's dick in his mouth?
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writes2000 Donating Member (481 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 05:53 PM
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19. OMG, that imagery is just too much.
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Mountainman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 09:11 PM
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27. At least Cliton's blow job was the genuine article. For no other reason
Edited on Wed Nov-16-05 09:13 PM by Mountainman
than basic human sexual pleasure. Even if Monica was whoring for him it didn't hurt us none.
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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 05:45 PM
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11. I may be wrong, but I understood Fitz to
say that Libby claimed he first learned it from the reporters/journalists, but it was actually the other way around, that the reporters/journalists first heard it from Libby. That's doesn't say there weren't more rj's who heard it from someone, just what happened in Libby's case.
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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 05:47 PM
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12. They've all been LYING and so Fitz can't get to the absolute truth
of the underlying charge.

So he indicts them on the lies and obstructing. Fair enough.

Who lied first, who knew about Plame first, etc. is really ALL a GUESS by Fitz because all these assholes have been lying.

But really, it doesn't matter LEGALLY who lied or obstructed FIRST. Or who divulged Plame's covert status FIRST.

I hope they all end up in jail arguing with each other like 7 year olds.
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 05:48 PM
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13. I don't think he said that.
If that's the case, Libby would have been indicted for outing Ms. Plame.
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 05:48 PM
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14. see, if they play this right, it looks like Fitz missed a clue
and you know what they do to people who might have missed something--It's an opportunity to BASH!
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DemsUnited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 05:52 PM
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18. WRONG -- the indictment doesn't say anything of the sort.
It was Mr. Fitzgerald, in the press conference, who said that Libby was the first known person to leak to a reporter.

So now he's the second. He still committed 2 counts of perjury, 2 counts of false statements and 1 count obstruction of justice.
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skids Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 06:10 PM
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21. And even if it did...

...it doesn't matter who leaks first. There are situations where a leak could be made to an individual, and that individual just keeps it under his hat. If no harm has come to the covert operative because the secret is contained, and a second leak occurs, it's still a violation.

Remember, Plame was surprised by Novak's column. If she was surprised, it's even money that the CIA at large was too. Any authorized person who gave this information to an unauthorized person before everyone knew about it (thanks to Novak) is liable.
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 06:20 PM
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22. I thought the "outing" was irrelevant to Libby's charge...
...that it was the LYING about it. They can't deny that he lied.
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Frances Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 06:21 PM
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23. It seems to me that it's more likely that
Hadley and Libby conspired to leak the story, Hadley to Woodward and the Post & Libby to Judy and the New York Times.

My theory makes more sense than the idea that Libby is off the hook.
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 08:36 PM
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26. Known
As KO pointed out FitzG. said first KNOWN person. Libby's lawyers have omitted that k word.
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 09:19 PM
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28. More RWing parsing and the pundits...
parrot the Bullshit.
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