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samplegirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-17-05 10:52 PM
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McCain said tonight we as Americans are confused
Americans are not confused they are clear, quite
clear that they've been lied to.
To make every American look like they lack mental
clairty is like making himself look like a
swifboater.
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RagingInMiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-17-05 10:54 PM
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1. He's the one that's confused
He doesn't know whether to be a fake bush crony or an honest bush basher.
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ananda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-17-05 10:54 PM
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2. Well,
Actually, I'm not confused either. Never was.

Also, I don't think Americans who are now changing their minds were ever really confused but rather misinformed, misled, and willing to believe what they were told..

.. but not any more.

McCain is obfuscating. Reeps are prolly unwilling to admit that any misinformation and bad thinking on the part of the public is the fault of BushInc. and the complicit media.

Sue
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Greenpeach Donating Member (375 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-17-05 10:55 PM
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3. I don't know where all the reverence
for McCain comes from. He doesn't know where the hell he stands. talk about "confused!"
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-17-05 10:57 PM
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6. He's on the cover of this week's Newsweek chewing out the administration
for their stand on torture, and yet he got into bed with these people, the people who trashed him in SC in 2000. What the hell does he expect from these people? HE is the one confused.
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-17-05 11:05 PM
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10. Agree. W used every dirty trick in the book against McCain
and then McCain turned around and endorsed him. W and friends went after McCain's wife, family, and anything else they could throw in.

I lost all respect for McCain at that time.
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-17-05 11:11 PM
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12. Article against torture in Newsweek, now but I remember his Time article
in 2002 saying we just HAD to go to war in Iraq.

He's right about torture, but he doesn't have much credibility. I think MOST Americans are not aware of that, though, and so he is a serious possibility for 2008.
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abluelady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-17-05 11:27 PM
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15. Me too!
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samplegirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-17-05 11:15 PM
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13. the voice of
yet another warhawk makes me sick.
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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-17-05 10:55 PM
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4. CONFUSED is not a good word for McCain to be using.
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Maggie_May Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-17-05 10:56 PM
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5. No McCain
You got it wrong you Republicans our the ones that are confused. We have went to war on a lie now Bring our Troops Home. Its pretty simple
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LiviaOlivia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-17-05 10:57 PM
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7. Agreed, McCain is wrong.
We need to get out of Iraq. It's the patriotic thing to do.
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-17-05 10:58 PM
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8. He IS a swiftboater. He has supported every traitorous, murderous
anti-American thing Bush has done.
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marylanddem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-17-05 11:02 PM
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9. McCain lost all claim to credibility when he hugged Bush.

nt
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samplegirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-17-05 11:17 PM
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14. agreed
enough said.
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Lost-in-FL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-17-05 11:10 PM
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11. And I say he's full of shit...
What? He now wants to be a Republican? He is the one that is confused... give me an F'n break... :thumbsdown: :banghead: :rant:
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necso Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-17-05 11:31 PM
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16. It's like this,
at every point leading up to the invasion, there were contrary viewpoints and contradictory indicators (data points) to be (readily) "seen", even if one was only slightly so inclined. -- And there were also questions about the character and reliability of some of the human "sources" used for pre-war "intel".

Moreover, I'm confident that the President heard some contrary opinions, at least as regards the invasion itself. And the actual invasion is the crux of the matter, because ridiculous (but potentially dangerous) claims have little weight or impact if one does not build upon them.

And, come on now, we know the character of this person. He is a person that does not like to hear contrary opinions, or to see contrary data. He likes toadies.

So maybe he can somewhat plausibly claim that he was particularly ill-served by those toadies on this occasion.

But the system is his, the toadies are his, the office is his, and the responsibility is his -- the responsibility to make sure that he is getting all the information that he needs (regardless of what he wants), and the responsibility to listen to -- and to genuinely consider -- contrary points of view.
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Blue_Roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-17-05 11:33 PM
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17. McCain is the fingernail of life, and
the world is his chalkboard.:spank:
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Zinfandel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-17-05 11:35 PM
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18. Not a fucking chance, clear as the skys here...Fucker trying to confuse!
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global1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-17-05 11:37 PM
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19. McCain Is An Ass.....
he's no better than what we now have in the WH.

Anyone who lets himself be pushed around like he was by those guys (*Co) and still sticks up for them has no business thinking we as Americans will think he's a leader that should have that job. He shouldn't consider running for president - because we 'confused' Americans have his number.

What we need now is for those Repugs that really love this country to do the right thing and push to remove this current administration and bring sanity back to this country. They need to meet with * and tell him the jig is up. They need to tell him to resign for the good of the party - cause that is also what is good for this country. They need to do the same to Cheney.

If they're lucky Fitz will do-in Cheney (ala Agnew) and * will be the only one they'll have to deal with.

If * refuses to resign - they need to tell him they will vote for impeachment. They need to do this soon to have a chance at retaining the House and Senate in '06 and the WH in '08. If they don't act soon - they will lose it all - and those same rules that this admin and Repug controlled congress have put into place to give them the current power block they have - the Dems will turn it around and use it on them and lock them out for who knows how long.

If they are successful in either getting * to resign or if they impeach him - they need to get someone in the WH that will end this national nightmare that we've been living since the selection of '00.

I still believe this government was overturned (coup d'etat) in '00. I believe all that is happening is a plan the Neocons put in place during the Clinton years to do exactly what they have been doing since they returned to office in '00.

PNAC was their master plan. The new Pearl Harbor was 911. Yes - I said MIHOP. I don't believe in coincidences - there have just been too many things happening for their plan to fall into place to think they all happened by chance.

The Repugs better rid us of *Co soon - before more layers of the onion are peeled back and we discover that 911 wasn't a foreign terrorist act.

Look people - everything that we've been saying here since this all started in '00 - is turning out to be true. We've been right all along.
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samplegirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-17-05 11:43 PM
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20. well said
kick!
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