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Clete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-03 03:08 PM
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Was the Los Angeles Times unfairly trying to ruin Schwarzegger?
Is Arnold Schwarzenegger a man behaving badly, *wink*, *wink* or a sexual predator, who should be pressed with charges of sexual assault and battery?

There is a scene in the third part of the first Star Wars where a slug-like creature, called Jabba the Hut has taken Princess Leia, played by actress Carrie Fisher, as his slave. She is dressed in a harem outfit and has a thick collar around her neck with a leash. She has to lie at what would be his feet, like an obedient dog.

This scene came to my mind, when Arnold Schwarzenegger’s brief campaign for Governor of California began. By then, rumors about his sexual groping and worse had appeared on various internet bulletin boards and blogs with links to print publications that had reported his sexual romps over the years. When the rumors were investigated and reported by the Los Angeles Times and other publications, he apologized. He announced that he may have done so, but he meant nothing by it. Jabba the Hut speaks in a guttural language. Arnold speaks with a guttural accent on television.

“I vas bein’ playful,” he said.

Yet, the women he has savaged are every much the sex object playthings as the princess Jabba the Hut had on a leash dressed in a harem outfit. Until Luke Skywalker appears to save her and Hans Solo, Princess Leia was helpless to do anything about her situation. Jabba and Arnold are physically overpowering. Jabba, the Lord of his realm, can do as he wishes. Arnold, the star on the movie set can do what he likes too. He and Jabba can abuse the power they have with not a thought to whom they are bullying or hurting in the moment of being “playful”. The women he molested over the years on the set had an invisible leash on them every much as Princess Leia did.

On the October 14, 2003, in Los Angeles Times “Letters to the Times”, comments from some of the readers were critical the Time’s articles reporting the feel-em-up assaults on women who had come forward about Arnold’s sexual assault and battery on their bodies without their consent. Arnold said he was being playful, because isn’t that what you to with playthings and those powerless to fight back without life changing repercussions? So one these women readers said she voted for Arnold because the Times exposed his behavior and she thought it wasn’t true and that was meant to make him look bad. The women should have pressed charges she said when it happened.

Anyone with an IQ above a moron knows how far this would have gone with law enforcement especially against a prominent and wealthy member of the movie establishment who has deep pockets for sharp lawyers and political connections to the Kennedy family. Movie jobs pay very well, are very hard to get established in and one can be blackballed from ever working again if you rub a powerful movie star, director or producer the wrong way. So the women in these cases took their lumps and remained silent, but when the reporters contacted them and they learned they weren’t alone in this, others came forward as well.

Another reader said, if the stories were out there over the years, why didn’t the Times publish those stories then. Years ago Arnold was not running for Governor. He was merely a movie star and movie stars can create sleazy gossip and be sleazy and still be well rewarded by their fans. However, when the man runs for a public office like Governor, the voters demand to know or should demand to know about his CHARACTER and the Times had the duty to report on these rumors. They did careful research and verified the rumors before printing them following accepted journalistic practices. The fact that he announced his candidacy only weeks before the election, and in venues that were not news but entertainment, shows that he was trying to avoid the media scrutiny of a longer campaign.

Some of the men of course say that no one cares. I hope they speak for themselves because women who have been victims of sexual predators certainly do care and don’t think that Governors and other elected officials should be under suspicion as possible felons. Would those same men feel the same if Arnold were gay and had committed sexual assault on the male workers of his movies sets?

I imagine that every woman who has ever been subjected to sexual humiliation by lewd and vulgar men, but particularly those who have been humiliated by Governor elect, Arnold Schwarzenegger, will think of the image of Jabba the Hut, muttering harsh guttural words every time they have to see him on television making a political speech or speaking at a news conference. They will feel the invisible collar around their neck and feeling of helplessness and dirtiness every time they have to relive those moments in the past while they must endure their abuser’s presence in their lives.

I thank the Los Angeles Times for having the courage to expose this man, who will be Governor of the State of California. Law enforcement agencies in Southern California have a duty to be those women's Luke Skywalker and have the courage to investigate these allegations now that they are out in the open. No alleged criminal should get a free pass just because he is famous. We demand that our elected officials answer these charges before they are allowed to govern us. Remember the Governor has the power to commute sentences or pardon condemned prisoners. If he doesn’t have the moral clarity to distinguish between sexual predatory behavior and consensual sex, should he be allowed to govern?





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soleft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-03 03:15 PM
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1. someone pointed out this came out last minute in the campaign
But it was only a 9 week campaign.

They reported the truth. And it was ugly, but sometines denial is a cloak that fits far too easily.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-03 03:15 PM
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2. not unfairly
Arnold is a certified disgusting piece of shit who has a history of abusing and humiliating women.
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JustJoe Donating Member (535 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-03 03:17 PM
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3. LA Times Editor Explains How the Story came to be...
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Abe Linkman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-03 03:22 PM
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4. Is it unfair to ask that kind of question?
Sort of like asking: "Is it unfair to raise questions about whether bush won the election in 2000?". Or: "Is the press being unfair to President Bush when it prints articles questioning the war?"
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Clete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-03 09:43 PM
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14. I just thought the LA Times did its duty and exercised its
perogative as a free press, which is not supposed to give demagogues a free pass, should. Yet, they have even been accused of yellow journalism for this. My, my, well researched and documented articles are considered yellow journalism, yet Fox News just keeps going and going and going.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-03 03:29 PM
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5. he's a predatory molester, if charges are true
the charges should be investigated.

Meanwhile, I hope every female Kelifawnyun who thought it was okay for Ahnullt to fondle breasts, squeeze buttocks, and to make unwelcomed lewd suggestions whenever the mood struck him will find herself the victim of the same kind of harassment. I wish for every male who laughed off the charges or dismissed them as dirty politics will find his wife, mother, or daughters confronted with Ahnnult-esque "playfulness."
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-03 03:29 PM
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6. Clete, My question is.........
they apparently have nothing more recent than the year 2000 on him.Sexual battery has ,I think, 1 year statute of limitations. Can anything serious be done?
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Clete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-03 03:32 PM
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7. Perhaps they should be looking for more recent incidents?
Also, there are rumors of statutory rape, which could have a longer statute of limitations, but the law is going to have to go out and investigate not just news papers. How did they get all those priests on child molestation charges? Surely, they have something they can do now that this man's fitness to govern is really under question?
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-03 03:44 PM
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8. any felony is sure to have a longer statute
rape tho, has a fairly short limit , I believe, statutory, I have no Idea. But, yes, theyshould be lookingfor more recent incidents. The talk show host in UK is talking about a slander? suit for denying that he mashed her.I guess that, in effect, calls her a liar
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CBHagman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-03 03:51 PM
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9. I was struck by the fact that Lawrence O'Donnell ...
...in an appearance on "The McLaughlin Group," said that the few stories that became public were only the tip of the iceberg and that crews from movie sets had a surprising amount of dirt on Schwarzenegger.

Normally I would dismiss comments like that, but O'Donnell does live and work in Hollywood (he's a producer, among other things) and sounded dead serious about the whole matter.
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DBoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-03 03:58 PM
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10. I'm heard similar things from people associated with the film biz
This has been known a long time. It is hardly a secret. His celebrity status has protected him so far.
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Clete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-03 04:01 PM
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12. Yes, but he is no longer a sleazy bad actor.
He is to be Governor of our State and needs to be investigated.
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Clete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-03 04:00 PM
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11. I too lived in the realm of the mythical "hollywood".
I didn't work on the sets, but I was bartender to the crews and I heard a lot of scuttlebutt about a lot of the glitterati. Most of it was in the nature of tabloid fodder though.
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Clete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-03 05:22 PM
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13. Shameless bump for the left coast.
:kick: In the light of what Colorado is doing to the victim in the Kobe Bryant rape case, I think Arnold should really run for Governor of their state. He would fit in much better with the sexist misogynists, who are apparently running things there.
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