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Stevendsmith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 05:41 PM
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Chuck Hagel: An Opponent We Can Deal With
Seriously, imagine how much better this country would be if the Republican Party was, for lack of a better term, Hagelian. Sure, we’d disagree on almost everything, and we’d fight them tooth and nail. But at least they wouldn’t be a band of raving lunatics.


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davidinalameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 05:43 PM
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1. I trust Hagel as much as I trust McCain
both are out to benefit themselves

they could give a rat's ass what they have to do to get it done

we've seen McCain sell his soul to the Bushies and the RWers and it's just a matter of time before Hagel does as well if he thinks it could get him the White House
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 05:44 PM
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2. Ding Ding Ding--correct.
they are both following the polls, Bush bad---must seperate self from Bush policies.
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Stevendsmith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 05:45 PM
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3. Sigh.... I suppose you're right. (n/t)
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 05:47 PM
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4. Well, try listing the Vice President, Secretary of Defense, ...
... Secretary of State, Attorney General, National Security Advisor, Chief of Staff, and about 30-40 other key appointments and see if that "trust factor" is still so clear,
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...of J.Temperance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 05:48 PM
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5. I wouldn't trust Hagel and I'll tell you why
Edited on Wed Nov-16-05 05:50 PM by ...of J.Temperance
Yes he might come down on the right side OCCASIONALLY...BUT if you check Hagel's voting record he's a Right-Wing Republican who's pro-life and who votes in lockstep with 98% of what Junior wants. Oh and don't forget Hagel's association with a certain voting machine company...a company that delivered 80% of Nebraska to him in his election.

So I'd trust Hagel as much as I'd trust allowing a rattlesnake to sleep in my bed.

I also wouldn't support a split ticket eg. Clark/Hagel, Warner/Hagel. Because I'd be worried about our fellows back in they got into the WH on a split ticket.

On Edit: Spelling error.
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Stevendsmith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 05:53 PM
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10. The rattlesnake analogy has me laughing hard! Okay! I give! (n/t)
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...of J.Temperance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 06:19 PM
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13. I have to give credit to my Uncle Travis
I learnt it off of him. Uncle Travis has always said:

"I'd trust them as much as I'd trust letting a rattlesnake sleep in my bed."

:)
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 05:49 PM
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6. NOOOOOOOOOO!!!! Don't fall for it, don't look into the light. Please.
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Stevendsmith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 05:51 PM
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8. Hah! I'm just saying....
he doesn't seem to be an evil neo-con.

But, I suppose your right! He is a Rethug, after all.
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 05:52 PM
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9. the problem is you just can't trust any of them, you can't let your guard
down ever.
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Strawman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 05:51 PM
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7. It's better than *
Edited on Wed Nov-16-05 05:52 PM by Strawman
But that bar is not too high now is it? Politics aside, as long as the Repub is not a cognitively challenged religious kook, that opponent is an improvement in my eyes. Forget about "good." I'm way past expecting any of them to be objectively good. To be worse, they'd have to be an even more extreme religious kook because they probably couldn't be much dumber.
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acmejack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 05:57 PM
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11. One word: ES&S
"In 1992, investment banker Chuck Hagel, president of McCarthy & Co, became chairman of AIS. Hagel, who had been touted as a possible Senate candidate in 1993, was again on the list of likely GOP contenders heading into the 1996 contest. In January of 1995, while still chairman of ES&S, Hagel told the Omaha World-Herald that he would likely make a decision by mid-March of 1995. On March 15, according to a letter provided by Hagel's Senate staff, he resigned from the AIS board, noting that he intended to announce his candidacy. A few days later, he did just that.

A little less than eight months after steppind down as director of AIS, Hagel surprised national pundits and defied early polls by defeating Benjamin Nelson, the state's popular former governor. It was Hagel's first try for public office. Nebraska elections officials told The Hill that machines made by AIS probably tallied 85 percent of the votes cast in the 1996 vote, although Nelson never drew attention to the connection. Hagel won again in 2002, by a far healthier margin. That vote is still angrily disputed by Hagel's Democratic opponent, Charlie Matulka, who did try to make Hagel's ties to ES&S an issue in the race and who asked that state elections officials conduct a hand recount of the vote. That request was rebuffed, because Hagel's margin of victory was so large.

As might be expected, Hagel has been generously supported by his investment partners at McCarthy & Co. -- since he first ran, Hagel has received about $15,000 in campaign contributions from McCarthy & Co. executives. And Hagel still owns more than $1 million in stock in McCarthy & Co., which still owns a quarter of ES&S."

Mother Jones
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Joe for Clark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 06:09 PM
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12. I want Clark or Dean, I do
But in truth, I could vote Hagel on an independent ticket.

I could never trust Mccain - too many mixed messages.

But Hagel has to remember the costs of a war - dead kids faces - that is why I would trust him. Infantry guy.

Best thing that could happen for us is a split ticket - a Hagel and a Dean. Or visa versa. I doubt we last til 2008 at this point, however. I am hoping for an impeachment after next years elections, personally. That will do it.

J
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