Help! I've been freeped!

Yesterday, my freeper brother hit me with that tired meme: "Ever since Clinton, teens are turning to oral sex in droves."

Since he never just drops these things and lets them lie, I always get the opportunity to craft a deadly retort that mucks out any specific steaming pile once and for all. The obvious retort in this case is: "So. Nixon inspired a generation of common criminals?"

But there's an obvious problem here. Nixon was the precursor of a generation of common criminals. We're surrounded by corruption at every turn. The current Republican Congress is shockingly wicked, even for an institution that in the past has been defined by dishonesty and greed. Corporate fraud and corruption is so commonplace that it hardly merits mention anymore. Greed is a virtue and theft, at least by government and business, is rewarded. Aggressive "procurement" has replaced morality in engendering honor and respect.

Now, if you think about it, using the "bully pulpit" to promote good head is, in the long run, far more desirable than fostering a culture of greed and duplicity. But the facts do reinforce the Limbaugh Concept of moral guidance from the Oval Office.

I can't argue with the obvious facts. Am I beaten on this one?

and why is this a bad thing?

blame the media which is controlled by the right wing corporations.

sex has become highly exploited in mainstream media on television, in hip hop music. this has nothing to do with clinton getting a blowjob from monica, it has everything to do with the fact that the FCC doesnt regulate anything anymore. long gone are the days of sexual inuendos on tv that you truly had to be an "adult" to get or grasp. now it is right out there for anybody of any age to see and easily grasp the concept of.

These people are morons.

That's all your brother needs to hear.

oral sex before Clinton.

Then ask him this very important question . . . "If Republicans hadn't gone on a fishing expedition arising simply out of their hatred of Clinton rather than any legitimate cause, would his personal life have ever been known by anyone not directly involved in it?"

safe legal & rare, if I recall.

That's another question. Has there been some kind of survey?

Bryant
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Just because we read and hear more about this does not mean that it was not common before. And as others pointed, this means no pregnancy and no need for parental notification for birth control pills or abortion.

It's because abstinence is being advocated over common sense. Kids are having "unsex" as they believe oral sex to be. If it were all Clinton's fault, in addition oral sex they'd be wearing blue dresses and smoking cigars.

Your freeper brother is an idiot and doesn't deserve his share of the inheritance.

But the actual facts require consideration. It's so much harder than just parroting an idiot.

Like I said, sex is completely natural - contrary to what many rabid right-wing nutjobs would have us believe. And for teens to be practicing it should suprise no one.

Of course not, friend.

Grab that one by the ::::::ahem:::::::: throat and toss it back with the question:

"Teens have always enjoyed oral sex. They talk about it for hours."

Or:

"Why is this a problem, exactly? If it's oral, they're not getting pregnant, now are they?"

Or:

"Whassamatter, you forget what it was like to be a horny teen? I remember what you used to do with the Crisco, Bucko."

Any of those should make him pause at the very least.

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Who were in high school from the fifties through the seventies. The misconception that oral sex wasn't sex was just as popular then, if not moreso, than it is now. A woman's virginity was much more prized then than it is now, thus sexual relief was through oral and manual stimulation.

This is just another line of BS the Clinton bashers are spewing in leu of real facts.

yes when i was a teen and abortion was illegal..what did he think we used for "prevention??"

he needs a time capsule..to the back seat of cars in the 50's and 60's !

what is this dip stick delusional??

tell him bring forth the polls on oral sex before abortion was illegal...and do remember..we were the baby boomers..there was a whole lot of us ..in the back seats of cars..scared shitless of getting pregnant..and having to go into a back alley...or old warehouse for birth control!!

we were very inventive!!

wow ...give that guy a shot of booze and tell him he needs to get a life!!

then ask him if he is jealous??!! or if he has envy syndrome...

fly

Yes.

You just wouldn't believe.

I knew girls in high school who were determined to go to their marriage beds with their hymens intact, but who were nonetheless happy to give BJs to their boyfriends. It just didn't count as "real" sex to them unless there was full penetration (yeah, I know that's stupid, but people are good at fooling themselves). Maybe it's a southern thing, I don't know.

I sure wish someone had sat Ken Starr down and explained this to him.

It was all over the Midwest back when I was in high school back in the seventies, and from talking with lots of people I've gathered that such attitudes were pretty common nationwide.

This is just another generation carrying on more of the same ol' same ol', they're just more open about it now.

we were supposed to be pure as the driven snow when we married.....sooooo many used alternative means..and i agree none of us considered it sex!!

fly

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That is an asinine statement that denies the FACT that teens have experimented with sex throughout history. There never was an "innocent age" when teens wouldn't explore their sexuality-hormones see to that. Ask him if he's jealous because he didn't get any when he was their age.

I don't think most kids today know too much about Clinton and those who do are the progeny of rabid dittoheads who are still upset about consensual oral sex.

.....So maybe it's THOSE kids who are doing it :shrug:

AIDS, teen pregnancy and STD education had more to with this. Teens just don't consider oral sex to be sex, not because Clinton claimed this, but because it does not involve traditional intercourse, and cannot cause pregnancy.

:shrug:

I mean come on...I doubt teenagers are saying, "Well if it's good enough of Bill then it's good enough for me!"

I think the number of teens who would site President Bill Clinton as a behavioral influence regarding oral sex is infinitely small. That's such a rediculous point that it's hardly worth arguing and he's obviously just said it to get your goat, provoke a rise, etc.

You could turn it around and say, "Well teens are becoming pain killer addicts in droves because of Rush Limbaugh." It's an equally stupid arguement.

I still like what Randi Rhodes said: Hey Clinton made love, not war.

I sympathize with you, though. I have a Rethug brother who loves to take a cheap, often stupid and flimsy, swipes at the Dems just to see if he can get a response from me.

Rush "Delusion Master" Limpballs.

That's his one and only source. Maybe Hannity on occasions.

Nickelodean giving the subject a lot of coverage, but I do remember Barney and Thomas the tank engine were pretty big. You know my kids are teens now. I sure hope they don't become lying murderers since they are under the Bush influence.

why are you complaining about oral sex? No preganacies. Less chance of an STD. No money on condoms. Generally less mess to clean up. Not out commiting crimes. not watching TV.

...so what's the problem again?

But then, practice makes perfect.

institution of Abstinence Only education:
Advocates for Youth contracted with an independent statistician to analyze data, recently released by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), about sexual behavior among high school students from 1991 to 2003. Advocates' report on the analysis of the Youth Risk Behavior Surveys (YRBS), Trends in Sexual Risk Behaviors among High School Students—United States, 1991 to 1997 and 1999 to 2003, found that the much-touted improvements in adolescent sexual risk-taking behavior actually took place from 1991 to 1997. These improvements did not continue into the time period between 1999 and 2003—which corresponds to the first years of the abstinence-only initiative.

http://www.advocatesforyouth.org/abonlyreports.htm

an excellent book called "Generation S.L.U.T." It's a far better examiniation of teen sexual mores than anything Phlush Phlegmball or James Dobson could ever offer. What's more, a teen wrote the book.

I checked it on Amazon and put it on my wish list. Will be ordering later in the week and I'll add it. The reviews, etc. reminded me of many things my own teens (youngest just turned twenty) told me. I'm looking forward to reading it.

And I don't know about your brother, but my small child didn't know what a blow job was.

That is just the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Tell your bro that the oral sex thing is a combo of the entertainment industry pressure, fear of STDS (even tho they don't realize they can still get them), and a lame ass attempt to circumvent the abstinence only education that's been forced on them.

15 year olds he thinks pay attention to ANYTHING the White House does. Ask him what MOST 15 year olds are thinking about.

The number of teens who have tried sex has gone up. The number of teens who have tried oral sex has gone up a little more. (A few points difference.) Howler's point was that you really couldn't tell from the survey how many were doing oral exclusively. Sorry, I couldn't find it on the Howler site.

I'm pretty sure this is what you were looking for:

http://www.dailyhowler.com/dh091605.shtml

But now I'm REALLY confused...I thought THIS was a Howler:



(okay, I admit it. I'm a closet Harry Potter fan. Not that there's anything wrong with that...)

He's so afraid of looking the fool around Hermione. Maybe she can find a BJ spell to work in him.:evilgrin:

If you were a teenage boy who shared his girlfriend's lipstick, you'd be embarrassed too.

I don't remember that episode.:shrug:

They have always made Ron up with intensely-colored lips.

I don't think it's a trait of all wizards-in-training; Harry's lips look normal.

Not because of Clinton!

It's the ridiculous "Abstinence is the only way" stance the rw has taken.
These kids don't consider oral sex to be sex, not because of Clinton, but because they are being taught that the passage of disease comes from intercourse.


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to keep a close watch on him when he's with his girlfriend because blow jobs ARE the fad. 12, 13, 14 year olds!:scared: Was I even thinking about sex at age 12? I don't think so. Times have certainly changed, but I don't think it's Clinton's fault. I do believe this was going on with kids BEFORE the Monica incident.

I guess your brother is saying that they waited five years for that magical moment when they turned 13 to imitate a president they can barely remember.

What a dimwit.

The people who brought us the flying spagheti monster also showed a correlation between the number of pirates in the world and global warming.

A correlation doesn't have anything to do with a connection.

Ask him if he's just mimicking Rush, or if he knows teens are tunring to oral sex from his own personal experience.

And then tell him something true. America got 5 million new drinkers age 12 and up after * became president--in his first year in office alone. Teens do model their president.

http://store.health.org/catalog/facts.aspx?topic=3



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(which I question..... I am 29 years old and kids were no angels back in my day) it is ridiculous to say that Clinton was an influence on them. I'm sorry but kids that age who are preoccupied with blow jobs and seven minutes in heaven are not really following the news and probably think very little about the President. If there is a difference between the way kids act now as opposed to in recent history (which again I question) a thinking person who really got inside the head of a teenager wouldn't say that "they just wanted to be like the President". No! They probably wanted to be "a slave for you" like Britney Spears, or thought that the way of getting men's attention was acting like Paris Hilton (this along with all of the mixed messages of abstinence only). Get real, 4 year olds say "I want ot be the Presidents of the United States of America" while the 11-late teen crowd wants to be grow up to be famous and beautiful (not all, but many). Hell, I can even say I went through my fazes trying to be cool (thank God Paris Hilton wasn't around back then!). Politicians are giving themselves waaaaayyyyyyy too much credit if they think teens (for the most part) care about what they are doing (kids live in their own world)

I think the trend toward more XXX heavy petting was written about long before Clinton, the80's, possibly early 80's. Why do I remember stuff like that but not the dates? Anyway it was the usual TimeLife trend report periodically about sex in the nation combined with youth today so it was a twofer. Has to be in the Time archives somewhere.

I think it was likely the other way around with middle-aged Clinton being influenced by Monica and internet stuff. The difference between human behavior now and then is what we is allowed to be printed in the sensationalist press that usually breaks through(gladly) in the guise of civic responsibility and good journalism. The whole mindset behind what your friend thinks of as pre-Clinton sexual innocence is so funny it is dangerous to one's health.

It is the RW that decided to publicly hawk sex as a political tool in this matter, no matter what, no matter their own hypocrisy which can be obtained from DU lists of indictments for GOP pedophiles, etc. Most people turned their resentment against people offending their children's sensitivities on the airways to the media and the GOP- which it doesn't take too much to see is what is bothering your friend when you add up all the public reactions he is talking about. That was the year the GOP in fact gave up on weaning the "moral majority" based on hypocritical sex rants and fell back to abortion and euthanasia- unsuccessfully too. But then they are the ones that cynically(judging by their own personal sex behavior) risked gambling away(Bennett anyone?) those issues simply to win rage points.

In most other countries in the world people are already married by the time they're 13 or 14 so that's why they don't have to deal with stupid issues like this. If we would allow our teens to marry and become adults quicker we could educate them much quicker and help re-arrange a lot of the problems that marrying later causes.

In what modern countries do people get married at 13 or 14?

Many in Europe have ages of consent at 10 or 11. Besides, their teens are better educated in safe sex techniques and condom use. They don't think there's anything evil about sex so they practice it the right way. And besides, look at the fastest growing economies in the world - they all have young populations. Look at the fastest dying economies in the world - they all have low younger populations and high elderly populations.

Besides, it's my understanding that Japan and South Korea, the only 2 modernized nations in Asia, have low ages of consent.

Europe and Japan have implemented these lower marriage ages and ages of consent I think as an incentive for younger people to get married younger and to have more children to support the ever-growing middle-aged/senior citizen dependents.

Mostly living in Italy and England. While sexual content isn't as taboo as it is here (there is nudity in soap commercials and bare breasted women on the beach in Italy) I have never met anyone who was married as a young teen (in fact they seem to marry older than in some parts of this country). I don't think that sex is talked about as the forbidden fruit as it is here in America, but in my experience I haven't seen that lead to earlier marriage or earlier sex (and much less emphasis is put on something that isn't deemed the forbidden fruit). Not that they are virginal in any way in Europe (they go through what many late teenagers go through)

not Big Dog's indiscretion. If it was really Big Dog's fault, wouldn't we be seeing an inexplicable up-tick in cigar sales, too?

to back up his claim?

YOu could always reply: "You say that like it's a bad thing."

I was a teenager in the 60s. "69" was quite popular back then.

Mz Pip
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how? Before rebutting any idiocy, ask for proof of the allegation.

the actions or behavior.

started the pledge of virginity BS both oral and anal sex has gone up as well as aids and other std's among teens. The only thing that the RW's virginity pledges decreased were vaginal intercourse. Seems the teens found a loop hole that the RW never thought of, they could still have sex and be virgins at the same time.

Besides just being an extememly ignorant arguement for the rise in oral sex.....most teenagers vaguely remember Clinton. They were too young when he was in office. Teens have been giving and getting oral sex for generations! And if they're participating in oral sex instead of intercourse I say YAY! Maybe a few less unwanted children and STD's floating around!

Good grief!

I wish they were doing that when I was a teenager. WOW!!!!!!!!!!

:eyes:

Meanwhile, teens, children, adults, Americans, and Iraqis are being killed in droves in Iraq thanks to this moran's Fearless Leader.